FB: American Southwest Conference

[sthrncwby]

I agree with minni.

[roocru]

I agree to drop the issue.  However, I do want to make a different point clear to sthrncwby.  I did play four years of college ball at AC.  I then spent  twenty years as a high school coach, both as an assistant and as a head coach.  The last fourteen years I have served as an athletic director for two school districts.  One with a large 5A high school(3600 students) and three middle schools.  My current district has five high schools and twelve middle schools.   I believe I do understand what all goes into preparing for a football game.  I just wanted to let you know I am not a novice. 

[Ralph Turner]

UT-Permian Basin is exploring D2 and D3 NCAA status.  They are currently NAIA-1 in the Red River Conference.

Natural rivalries in the D2 Lone Star Conference would be Eastern New Mexico, Angelo State, Abilene Christian and West Texas State.  Even Midwestern State is only 5 hours away.

Does the ASC-West wish to add another program, a state program at that, in this part of the country?  When does UT-PB add football?  That would create great disparity and erode the West Texas base for SRSU, McM, HSU and HPU even more.

http://www2.ncaa.org/media_and_events/association_news/ncaa_news_online/2005/09_26_05/association_wide/4220n11.html

[Josh Bowerman]

If anyone cares, my vote is a resounding "HELL NO"!!!!!!   8)

[Toby Taff]

Did you say erode HSU's talent base?!?

Let me think . . . . . . . . . . .

NO!

(and yes, I was yelling that.

[sthrncwby]

I think it would be a great thing for west texas to have another school to choose.  It would be rough for them at the beggining, but look at UMHB.  They did ok.
Roo
No one called you a novice.  I respect your position as a director of athletics and probably will never understand the demands of that kind of job.

[sthrncwby]

UTPB wouldn't erode the HSU talent base.  Young men come to HSU for a reason.  They dont have it at UTPB.  Not many do.

[Josh Bowerman]

I think the issue is more philosophical than that, Tim.  State schools competing against private schools in the same environment creates an inheirently unfair situation.  Look at last year's ASC baseball results for further proof.

Just MHO, here, but I still think that DII was created specifically for the UT-PB's of the world.  There are just too many institutional differences between publics and privates for them to coexist peacefully on a regular basis when it comes to athletics.

[sthrncwby]

I know many athletes at HSU that left bigger programs (d2 d1) to come play at HSU.  I beleive HSU attracts hard workers. 

[Josh Bowerman]

Agreed--just remember this ins't a football-only issue. 

[Toby Taff]

Agreed--just remember this ins't a football-only issue.

Josh,

You mean there is something outside of football

Really

[roocru]

This same issue of publics vs. privates is currently being debated on the NWC site with the shutting down of the Lewis & Clark program.  Apparently the presidents of the current NWC schools are against adding state schools there even if it hurts their AQ status.  Might be a good idea to keep up with that discussion as well !

[Bill McCabe]

There is a huge issue of tuition.  I know the private schools lose players every year because of financial reasons.  The cost at a state school is much less.  Being in far west Texas hurts Sul Ross and might to the same for UTPB.  However, UT Tyler is in a talent rich environment.

[Ron Boerger]

There is a huge issue of tuition.  I know the private schools lose players every year because of financial reasons.  The cost at a state school is much less.  Being in far west Texas hurts Sul Ross and might to the same for UTPB.  However, UT Tyler is in a talent rich environment.

The CNU effect ... which doesn't seem to be working as well this year.   

It is funny, though, that for all their advantages (and I agree that public schools have a huge $$ advantage), we haven't seen a public school win the Stagg Bowl since 1995, and only twice since the Stagg came about in 1973.  And if you look at the schools that do well in the NACDA directors' cup, only 3 of the top 20 were state schools (UWSP [5], UWLaX [7], Cortland State [13]).   

[Pat Coleman]

That's actually lower than average. About 25% of Division III schools are state schools.