FB: American Southwest Conference

[crualum04]

I find it funy that some people on this bord put so mutch emfasis on speling and gramer.  I thought this was a board discussing football in the ASC, not english classes in the ASC.  From what I hear the atmosphere at UMHB is  good. The coaches made some moves to try to the get the best players on the field. Hopefully it will work out. I think UMHB wins big this weekend. GO CRU!!!

[Josh Bowerman]

Exactly the reason the coach resigned, I'm sure Warren.

I respect you a bunch, man, but by-and-large, 80% of this country (geographically removing the northeast and the west coast) sees nothing wrong with the practice of public prayer at event gatherings. 

Plus, Muslims and Jews pray to the same monotheistic diety that Christians do.  That diety might be called a different name and the specific religion might require somewhat different tenents (sp?), but it's the same big "G" God at the end of the day.

Our nation and world would be a whole lot better off if people would realize that.

Back to football....

[dsc]

About the coach and prayers...in public, not private schools.

I wasn't going to say anything, but that is NOT my nature and the questions are interesting as well as the situation.

I offer these comments without knowing the whole story, only what has been reported so far.

But, sooner or later...we'll all realize that when we pray it is to the same God, for there is only ONE!  (When my Muslim friends say, "Allah"...to me, I hear "God.")

What is usually the first thing that happens when a player is seriously injured on the field?  Ans:  We pray and ask others to pray!  If prayers are not allowed before the game, then we should NOT be seeking God's favor when there is a real serious injury, and the player has a broken neck...and on his way to the hospital.   Just my opinion...

Have a great day and let the games begin!

[baddog]

Warren -- Good questions. I'll bet that, a prayer before a public H.S. football game in Abilene and over a PA system that began with invoking Allah, would result in a lynching.
Another question my pastor has brought up on this issue -- Didn't Jesus, when teaching His disciples about prayer, tell them to not pray "on the street corner to be seen", but go into their room?
Another point my pastor made is that no one can ever keep you from praying -- except you.
And as long as there is 3rd and long, there will be prayers at football games.

[dsc]

Excellent points, baddog!

Maybe silent prayer could be some kind of compromise!

But, I'm also thinking of "When in Rome, do as the Romans do..." and as was pointed out 80% or so would probably favor some form of "public" prayer.

I wonder if we could say "God" or "Jehovah God" in Baghdad or Riyad...or Mecca...and not be lynched, or beheaded!

My young ones say a prayer before tests in school! 

...and add "foxholes" to places where prayers are uttered!

It just seems a little hypocritical to ask for help "after" an event, but not "before."

Thanks for your appreciated comments.

[tripled14]

Good luck to all teams this weekend

[Warren Thompson]

My point: I'm more than slightly uncomfortable with the formal, public linkage of religion -- any religion -- and athletic competition.

[HSUpt]

To my knowledge, it's not up to us what God is or isn't "linked" to.  That' one of an infinite number of things that makes God who He is.  You can't expect people who are passionate about a belief to not infuse it into everything they do.  You can't pick and choose what part of your life you allow God into.

[Warren Thompson]

HSUpt:

You missed my point, I think. What "passionate" believers do privately is one thing. They can "infuse" as much as they want. It's the public linkage that makes me squirm, especially when this takes place in a public school or college setting. Private schools and colleges can assay whatever the traffic will bear.

[Tiger_Eye]

Dear God,

Please let the Tigers finally get a win against HSU this weekend.

                                                                          AMEN

p.s. Another one in Belton wouldn't hurt either. Thanks.

[Josh Bowerman]

LOL, Tiger Eye.  Had to boost your karma one for the last post.

[Toby Taff]

I must say as a father, seminary student, ordained minster... I am opposed to public prayer in a generalized setting.  I moved back to texas from Utah to finish school, and here I agree with most religious contexts, but in Utah that's not the case, and they don't really beilieve in the separation of church and state.  I don't want people of another faith leading my kids in any religious activity in a generalized public setting, that's my job (or my wifes).  Now in a setting that is specifically religious (i.e. camp, Christian University, any other faith based organization) that I voluntarily send my child to or go to, that's different, and if I'm offended it's my own fault.

Just my two cents

[Josh Bowerman]

My daughter is currently enrolled in public school, where the same type of standard described in the article is in place.  Prior to that, she was enrolled in a private, non-sectarian nursery school that chose to employ the same standard.

Result?  No Halloween.  No Valentines Day.  No Christmas/Hannukah/Ramadan/Kwanzaa.  No Easter.  No Thanksgiving.

Why?  Because they're religiously-oriented holidays.  Just my opinion, but isn't banning this stuff kinda taking the fun out of being a little kid?

Rather than ban stuff, I'd rather embrace it.  All major religions, save the Aethiests--who believe there is no God--refer to their diety as "God".  The diety may have another name as well to devotees, but asking "God" to help keep you safe, give 100% effort, etcetera doesn't seem to cross any particular religious lines as being disrespectful.  Mentioning Jesus Christ, however, might--and I recognize that.

If we would all try embracing other religious traditions the way we protect our own, we'd have a better understanding of what's important to other people, and why we need to give as well as receive respect.  Banning everything, though, seems to take the way of the Aethiest, IMO--and certainly misses out on teachable moments.

My liberal-arts-eduction-purist-background .02 worth.  Surely you can appreciate that, Warren!   

And back to football...

[Warren Thompson]

Result?  No Halloween.  No Valentines Day.

My liberal-arts-eduction-purist-background .02 worth.  Surely you can appreciate that, Warren!   

Halloween a "religious" holiday? Maybe for witches, eh. Or Lutherans (after all, it's "Reformation Day") ? [BTW there are folks who refuse to celebrate Halloween cuz they believe it does glorify witchcraft.]

And, yes, your "liberal-arts-purist-background" is hereby appreciated. 

[Ralph Turner]

All Hallow's E'en, the night before All Saints Day!