FB: American Southwest Conference

cruprez · October 26, 2005, 08:29:08 PM

I found it, but not updated yet http://www.ncaasports.com/football/mens/polls/polls/diviii

this was last years....ugh...oh well...we (UMHB) must still win out...so one game at a time....

:-)

Ralph Turner · October 26, 2005, 09:46:24 PM

roocru, IMO, the ASC board is fair game for any laudatory posts about any ASC schools in any sports, until Pat augments the D3sports.com site to have more features!

Technically, you posted this on one of the sub-boards of D3sports.com Posts anyway!

TXCowboy · October 27, 2005, 03:00:51 AM

I sure can't believe that the sox won the series in four straight, did anyone see that coming.

Ron Boerger · October 27, 2005, 09:04:18 AM

Post on the USAC board sez UMHB has a non-conference game lined up next September at Christopher Newport. Now those boys are gonna see what real D3 football is all about

Re the Sox ... they made their breaks, but crimeny a lot of things went their way. When you have a guy win a game with a HR who hadn't hit one all season long ... congrats to 'em anyway.

Stephen1452 · October 27, 2005, 09:21:11 AM

Ron,

UMHB added that game b/c for the last several seasons their first game has been against Williamette, but it is in the 2nd week of play for everyone else. Plus I'm sure it would have helped to play that game and win, then there would be no doubt about who the conference champ should be and who would get into playoffs. Overall I think it will be good for the cru. It will add a nationally known and usually ranked team to the schedule.

Ralph Turner · October 27, 2005, 09:30:28 AM

Stephen, this is a good game because:

1) it's a South Region game!!!
2) CNU is likely to finish next season at .667 or better in South Region games, i.e., better QOWI score.
3) CNU wants to play tough games in their non-conference schedule.
4) My suspicion is that they, a "state-school", have to look hard for team who will play them. They have to fill 3 non-conference games.

Congratulations to UMHB for scheduling them.

minni · October 27, 2005, 09:52:44 AM

Ralph whose game do you like better, HSU vs. Linfield or UMHB vs. CNU?

sthrncwby · October 27, 2005, 10:08:48 AM

I'm sure I'm going to lose a karma point and everyone going to give me hell. If UMHB is so great of a team, how did they lose to an unranked team. Sounds like someone is better than UMHB. Before you get on here and blast me for my insane comment, take it in and reflect.

Toby Taff · October 27, 2005, 10:17:49 AM

I can give you the opinion of one of your very own Cowboys that said it just proves for him his thought that you really can't rank the top 25 in DIII. Too many variables, and I'd have to say more and more each season in the ASC anything can happen. MHB got beat by HPU who got beat by HSU who got beat by MHB...does that make them all equal? No, but I think it does say that if you don't show up with your A game every week one of these days what you bring won't be good enough.

hpudad · October 27, 2005, 10:54:20 AM

A truer statement has been made mhb8904. In the ASC you had better bring the A game every week.

I have a question about the playoffs. Has any conference had more than two teams in the playoffs at the same time?

CwbyFann · October 27, 2005, 10:54:46 AM

I don't think that HSU is any less dominant than in the past. Nor do I think that UMHB is any kind of super team. The main thing is that the ASC in general has stepped up the level of play, and that is a good thing for all of the programs. We now have two teams that demand national recognition, and other teams in the conference that have the ability to upset those teams. In the mid to late 90's to 01 we didn't have that. Don't get me wrong I would love to see HSU run the table like the good o'l days, but it is much more difficult than it used to be.

CwbyFann · October 27, 2005, 11:21:03 AM

Wow somebody actually gave me a karma point!!!

Ralph Turner · October 27, 2005, 11:25:26 AM

minni, UMHB by about this much (fingertips held about 1/4" apart).

I like the UMHB game against CNU because:

1) it is South Region. The outcome (win) boosts UMHB's, and indirectly, the ASC's QOWI.
2) I honestly believe that UMHB can defeat CNU most years, even on the road.
3) CNU has a high probability of being a playoff team most years and a ranked South Region team many years. That means a win over CNU usually helps UMHB with South Region Rankings.

All of the above address the Primary Criteria!

An alternate philosophy is to play a really hard game out-of-region so the loss, may not hurt you. A win will not help you either. Did the UW-Stout loss by HSU in 2003 knock them from a Pool C bid? With only 3 bids, probably not. Had there been 7 Pool C bids, maybe not, but it certainly would not have helped them. The UMHB 2004 win over Pool B Willamette, "results (a win) over a Ranked team in another region" (secondary criteria), probably gave them the Pool C bid.

TXCowboy · October 27, 2005, 12:26:08 PM

hpudad, last year HSU and UMHB were in the playoffs and faced each other in the second round. UMHB went on to Salem only to lose a very close but exciting game to Linfield.

TXCowboy · October 27, 2005, 12:29:55 PM

CowboyFann couldn't of said it any better, in my opinion the ASC is the toughest conference to play in just because now there are so many teams playing good football. It is hard to watch now and not have HSU run the table but it makes the season lest predictable as in the past it was always HSU dominating the conference.