FB: American Southwest Conference

[hpudad]

No doubt.  The 3 point loss to ETB hurts a lot more now than it did then.  I know the old saying of "if's and but's were candy and nuts..." but if HPU could have won that game there might have been three teams from the ASC going to the playoffs.

Still HPU has done great this season with the new coaching staff and systems.  A good off season for the playes and a good recruiting class and maybe they can compete for the ASC title next year.

There is still one game left in this season and I know HPU's focus is on getting the win at Mississippi College.

Go Jackets!!!

[tripled14]

Crukid, in the middle of the 3rd quarter, UMHB had a 51-0 lead and still had defensive starters on the field.  You also had Padron taking snaps deep into the 4th quarter.

It was Homecoming and you had an 8 TD lead by the 4th quarter.  UMHB has 150+ players on the roster on the web site.

There is no such thing as redshirting so we should have been seeing some of those 4th stringers.

How many does UMHB suit up for a home game?  Only 60?  Does that mean that there are 90 guys on the roster who have no chance of seeing action in a 72-0 rout at Homecoming in front of their parents?

Maybe that is the dirty little secret that high school players should know.  At the start of the season, you may be a 4th string player "and about a quarter of an inch" out of 2nd string.  Fellow, you're gonna get lost at UMHB.  There are probably several other schools where you can develop into a really good player.  Why take the chance of not even getting to suit out.  Look at some other programs in the ASC.  HPU beat UMHB. Someone else could use you to beat the Crusaders.

I stand by my post.  UMHB needed quality reps for Padron until the last series of the game, and UMHB was going to get him for him.

Good luck representing the conference!

Ever heard of Matt Bush or Jeff Oliver?  These two guys played two years on JV then turned into All Americans at UMHB.  The coaches at UMHB are upfront with thier recruits about how many kids they have on the team.  Not everyone can come in as a freshman and make an impact their first year.  McMurry on Saturday was one of the worst teams I have seen in the ASC the past few years(Sorry, but true).  They gave up in the second quarter.  UMHB could have scored 100+ points.  Coaches were calling plays that they hoped wouldnt work.

[sthrncwby]

Everyone quit complaining about the running up the score.  McMurry wasnt ready to play UMHB.  Football games last 60 minutes.  McMurry may have shut it down 5 minutes in, but you cant tell UMHB to shut it down at 12 mintues in. 

[sthrncwby]

My prayers go out to the Alvarez family.  Alvy was a good friend of mine and will be greatly missed.

[Thomas]

Onall said he would rather play King 100 times than play the Seller kid.  though he is a huge reason for a winning season, King never, ever got beat like that.  They flat out gave up.  That took him out of the offensive MVP race. 

[tripled14]

Interesting scores from the past:
1998: HSU 83    TLU 6
HSU  56   UMHB 9


2004:HSU  79    SRSU   17

[tripled14]

Yeah, Pottsy.  Great teams go for it on fourth and goal from the one to push their margin of victory to 72.  That counts as greatness in my book every day.

What did you have to say about those HSU scores Bowerman?

[eagle]

What is interesting about those scores triple14??, they are of no significance. The UMHB score saturday is of no significance. They are wins. Whether you win by 1 or 61 it only goes down as a win or a loss. I think the 1 pointers hurt more. McM is a better team than what was represented last Saturday, they had a bad game for whatever reason. No team other than HSU or UMHB from the ASC is going to make the playoffs, so lets play the final weekend and then root for one of those teams to take it to Salem. Happy recruiting.

[tripled14]

What is interesting about those scores triple14??, they are of no significance. The UMHB score saturday is of no significance. They are wins. Whether you win by 1 or 61 it only goes down as a win or a loss. I think the 1 pointers hurt more. McM is a better team than what was represented last Saturday, they had a bad game for whatever reason. No team other than HSU or UMHB from the ASC is going to make the playoffs, so lets play the final weekend and then root for one of those teams to take it to Salem. Happy recruiting.

the scores are interesting because Bowerman runs his mouth about running up the score when his team has scored alot of points in games also.  I bet he didnt say anything about the scores back then.

[Zmotion10 out on 2]

Will anybody be t the HSU / UMHB JV game tonight?  If so please post some updates.  Also look for #49 on HSU and if he gets a pick or makes a good play let me know!!!  If he misses a tackle then don't tell me.

Have to work and can't make the game.

[roocru]

Crukid, mhb8904, Pottsy, UMHB-Catland, Crualum, RooCru, Bill and Stephen,

Thanks for the info and feeback on the UMHB-McM game.  A radio account doesn't give all of the information and the story can come out afterwards from first-hand accounts.  This feeling must partially simulate that of the Mount Union 66-0 pasting of Bridgewater in the 2003 Semifinals.

A total whoopin'...  UMHB has the quickest defense that we have seen, which was the answer to Sellers.  I hope y'all can keep that ferocity.  It would be nice to have a Stagg Bowl Trophy (Walnut and Bronze) back in Texas.

Tripled,
You started this series of posts off with a quote by one of the most respected posters on the D3 website.  Did you miss his followup post quoted above ?  Ralph graciously responded to the posters who immediately followed him.  Leave him alone.  Now you are attacking another poster and bringing this whole thing up again when it was settled several days ago.  We posted mostly respectful arguments.  Yours is full of spite.  Now you look like the bad guy and indirectly make all us UMHB posters look bad.    Please lay off !!!!

[Josh Bowerman]

I say you should stick to baseball, Derrick. 

In those terms--so you can understand it--you don't steal a base or swing 3-0 when you're up by 10 in the eight inning.   That's a damned good way to get earholed by the opposing pitcher.

And for the record, those scores should never have been run up that high by HSU, IMO.  You prove nothing by beating someone by 72 that you don't prove by beating them by 49, 56 or even 63.  Those scores are unrepresentative of the type of individual I know Jimmie Keeling to be.  Unless the other team has over 50 points, you better never be scoring 70 in my book. 

You certainly don't go for it on fourth and goal from the one yard line when you're already winning by 65.  You kick.  And you certainly don't run up a track record of doing it every time you get the chance--which is what Coach Fredenberg has done over the course of the last 2-3 seasons.

You and your statements represent everything that is wrong with college sports.  I may be old-school with the way I look at things, but you're the only person that has ever called me classless.  And I lose no sleep knowing that it comes from someone like you.

[etbualum]

As far as running up the score goes everyone has done it.  You will also always  have two camps.  One that thinks you should never run up the score, and the other that will say put someone out there to stop them.  I know here at etbu I dont recall very many people tapping the breaks once the score gets out of hand.  We have been on both sides of those.  So I dont really have care one way or the other.  The one thing I will say is that if your ready to hand it out like umhb did then they better be ready to take it. 

[roocru]

Josh,

You and I have had some misunderstandings before so I am trying to say this as tactfully as I can.  You said in your post, "Those scores are unrepresentative of the type of individual I know Jimmie Keeling to be."  I agree wholeheartedly with that statement.  I have known Coach Keeling since the mid-80's when I applied for a job opening he had.  I respect him, what he has done and what he stands for.

I guess my question is "Do you know Coach Fredenburg as well as you know Coach Keeling?"  Because I think I do and in my opinion "Those scores are unrepresentative of the type of individual I know Pete Fredenburg to be." 

A quick glance at the scores for both teams since 1999 shows that HSU has scored 50 or more points a total of fourteen times.  UMHB has scored 50 or more points sixteen times.  I firmly believe that all of these scores of 50 or more were "unrepresentative" of either coach's philosophy.  Sometimes, as evidenced above, it "just happens".

Last year (2004) HSU did it four times and UMHB did it six times.   Three of UMHB's high scores were after our 49-22 loss to HSU (nearly 50  )and Coach Fred was fighting for his team to qualify as a Pool C  in the fickle eyes of the selection committee.  It paid off and UMHB advanced to the Stagg Bowl.  I really believe that these high scores are indicative of the quality of both teams last year and show that if we had lost to you guys in the playoffs you would have made it that far as well.

I guess all I am wondering about is in regard to your statement " And you certainly don't run up a track record of doing it every time you get the chance--which is what Coach Fredenberg has done over the course of the last 2-3 seasons".  If you really believe that without really knowing the man and base that opinion on scores in games you mostly were not present to watch, I am saying you are unfair in that personal attack.  I have no problems with your opinion regarding "running up the score".  We all hate to see it.  I just felt your statement about Coach Fred was uncalled for.

Please do not take this as a personal attack toward you.  I guess I feel I just have to stand up for someone I feel is one of my good friends. 

[tripled14]

I called you classless becuase you cussed at me on here, and you insulted a very good SID earlier in the year.  I dont post on here much, but I feel the need to when you make stupid comments.  If UMHB ran up the score then so have your Cowboys and you can not say anything about the CRU