FB: American Southwest Conference

[Josh Bowerman]

Catland, for the record, I don't think it was a fluke at the end of the day--more a 'Murphy's Law' moment for the Cowboys.  Blocked kicks and screen pass interceptions happen, they're just not the norm--and anybody who has watched football for any length of time knows this.  When they all happen at the same time, you have to wonder whether or not the stars aren't just aligned against you. 

(After seeing UMHB's strong special teams play, I'd have to say that "yes" that kickoff run back by UW-W was a fluke play.)

Question for you:  do I detect just a little of that "Whew--we escaped that one" from you? 

[Josh Bowerman]

Besides, election day is coming, and we all have to be a bit partisan around election day, don't we?   

[Toby Taff]

Besides, election day is coming, and we all have to be a bit partisan around election day, don't we?   

KINKY for Governor? 

[Josh Bowerman]

I can't vote for someone who has that bad of a haircut, regardless of party (or independent) affiliation.   

[Toby Taff]

I can't vote for someone who has that bad of a haircut, regardless of party (or independent) affiliation.   

I understand.  We all have our standards.

[Josh Bowerman]

And mine are pretty low.   

I feel much better now that I've gotten my once-a-year rant over and out of my system.

[Kelly Boggs]

Not an "we escaped" anything. UMHB did what it needed to do to defeat HSU the first time that they met.

The "flukes" you mention seem to happen with much regularity for The CRU defense. I know of at least three interceptions of a screen pass the past two seasons (two of them coming this year). Good teams seem to create their own "luck."

I do not regard the UWW kickoff return as a fluke. The Warhawks executed and The CRU did not. Fredenberg said the safety got caught up in traffic. I was a safety on kickoffs once upon a time... if I got caught up in traffic, then I was out of position.

Just because something does not happen often - and I do not know what percentage of the time kickoffs are returned for TDs - does not mean it is a fluke. It is like a fumble... sometimes it bounces right back up and sometimes it squirts away. And as a side and for the record, I detest instant replay. The human element is present in coaching, playing and thus should be accepted in officiating. Just my opinion.

UWW does not look forward to a re-match with UMHB for the same reason I do not look forward to playing HSU again. Number one, the defeated team has revenge as a little extra incentive and number two, it is just hard to beat a good team twice in the same season (as stated previously). And it doesn't matter what the outcome of the first meeting happened to be. A few years back, Texas beat Colorado something like 42-7 in the regular season and then lost to the Buffs in the Big 12 championship game.

Do I think UMHB can beat HSU again? Absolutely. Will they... well both teams will have to take care of business for it to even be a possiblity. If I recall correctly, a simliar converstaion occured last year. We were told that HSU was going to beat UMHB in a re-match during the playoffs... and opps, someone did not make it to the playoffs. HSU has no room for error. Another loss and they will miss the playoffs. While the CRU can afford a miss step, it would really hurt their seeding come playoff time. Both teams need to take care of business and win the next two games. While I do not expect either team to lose, it has already been pointed out that "flukes" happen. 

Listen, I do not like the "ifa, shoulda, coulda, woulda" talk. Close games always turn on a handful of plays. In fact, they probably turn more on stuff we don't see lile a missed block, missed tackle, blown coverage, etc...

I have watched football for a long time and strange plays happen. Hopefully, over the course of a season, they even out. But I am not going to whine about 'em. The only thing worse would be blamming the refs for a loss. Which by the way, didn't the HSU game begin with a refs saying the UMHB return man called for a fair catch on the opening kickoff. A really bad call.. a fluke really... but that is way the ref's whilste blows sometimes.

[Bill McCabe]

Josh, on the UWW kickoff return to start the game, there was a hole big enough for you, me, Ron, and Roocru to go through.  It was gigantic.

[Zmotion10 out on 2]

Just out of morbid curiosity, are you HSU fans likely to slit your wrists in hot water if the Cowboys don't "hang 60" on TLC or McMurry?

I just want a win.  Doesn't matter what the score is or the ifs ands and butts.  Just two more wins is what I'm after as a fan.  Oh and yes yes I'm wanting a rematch with the Cru.  Naturally because we lost 

But one game at a time.  I remember the TLU game last year so I hope that our boys take it one game at a time.

[D3ASC]

lets try to keep in mind that the UMHB offense isn't set up for high scoring like HSU. they want to run out the clock while scoring enough points to win. I would say that they have sputtered at times this year. I wouldn't be so quick to give the rematch to HSU just yet. after what I saw last week the UMHB defense if they choose to will not let another team score on them again this season. might be bold but they held the number two team in the nation to 0 tuchdowns and 124 yrds of offense.

you HSU guy need to take a deep breath it will be ok.

[minni]

Until today, the ASC forum has been a great forum for discussing D3 football in a non-partisan fashion. You play the games and accept the outcomes.

Now we learn that UMHB beat HSU on fluke plays. If that is the case then UMHB was defeated by UWW by four fluke plays... no make that five. The fluke kick-off return for a TD; two fluke interceptions; one fluke fumble, and a fluke missed filed goal. And I did not even mention the fluke holding call that took them from the UWW five back to the UWW 15 and killed a potential touchdown tying drive. Sheesh... UWW beat UMHB 7-3. I wish it had turned out differently, but it didn't.

Come on guys. All the plays in a game count. Bad breaks happen to every team. Hence the quote that I love: "If 'ifs' and 'buts' were candy and nuts, we would all have a merry Christmas."

I, for one, do not look forward to a HSU vs UMHB match-up. It is very difficult to defeat a good team twice in the same season. HSU knows that all too well from what happened in 2004. If they do play again this season, all that will be established by the team that wins is that they happened to have played better on that particular day.

"If" I had just been nice and not sounded off, my karma would not now be decreasing. "But" I could not remain quiet, so I will take my karma reduction like a man. "But" remember, it is only a fluke post.  I am really a much better poster than represented here. 

I never said anything about fluke plays.  What he was calling fluke plays were the punt blocks and fg block.  Those dont happen every game is why I think he was calling it a fluke play.  So sound off all you want, but the only thing I have really said is that I feel HSU could have and should have beat UMHB the first time.  

You cheer on your team Ill cheer on mine and hopefully come playoff time we can just keep cheering louder and louder.  I kinda like the board like this.  IMO, other than the HSU & UMHB week, this board has been kinda mellow.  I enjoy people showing the passion they have for their teams.  Sure it may fire me up a little bit, but I enjoy the fact that we have a reason to be DISCUSSING this matter.  I mean it could be we us arguing about teams that didnt really matter.  Your team is #6 my team is #7, and we both have the ability to play for a National Championship.  

Also, I guess its different when you have actually played for that team recently too.

[Josh Bowerman]

Just out of morbid curiosity, are you HSU fans likely to slit your wrists in hot water if the Cowboys don't "hang 60" on TLC or McMurry? If so, can I watch?

Ouch.  I thought we were friends, Warren.   

[Zmotion10 out on 2]

My take on the UMHB and HSU game was that the Cru made the plays necessary to win the game.  After the procedure call when we were at the 1 yardline the wheels just feel off.  It happens.  Oh and yes I would put 2 or maybe 3 guys to try and block Kubiak.  He really had an impact on the first game.  Great great great defense by the Cru.  When you have a defense that good the offense doesn't have to have long scoring drives.  Can't fault them for that.  I'm like some of the others on here not so much concerned with the stats but rather the final score.  We lost the first meeting, we heard the "Overrated" we had the long drive home, etc. etc. etc.

The good news:
The Cowboys have gone away from the spread punt formation or at least they did after ETBU (I think) busted through it and sacked our punter.  We are back to the normal way now.  We have a great punter by the way, although he doesn't get to punt too often he has done a very good job this year.  So we learn from the mistakes that we made earlier.

I really, really hope that HSU makes the playoffs and does get a rematch with the Cru.   I know it will be a great game.  Both teams are very talented and I think either team can compete for a national title.

About last year:
After the whipping we took I don't recall anyone wanting a rematch in the playoffs...maybe someone can find that post???  I know we wanted to make the playoffs but I don't recall anyone wishing for a trip to Belton.

[Kelly Boggs]

Passion has no age restrictions  . We old geezers care about our teams just as much as you young whipper-snappers. Now where did I put my dane and centures? I mean cane and dentures.

I support UMHB, but I don't necessarily drink purple Kool-Aid. I try to be objective as possible and give the other team their due. HSU has a formidable team and a solid, succesful program. I give them all due respect. I do not relish a re-match.

Having watched UMHB vs Whitewater, it would be tempting to say, "The CRU should have won." But you know what, I won't do it. UWW defense played great and the Warhawks made fewer mistakes than UMHB. That formula wins games, especially close ones, more times than not.

GO CRU!

[minni]

Call me what you wish and take all my karma away and then some, I'm just a passionate former Cowboy, who loves the game and want the seniors to have something I wasnt able to, and thats a National Championship.  I do drink purple and yellow kool-aid and that is probably why I get so fired up.  You are right UMHB should have won that game, just like HSU should have won against UMHB, but neither happened, and thats the way the cookie crumbles.