FB: American Southwest Conference

SR97 · August 06, 2007, 01:24:09 PM

Quote from: minni on August 06, 2007, 10:15:34 AM
El paso I would think could be a wonderful recruiting area for sul ross. I mean they basically have that turf to themselves.

Believe it or not, we don't have too many players from El Paso, as in guys that get considerable amounts of playing time. I would say we have "The Valley" to ourselves for the most part, and El Paso players are sprinkled in. I even think the Midland/Odessa area gives us just as many players as El Paso. I wonder where these El Paso kids go outside of UTEP. Maybe New Mexico, New Mexico State, or a few to Sul Ross.

SR97 · August 06, 2007, 01:26:22 PM

Quote from: Pat Coleman on August 03, 2007, 12:47:40 PM
Quote from: cheddar8314 on August 03, 2007, 11:42:00 AM
I would like to jump into this. You are all talking about the size of the schools, the location, and the winning traditions, but I think there is one more issues that no one has said. What about the cost of the school? I think the big issue is that the two powerhouses of Texas, UMHB and HSU and I am sure many more in DIII are allowed to give Presidential scholarship to their athletes. This is something that I believe plays a big part of success for these schools. When you have a place like SRSU that does not have the money to give these types of scholarships, it makes it hard to recruit the good athletes that cannot afford to go to school. To me it makes the playing field lopsided and I believe that this issue is overlooked.

A Texas resident can take 21 credit hours at SRSU for $3,177. Which side is the lopsidedness on?

It is considerably more than that since Sul Ross has built the new dorms. Room and board is sky high and you are required to live on campus until you have 60 hours or you are 21.

SR97 · August 06, 2007, 01:29:58 PM

Quote from: Bill McCabe on August 03, 2007, 06:39:58 PM
Pat, It takes $17,000 to get to Alpine.

That's why I only make it home about twice a year.

CNU85 · August 06, 2007, 10:30:53 PM

interesting conversation. did anyone see where Spurrier is ticked at the admissions office at S. Carolina. b/c some of his recruits didn't get accepted? he is threatening to quit. good thing he's not my employee....i don't like those kind of threats

Sender · August 07, 2007, 09:58:42 AM

They pay him to win football games. When those kids kids signed their letter of intent the school knew the kids scores, the school signed off on it. They had the min. NCAA qualifications to be eilgible. You cannot hamstring a guy like that. He has every right to be mad. Now, when a new recruit comes along next year, a 4 or 5 star athlete, he will be scarred to sign thinking the same thing will happen to him. Spurrier was right, too much money at that level, too much to play those games. I think the school changed their stance, but I am not for sure.

He knows about academics he coached at Duke and won.

Ron Boerger · August 07, 2007, 10:21:23 AM

The bulk of those employed by South Carolina are paid to teach academic subjects, not teach sports.

Mr. Spurrier does not set the standard for who is and is not allowed into the institution. The minimum NCAA qualifications are just that - a BARE minimum - and a college has every right to set its standards higher.

Even in Division I the primary purpose of a college is to educate and I salute the guys at SC who stood up for academic standards for a change. You can be sure it won't happen again.

Sender · August 07, 2007, 11:20:24 AM

That is for sure it will not happen again. That person is long by now.

When they signed the kid the SCHOOL knew what they were getting, you cannot do that to a kid and take away his opportunity to get an education and maybe pro career. Look at where most of them come from, it is good they can even pass.

headlinesman · August 07, 2007, 12:09:10 PM

This is an interesting discussion. I have just recently completed a paper for a summer school course that had to do with a Division I university's compliance office. Among the many things I researched, was the compliance office's role in the admissions process. The compliance officer and the four or five coaches interviewed all said the first and foremost question for any recruit, academically, is "Can we get this kid in school?"

Sender, I don't think you're going to find a lot of sympathy on this board for guys like Spurrier, whose job is to win football games, not graduate kids. All the D3 schools in our conference really strive to emphasize the "student" in studen-athlete. Right now, our friend Mack Brown, who probably sits on the right hand of the Father, is finding out the perils of recruiting kids who are just fine athletes. The taxpayers who foot the bill for the state institutions are entitled to a better product being produced out of the athletic programs than what they are getting right now.

CNU85 · August 07, 2007, 12:21:39 PM

The part I don't like about the issue is that Spurrier took it public. A HUGE ethical problem as far as I'm concerned. Go ahead, tell the press you are going to quit. You better have your letter of resignation written and be ready to forfeit your contract. I knew when he took the SC job that it wouldn't take long to drag the reputation of that University down. He wins football games and that's what he is paid to do, but I strongly believe you can win football games and not tarnish an institution's reputation. Luckily for SC, most folks will realize it's Spurrier with the "I'm taking my marbles and going home" attitude. And people often wonder why high level athletes behave the way they do....Spurrier is a bad example of how to coach young adults. Let me run USC for a day, I'll straighten the guy out. He might make more money than me, but he wouldn't by the time the day was over. And the Alumni who support his actions would hear me, too. I would probably lose my job, but I would have done "The right thing"!! And that's ok with me.

CNU85 · August 07, 2007, 12:24:08 PM

aahhhh.....I feel better....

Zmotion10 out on 2 · August 07, 2007, 12:56:11 PM

Too few people actually do "the right thing" now a days.

+1 CNU85

Sender · August 07, 2007, 02:12:09 PM

Well, you cannot have it both ways. A big time coach and a high level of academics. I promise the alumni would rather have wins on Saturday than this sudden high level to get kids in the school. Spurrier got his point across though. That will never happen to him again, and he had to let his recruits in '08 know that and possible recruits. If I had 4 or 5 star player I would say wait a minute son. It is a business, that is what it is.

"The taxpayers who foot the bill for the state institutions are entitled to a better product being produced out of the athletic programs than what they are getting right now." headlinesman.
If they let Mack Brown , Spurrier and bigtime coaches run there program , taxpayers will get a winner and not cost them a penny. Bowl games and TV . Look at Young, I promise he did not score a 25 on his ACTs

He has not drug the program through the mud no more than Texas or anywhere else. Texas suspended two players yesterday.

CNU85 · August 07, 2007, 02:21:58 PM

Quote from: Sender on August 07, 2007, 02:12:09 PM
Well, you cannot have it both ways. A big time coach and a high level of academics.

Stanford

minni · August 07, 2007, 02:30:49 PM

he said big time coach CNU85

CNU85 · August 07, 2007, 02:41:25 PM

They've had some big time coaches and high academics in the past. Some guy in the Pro Football HOF comes to mind. I think he has a few rings from the 49ers as well.

And if you talk about specific coaches and their teams that have performed (in the classroom and on the field/court/etc)no matter what sport......I have 2 good examples in hoops....

Coach K at Duke and former Coach Dean Smith at North Carolina.

I'm sure we could all come up with examples (past and present) of big time teams and coaches in which their academic integrity was not questioned as is Spurrier's.