FB: American Southwest Conference

[Ralph Turner]

Thanks for the kind words, proud. 

[Josh Bowerman]

IMO, I think this is the first year the anti-redshirting rules have had a noticeable affect in the conference, and the prime example is HSU.  Really, really young all over the place now, but loading up for the next two-three years.

(To be fair, this is not my original idea, but I do agree with it)

I'd look for similar results in the future at other conference schools, too.

[CruAlum90]

I'm Back baby!  Its been a while, but I feel the need to give an update on the Crusaders!  The last time we spoke it was the Crusader defense and thier coaching staff that was the topic of conversation, not that they aren't doing great, but I think it's time to focus on the crusader offense, I know their opponents are!  We'll start with the backfeild and running backs coach, Jeff "too tall, Hoo Whaa" Shinn, this guy has a stable this year, with Thrasher pounding the rock, and Daniels speed, they are a tandem to be reckoned with, and Coach Shinn has em playin, and believe it or not, they are not taking after their coach this year, they are all passing thier classes! Great Job Coach.  Running the offensive line is Coach Joe "alright, um K" George, what a great guy, and for those of you that don't know he's a lobo, as is DT coach coach agnew, former coach Vernon Fuel, and Coach Agnew.  Coach George has one of the best linemen in the country in Caleb Woodall, a hass at left tackle that was recruited out of Harligen by one, Coach Layton Lively!!!  Woodall  is joined by the rest of the hogs upfront in forming one of the best offensive lines in the country, and why wouldn't they be, they have one of the best coaches in the country in George!  Leading the Crusader offense is Matt "Awall" Robinson.  As offensive coordinator, Coach Robinson has settled in quite nicely, and you may have noticed that his players have all trimmed down due to the diet implemented by Coach Rob of soy burgers, lettuce, and Brussell Sprouts, yes sir, Coach Robinson has em slimmed up and playin hard, and his players feed off his passion for the game.  He has also implemented a stretch routine that the Saders have used to become more flexible, its an akward stretch that involves slightly bending the knees, locking your arms with your hands on your knees, sticking your butt out, and shaking you rear behind you, it's worked for him for years, and it appears to be working for the CRU.  Josh Welch has been steadily effective this year as he has always been as well.  The McMurray game should be a blowout as the rest of them have been, thats all I'll say on that, I dont want to upset Mr. Ralph Turner too much.  Shout outs to Larry "The Hitman" Harmon, Keith "Spelunker" Zunker, and David"They get at ya latley" Branscom, that Defense looks great.  Shout outs to my boy Jack Johnson, hes got that Bridgewater D playing, good luck this weekend against Hampden-Sydney.  Also shout outs to Cody Fredenburg at Ok. State, nice win last week, and an even better post game speach, I love a coach standing up for his players.  Also shout outs to Layton Lively, I hear your ballin buddy, keep it up, and I can't leave out Tony Salazar at Dripping Springs, winning games and breeding all americans, that what we do.  Cru Family, Love yall!!!

[Ralph Turner]

IMO, I think this is the first year the anti-redshirting rules have had a noticeable affect in the conference, and the prime example is HSU.  Really, really young all over the place now, but loading up for the next two-three years.

(To be fair, this is not my original idea, but I do agree with it)

I'd look for similar results in the future at other conference schools, too.

Josh, that is a very interesting opinion, altho' you have probably consulted well-placed "anonymous" sources in forming that opinion.  That means that there will be a new emphasis on development of the JV squads and freshman retention.

I also wonder about new efforts to "recruit" dissatisfied players from the numerous D-2 and D-1AA schools in the state.

[TX2OK]

Cru 90
Thats what Im talking about!  Go Cru kick a little ass!  That program is a model for any other school.  Nothing but great people who work there and know how to win and live life the correct way.  To all Cru faithful lets keep it going this season.  This team has the potential to go all the way. 

On a side note Im tired of all the useless bits of nonsense being discussed on here.  Nobody cares!  Some of you people need to get a clue!  Its like you have no concept of the game.

Cru 90 I got your back.  T nuts keep em rollin!  Go Cru.  Dont over look anybody.  Its time to dominate again

[Ron Boerger]

Feel free to create your own board if you don't like what's discussed here, until then we'll follow Pat's rules and not yours. 

[headlinesman]

I'm Back baby!  Its been a while, but I feel the need to give an update on the Crusaders!  The last time we spoke it was the Crusader defense and thier coaching staff that was the topic of conversation, not that they aren't doing great, but I think it's time to focus on the crusader offense, I know their opponents are!  We'll start with the backfeild and running backs coach, Jeff "too tall, Hoo Whaa" Shinn, this guy has a stable this year, with Thrasher pounding the rock, and Daniels speed, they are a tandem to be reckoned with, and Coach Shinn has em playin, and believe it or not, they are not taking after their coach this year, they are all passing thier classes! Great Job Coach.  Running the offensive line is Coach Joe "alright, um K" George, what a great guy, and for those of you that don't know he's a lobo, as is DT coach coach agnew, former coach Vernon Fuel, and Coach Agnew.  Coach George has one of the best linemen in the country in Caleb Woodall, a hass at left tackle that was recruited out of Harligen by one, Coach Layton Lively!!!  Woodall  is joined by the rest of the hogs upfront in forming one of the best offensive lines in the country, and why wouldn't they be, they have one of the best coaches in the country in George!  Leading the Crusader offense is Matt "Awall" Robinson.  As offensive coordinator, Coach Robinson has settled in quite nicely, and you may have noticed that his players have all trimmed down due to the diet implemented by Coach Rob of soy burgers, lettuce, and Brussell Sprouts, yes sir, Coach Robinson has em slimmed up and playin hard, and his players feed off his passion for the game.  He has also implemented a stretch routine that the Saders have used to become more flexible, its an akward stretch that involves slightly bending the knees, locking your arms with your hands on your knees, sticking your butt out, and shaking you rear behind you, it's worked for him for years, and it appears to be working for the CRU.  Josh Welch has been steadily effective this year as he has always been as well.  The McMurray game should be a blowout as the rest of them have been, thats all I'll say on that, I dont want to upset Mr. Ralph Turner too much.  Shout outs to Larry "The Hitman" Harmon, Keith "Spelunker" Zunker, and David"They get at ya latley" Branscom, that Defense looks great.  Shout outs to my boy Jack Johnson, hes got that Bridgewater D playing, good luck this weekend against Hampden-Sydney.  Also shout outs to Cody Fredenburg at Ok. State, nice win last week, and an even better post game speach, I love a coach standing up for his players.  Also shout outs to Layton Lively, I hear your ballin buddy, keep it up, and I can't leave out Tony Salazar at Dripping Springs, winning games and breeding all americans, that what we do.  Cru Family, Love yall!!!

CRUALUM - you really need to get a real job, a woman, or both - you have WAY TOO much time on your hands, young man!!

[headlinesman]

The really sad thing about the current state of McMurry football is that, of all the schools in the conference, McM probably has the longest and proudest football history of them all.  The Tribe used to back down, and take second seat, to no one of a similar size.  I was actually in attendance the last year McM and ACU (then ACC) played a real game.  The final score wasn't pretty, but the Indians never once cowered to the Christians from the Hill.  It used to be said of the ole' Soutwest Conference that a team from the Dallas area (either TCU or  SMU) needed to be competitive for the league to be fan-healthy.  I think the same can be said for Abilene/Brownwood - for the sake of the league's fan health, one of those schools needs to be competitive every year, and wouldn't it be interesting if McM and HPU could narrow the competitive gap a bit.

[Josh Bowerman]

On a side note Im tired of all the useless bits of nonsense being discussed on here.  Nobody cares!  Some of you people need to get a clue!  Its like you have no concept of the game.

Given you're averaging two zings for every post, I'd humbly suggest that maybe it's you that needs to get a clue.

[Ralph Turner]

The really sad thing about the current state of McMurry football is that, of all the schools in the conference, McM probably has the longest and proudest football history of them all.  The Tribe used to back down, and take second seat, to no one of a similar size.  I was actually in attendance the last year McM and ACU (then ACC) played a real game.  The final score wasn't pretty, but the Indians never once cowered to the Christians from the Hill.  It used to be said of the ole' Soutwest Conference that a team from the Dallas area (either TCU or  SMU) needed to be competitive for the league to be fan-healthy.  I think the same can be said for Abilene/Brownwood - for the sake of the league's fan health, one of those schools needs to be competitive every year, and wouldn't it be interesting if McM and HPU could narrow the competitive gap a bit.

Thanks for the kind words...

There are five Texas colleges that have stayed with this level of football consistently...

Austin College (has always been small college), Howard Payne (played with the Lone Star Conference until the late 1980's), McMurry, Sul Ross State (always NAIA D-3 quality with some national championships in some sports) and Trinity (was major college, especially in Tennis until the late 1960's, when it started to redefine itself).

We (McM) were the smallest college in the Lone Star Conference when Harvey Martin, LC Greenwood and Wade Wilson were playing and were anywhere from 1-8-1 to 8-2.  I look at the schools against whom McMurry has played and see the names of New Mexico State (6-4 lifetime), Arizona State (1-1)and University of North Texas (3-5-2).

Another proud tradition is Howard Payne.  They have always had McMurry's number.

As for conference championships, many schools were independents in the mid-20th Century.

I think that this is a technically accurate statement...

"Texas Lutheran has never won a conference championship."  (They were an independent when they won the NAIA Championships.)

Many of the schools that HPU, McMurry and SRSU have played thru the years are now 10000-30000 pupil state schools, no longer play football,or have gone out of business... Daniel Baker College in Brownwood, Southwestern in Georgetown, St Edwards in Austin, Texas State- San Marcos, Sam Houston State, Tarleton State.  McMurry leads the lifetime series with D1 Texas A&M-Corpus Christi, 4 games to 1.

We are still there.  I think that Coach Gray can build the program back.  Let's give him some time.

I honestly believe that this is the best arrangement that McMurry has had for intercollegiate athletics and probably better than the Texas Collegiate Athletic Conference (Schreiner Institute, Austin College, Trinity University in Waxahachie, Howard Payne, St Edwards and Abilene Christian)  from the 1930's to the mid-50's, because we have so many sports for men and women.

Final trivia question...
Which school has 2 members in the NFL Hall of Fame?

[Ron Boerger]

HSU and MC both get some "air time" on this week's Triple Take.  Pat and K-Mack weigh in, have a look. 

[Josh Bowerman]

Well, if you count coaches, HSU has Clyde "Bulldog" Turner and Sammy Baugh, Ralph. 

Baugh obviously played his collegiate ball at TCU, and was inducted as a player for the Washington Redskins, not for his tenure as coach at HSU or with the New York Titans (J-E-T-S, Jets, Jets, Jets!).  In other words, he was a much better player than coach!   

You can search HOFers by college here:

http://www.profootballhof.com/hof/colleges.html

It's interesting that several current DIII schools have former players in the shrine.

[Pat Coleman]

TX2OK: If you don't like what's being discussed, feel free to bring up something else. But nobody has a lot of tolerance for people who complain about the conversation without offering anything.

[texgrad69]

CruAlum 90: your enthusiasm is admirable but some of your facts are wrong.  Coach Agnew grew up in Eastland, Texas.  He played football at Ranger JC and Sul Ross.  He is not a Lobo.

[HSWho2007]

In the Sul Ross HOF he is a LOBO, now the DL coach for countless All Conference and several All americans