FB: American Southwest Conference

Cru15 · October 23, 2007, 11:06:42 AM

I am going to go out on a limb here and say the CRU will beat WW easily 42-17! I don't think anyone can stop there running game.

Ralph Turner · October 23, 2007, 11:42:52 AM

Quote from: Cru15 on October 23, 2007, 11:06:42 AM
I am going to go out on a limb here and say the CRU will beat WW easily 42-17! I don't think anyone can stop there running game.

Cru15,

I understand your confidence in the UMHB O-line and the new dimension that Patrick Oliver brings.

My specific question is, what changed over the course of the winter for the UWW defense to go from allowing only one FG to the UMHB Offense to giving up 6 TDs? Specific personnel on either side?

Thanks

Pat Coleman · October 23, 2007, 12:01:17 PM

Graduation of beast DT Ryan Kleppe may be part of that.

crufootball · October 23, 2007, 12:03:10 PM

I'm not sure if I even want the Cru to win by 25 points. I can not imagine how cocky our boys would be if they beat the #3 team in the nation by that large of a number. Don't get me wrong it would prove a lot, and would be great to see, but something tells me that would make them overlook an opponent later in the season.

yessir · October 23, 2007, 12:56:19 PM

Quote from: Pat Coleman on October 23, 2007, 12:01:17 PM
Graduation of beast DT Ryan Kleppe may be part of that.

Amen to that......he killed us last year. I don't think the CRU will get a big head if they win big. I think they know what the big picture is all about. The road ends in Salem. I think they know that.....

Cru15 · October 23, 2007, 01:00:18 PM

DT Ryan Kleppe being gone is big. He dominated the game last year. Oliver is a big factor in the passing game that was almost none existent in last years game. Alot of things change over the course of a off season/ summer that make or break you. I believe the UMHB football team has come together and clicked, they now have the best team UMHB has ever had. If WW doesn't return that kick it's 3-0 without any offensive production.

Rick Akins · October 23, 2007, 01:26:39 PM

I also concur about Kleppe. UMHB could not handle him. I do not expect a blowout at all. In fact a win by 1 point on the road would still be huge for UMHB; however, this is definitely a different offense from 2005 or 2006. The backs are MUCH better as I have stated previously, the line just seems to be opening big holes quite often as I remember from 2004, and the backs can take it to the house when they do. Also, the pass protection seems much much better, and that helps Welch a lot of course.

I know UMHB has not played anyone close to Whitewater's level yet, but the offensive line--all 5 starters back--2 juniors and 3 seniors--seems to be playing with a tremendous level of confidence. Also the tight ends and fullbacks are all back and have another year of experience too. I believe UMHB returned 9 or 10 starters from a year ago on offense: they lost only one RB( Rollins) and one receiver(Carter) and the replacements are more than outstanding.

Ralph Turner · October 23, 2007, 03:34:51 PM

Thank you gentlemen. I didn't want any bulletin board material coming off the ASC board.

We ASC fans greatly respect the WIAC. What you have discussed are all valid points that make this game different than last year's.

Looking forward to Saturday...

Toby Taff · October 23, 2007, 03:36:58 PM

Quote from: Ralph Turner on October 23, 2007, 03:34:51 PM
Thank you gentleman. I didn't want any bulletin board material coming of the ASC board.

It's still early.

Cru15 · October 23, 2007, 04:40:52 PM

Yes I definitly respect the WIAC! My prediction might just be wishful thinking, I'm sure it'll probably be a much closer then that!

umhb2001 · October 23, 2007, 04:42:21 PM

Quote from: Rick Akins on October 23, 2007, 01:26:39 PM
I also concur about Kleppe. UMHB could not handle him. I do not expect a blowout at all. In fact a win by 1 point on the road would still be huge for UMHB; however, this is definitely a different offense from 2005 or 2006. The backs are MUCH better as I have stated previously, the line just seems to be opening big holes quite often as I remember from 2004, and the backs can take it to the house when they do. Also, the pass protection seems much much better, and that helps Welch a lot of course.

I know UMHB has not played anyone close to Whitewater's level yet, but the offensive line--all 5 starters back--2 juniors and 3 seniors--seems to be playing with a tremendous level of confidence. Also the tight ends and fullbacks are all back and have another year of experience too. I believe UMHB returned 9 or 10 starters from a year ago on offense: they lost only one RB( Rollins) and one receiver(Carter) and the replacements are more than outstanding.

Mr. Akins, we have played someone of their level, at least statistically. http://web1.ncaa.org/stats/StatsSrv/rankings

Mississippi had a great run D, ranked higher than UWW. I think we will roll through them with some ease. Our 2 deep O line is VERY formidable and uncompared to most teams. I'm not saying it will be a blowout, but we should win by 10.

used2b · October 23, 2007, 04:56:58 PM

umhb2001,
(IMHO)-please don't equate Miss College's run defense with being anything above below average. I 've been preaching this for weeks. If any umhb fan or player thinks they have done something better than run through a sickening Defense in MC, you will be in for a rude awakening the next couple of weeks when you run in to UW-W's and ETBU's veteran front. (yes etbu has a strong veteran front and always plays thier best game of the year against the CRU). UMHB will not run for 600 a game for the next two weeks.

roocru · October 23, 2007, 05:00:50 PM

ASC fans, I just posted the following on the WIAC Board and wanted to put it here as well.

I posted this same information last week on the ASC board prior to our game against Mississippi College. I have changed it to fit for this week's contest. This is not meant for any other reason than informational purposes. Take from it what you will!! I just thought it might tell everyone something about both teams.
(Sorry for the format, but I have not figured out how to clean it up to post in straight columns)

PS - NR stands for Not Ranked this week. They have been ranked sometime in the past 3 weeks

NCAA Rankings as of 10/20
Football National Ranking Summary
Thru Games 10/20/2007
Category Team Rank Actual
Total Offense (231 ranked)
Mary Hardin-Baylor 3 532.4
Whitewater 38 412.1
Total Defense (231 ranked)
Whitewater 27 263.7
Mary Hardin-Baylor 55 289.9

Rushing Offense (231 ranked)
Mary Hardin-Baylor 1 379.9
Whitewater 27 230.6
Rushing Defense (231 ranked)
Mary Hardin-Baylor 4 48.4
Whitewater 19 78.9
Passing Offense (231 ranked)
Whitewater 128 186.1
Mary Hardin-Baylor 172 152.6
Pass Efficiency Defense (231 ranked)
Mary Hardin-Baylor 60 102.3
Whitewater 75 105.3
Scoring Offense (231 ranked)
Mary Hardin-Baylor 1 57.3
Whitewater 60 30.6
Scoring Defense (231 ranked)
Whitewater 22 14.4
Mary Hardin-Baylor 36 15.7
Turnover Margin (231 ranked)
Mary Hardin-Baylor 2 2.4
Whitewater 79 0.4
Team Kickoff Returns (231 ranked)
Mary Hardin-Baylor 187 17.0
Whitewater 207 16.2
Team Punt Returns (231 ranked)
Mary Hardin-Baylor 33 12.4
Whitewater 114 8.6
Team Tackles for Loss (231 ranked)
Mary Hardin-Baylor 1 11.7
Whitewater 133 6.3
Team Pass Sacks (231 ranked)
Mary Hardin-Baylor 12 3.9
Whitewater 14 3.7
Team Passing Efficiency (231 ranked)
Mary Hardin-Baylor 7 169.2
Whitewater 72 128.6
Pass Sacks Allowed (231 ranked)
Mary Hardin-Baylor 7 0.9
Whitewater 103 2.0
Kick Off Return Defense (231 ranked)
Mary Hardin-Baylor 16 14.9
Whitewater 207 22.3
Punt Return Defense (231 ranked)
Whitewater 22 4.3
Mary Hardin-Baylor 77 6.8
Turnovers Lost (231 ranked)
Mary Hardin-Baylor 71 13.0
Whitewater 84 14.0
Turnovers Gained (231 ranked)
Mary Hardin-Baylor 1 30.0
Whitewater 77 17.0
Passes Had Intercepted (231 ranked)
Mary Hardin-Baylor 7 3.0
Whitewater 36 5.0
Fumbles Lost (231 ranked)
Whitewater 180 9.0
Mary Hardin-Baylor 189 10.0
Passes Intercepted (231 ranked)
Mary Hardin-Baylor 1 18.0
Whitewater 37 12.0
Team Net Punting (231 ranked)
Whitewater 9 36.1
Mary Hardin-Baylor 22 34.8
Fumbles Recovered (231 ranked)
Mary Hardin-Baylor 9 12.0
Whitewater 143 5.0

Category Player Rank Actual
Rushing Yards Per Game (500 ranked)
Justin Beaver, Whitewater 2 178.3
Jarvis Thrasher, Mary Hardin-Baylor 4 155.3
Quincy Daniels, Mary Hardin-Baylor 17 120.6
Chris Owen, Mary Hardin-Baylor 279 43.0
Jake Anderson, Whitewater NR

Passing Efficiency (500 ranked)
Danny Jones, Whitewater 67 129.5
Josh Welch (Does not qualify for minimum attempts per Game NR

Total Offense (500 ranked)
Jarvis Thrasher, Mary Hardin-Baylor 14 155.0
Danny Jones, Whitewater 97 129.5
Justin Beaver, Whitewater 118 178.3
Josh Welch, Mary Hardin-Baylor 192 127.0
Quincy Daniels, Mary Hardin-Baylor 203 120.6
Josh Saenz, Mary Hardin-Baylor 421 55.7
Chris Owen, Mary Hardin-Baylor 492 45.0

Receptions Per Game (500 ranked)
Neil Mrkvicka, Whitewater 42 6.1
Aaron Rusch, Whitewater 478 2.6
Jordan Wells, Whitewater 499 2.5
Matt, Gifford, Whitewater NR
Patrick Oliver, Mary Hardin-Baylor NR

Receiving Yards Per Game (500 ranked)
Patrick Oliver, Mary Hardin-Baylor 219 51.0
Neil Mrkvicka, Whitewater 669 77.1
Matt, Gifford, Whitewater NR

Scoring (500 ranked)
Jarvis Thrasher, Mary Hardin-Baylor 2 13.7
Quincy Daniels, Mary Hardin-Baylor 11 11.1
Jeff Schebler, Whitewater 42 8.9
Joel Munoz, Mary Hardin-Baylor 42 8.9
Patrick Oliver, Mary Hardin-Baylor 113 6.9
Chris Owen, Mary Hardin-Baylor 282 5.0
Justin Beaver, Whitewater 351 4.3
Matt, Gifford, Whitewater NR

All Purpose (500 ranked)
Justin Beaver, Whitewater 11 179.0
Jarvis Thrasher, Mary Hardin-Baylor 27 158.1
Quincy Daniels, Mary Hardin-Baylor 38 149.7
Neil Mrkvicka, Whitewater 60 132.1
Chris Owen, Mary Hardin-Baylor 475 66.3

Punt Returns (500 ranked)
Brett Parker, Mary Hardin-Baylor 15 14.5
Neil Mrkvicka, Whitewater 93 8..5

Kickoff Returns (500 ranked)
Neil Mrkvicka, Whitewater 196 8.6

Field Goals Per Game (500 ranked)
Jeff Schebler, Whitewater 1 1.9
Joel Munoz, Mary Hardin-Baylor 66 0.7
James Crawford, Mary Hardin-Baylor 178 0.2

Punting (500 ranked)
Nick Croak, Whitewater 37 39.3
Joel Munoz, Mary Hardin-Baylor (does not meet minimum of 3.6 punts per game) NR

Interceptions (500 ranked)
Ben Farley, Whitewater 31 0.6
Brett Parker, Mary Hardin-Baylor 97 0.4
Derr Williams, Mary Hardin-Baylor 97 0.4
Jace Rindahl, Whitewater 125 0.4
Andy Murray, Whitewater 225 0.3
Bryson Tucker, Mary Hardin-Baylor NR
Elliot Barcak, Mary Hardin-Baylor NR
Clayton Burris, Mary Hardin-Baylor NR
Tim Kennedy, Mary Hardin-Baylor NR
Jeremy Salinas, Mary Hardin-Baylor NR
Troney Shumpert, Whitewater NR
Matt Blaziewski, Whitewater NR

Total Tackles (500 ranked)
Jerrell Freeman, Mary Hardin-Baylor 209 7.9
Jace Rindahl, Whitewater NR

Solo Tackles (500 ranked)
Andy Murray, Whitewater 331 4.0
Jerrell Freeman, Mary Hardin-Baylor 451 3.7
Tristan Borzick, Whitewater NR
Jace Rindahl, Whitewater NR

Pass Sacks (500 ranked)
Anthony White, Whitewater 17 1.1
Ryan Ogrizovich, Whitewater 20 1.0
Chad Hilton, Mary Hardin-Baylor 44 0.9
Eric Henri, Mary Hardin-Baylor 99 0.6
Josh Jackson, Whitewater 134 0.6
Aj Raebel, Whitewater 330 0.4
Mark Manning, Mary Hardin-Baylor 386 0.4
Jason Miller, Mary Hardin-Baylor 386 0.4
Bryson Tucker, Mary Hardin-Baylor 457 0.3

Tackles For Loss (500 ranked)
Chad Hilton, Mary Hardin-Baylor 102 1.4
Jerrell Freeman, Mary Hardin-Baylor 130 1.3
Eric Henri, Mary Hardin-Baylor 130 1.3
Ryan Ogrizovich, Whitewater 209 1.1
Anthony White, Whitewater 255 1.1
Aj Raebel, Whitewater 400 0.9
William Dewease, Mary Hardin-Baylor 405 0.9
Ben Beckworth, Mary Hardin-Baylor 471 0.8
Mark Manning, Mary Hardin-Baylor 471 0.8
Josh Jackson, Whitewater NR

Forced Fumbles (500 ranked)
Chad Hilton, Mary Hardin-Baylor 61 0.3
Josh Jackson, Whitewater 61 0.3
Jason Miller, Mary Hardin-Baylor 61 0.3
Eric Henri, Mary Hardin-Baylor 61 0.3
Mark Balderas, Mary Hardin-Baylor 209 0.2
Marco Coppola, Mary Hardin-Baylor 209 0.2
Aj Raebel, Whitewater 209 0.2
John Hamilton, Mary Hardin--Baylor 209 0.2
Ben Beckworth, Mary Hardin-Baylor 339 0.1
Brett Parker, Mary Hardin-Baylor 339 0.1
Jace Rindahl, Whitewater 339 0.1
Andy Murray, Whitewater 339 0.1

Passes Defended (500 ranked)
Brett Parker, Mary Hardin-Baylor 17 1.7
Ben Farley, Whitewater 121 1.1
Elliot Barcak, Mary Hardin-Baylor 155 1.0
Derr Williams, Mary Hardin-Baylor 249 0.9
Jerrell Freeman, Mary Hardin-Baylor 249 0.9
Calvin Fleming, Mary Hardin-Baylor 249 0.9
Matt Blaziewski, Whitewater 339 0.7
Jace Rindahl, Whitewater 339 0.7
Gabe Schultz, Whitewater 339 0.7
Clayton Burris, Mary Hardin-Baylor NR

Passing Yards (500 ranked)
Danny Jones, Whitewater 94 1232.0
Josh Welch, Mary Hardin-Baylor 166 794.0
Josh Saenz, Mary Hardin-Baylor 249 262.0
Chris Owen, Mary Hardin-Baylor 360 12.0

Rushing Yards (500 ranked)
Justin Beaver, Whitewater 2 1248.0
Jarvis Thrasher, Mary Hardin-Baylor 6 1087.0
Quincy Daniels, Mary Hardin-Baylor 19 844.0
Chris Owen, Mary Hardin-Baylor 326 258.0
Josh Saenz, Mary Hardin-Baylor NR
Jake Anderson, Whitewater NR

Receiving Yards (500 ranked)
Neil Mrkvicka,Whitewater 68 540.0
Patrick Oliver, Mary Hardin-Baylor 208 357.0
Matt Gifford, Whitewater NR

Passing Yards Per Game (500 ranked)
Danny Jones, Whitewater 105 176.0
Josh Welch, Mary Hardin-Baylor 171 113.4
Josh Saenz, Mary Hardin-Baylor 248 37.4
Chris Owen, Mary Hardin-Baylor 357 2.0

used2b · October 23, 2007, 05:07:17 PM

roocru,
I see you keep racking up the karma numbers, by breaking out these types of impressive stats.

I'd like to give you a karma point, but I don't think I'm eligible. Or maybe its because I'm too ignorant to figure out the system.

roocru · October 23, 2007, 05:29:12 PM

Quote from: used2b on October 23, 2007, 05:07:17 PM
roocru,
I see you keep racking up the karma numbers, by breaking out these types of impressive stats. I'd like to give you a karma point, but I don't think I'm eligible. Or maybe its because I'm too ignorant to figure out the system.

Thanks used2b,

I appreciate your gesture.

I don't do it for the Karma but because I like for people to see some real numbers to base their conclusions on. I know that many times statistics are deceiving but they give us a place to start our discussions.

Hang in there on the karma. You will get enough posts sooner than you think!!