FB: American Southwest Conference

[Kelly Boggs]

Thanks crufootball. It didn't sound like something UMHB would do. You might want to post your explanation on the WIAC board. Some of them are making more out of the situation than is warranted.

[McM Blue Devil]

I will agree with Ralph that the whole conference has taken a hit from the UMHB game on Saturday, for that matter the whole state of Texas has taken a hit. I have learned that people up north at times have a perception that us Texans get too big for our britches.  There is nothing wrong with having pride in our state or our school. That is why in my post last week I politely warned we not get too cocky about our chances.  Being confident is one thing, cocky is another.  UMHB fans, please don't take this the worng way.  You are the class of the ASC and I am cheering for you throughout the playoffs.  

[finkle89]

Is there another link to the Miracle finish of the Trinity Game, it says that the link on the front page You Tube article is no longer available. Also does anyone know exactly how many laterals there were??

Thank you. 

[drinkxs.com]

in response to williethewarkhawk on the daily dose

i was at the game on saturday, the cru players did exactly what they normally do at the end of their pregame warm ups. (home or away) it was not intended to disrespect uww or its fans.

i am not sure why the cru missed the singing of the national anthem; however anyone who knows the character of coach fred or the school president knows that it was not intentional or disrespect of our country or brave soldiers. i am sure it was a timing issue.

according to our players, the uww players were hard playing football players with class; however i question some, not all of the uww FANS when they started screaming and repeating "BullSH....." after one of the few penalites agains them, like they do at the NFL games. To me, this is "classless". I have been to all home games and traveled to every game the Cru has played and have never heard fans do that before in D3.

i am not sure of the D3 rules, but a campus police officer showed up on our side during the first quarter to stop one umhb student from blowing an artificial horn, "noise maker." there was even an announcement from the press box as to not blowing the horn; however i did not here an announcement from the press box when some of the fans were chanting "BULLSH..." even thought the press box did announce before the game that bad language by the fans would not be tollerated.

bottom line......we loss the game, we will return next week mentally and physically preparted to win agains a tough etbu team. i agree with rick a's assessment of the game

[dsc]

Is there another link to the Miracle finish of the Trinity Game, it says that the link on the front page You Tube article is no longer available. Also does anyone know exactly how many laterals there were??

Thank you. 

89, If I recall correctly...ESPN said there were 15 laterals...in 62 seconds.

[Pat Coleman]

Is there another link to the Miracle finish of the Trinity Game, it says that the link on the front page You Tube article is no longer available. Also does anyone know exactly how many laterals there were??

Thank you. 

http://www.d3football.com/dailydose/2007/10/28/trinity-millsaps-and-the-must-see-moment

[footballfan413]

I just posted this on the WIAC board regarding my take on the pre-game issues. I wanted you all to know as a Warhawk fan, I never thought anything other than that your program, players and fans were terrific.  I understand that the loss probably did not make for easy travels home but I hope you did enjoy your time in Wisconsin and felt that your great hospitality that we enjoyed last year in Texas was repayed.  Good luck to the Cru with the rest of the season. 


About this jumping on the "W,"......... please............it never even occurred to me that there was any disrespect intended when going to that spot and gathering at the center of the field seemed like a natural place to me.  The anthem was unfortunate but I won't believe it was because of anything other than a miscommunication. A program whose students have a rep for certain kinds of chants, should not be jumping to conclusions regarding other programs behaviors, IMO.  You know, the old, "glass house and stones," theory.  This home/home agreement between this two top national programs has been a tremendous experience for both as far as I am concerned.  The Cru's players, fans and coaching staff and community were terrific to the Hawks fans and players last year and I hope they feel the same after their time spent in Wisconsin. 

[formerd3db]

The only thing missing in the Trinity miracle finish last play this weekend was the band and it's trombone player!   like the infamous "The Play" Cal-Stanford.  Anyway, that Trinity-Millsaps play has to be one of the greatest in college football at all levels including ranking right up with "The Play".  It is just great to watch, except, of course, for the losing team understandably. 

[yessir]

Just back from Chicago........what a hectic city.
First off I would like to give UWW their props. They have a great team, that found our weaknesses and capitalized off of them. They had a very large and "Intimidating" stadium. Most of the fans were very nice and respectful, except for the group shouting "Bull##it..." during the game and the several UW fans that felt like they had to stand behind the visitor stands to watch the game. Other than that, UWW was a top notch program, both on the field and off. They definately have something to be proud about. Enough with UW talk.....

To touch on a couple comments made....
PA_wesleyfan....let's just hope that Wesley doesn't schedule Montclair State again this year. I would hate for yall to finish 8-2 and have to take that record into the playoffs. A Montclair team at 6-2 is uncomparable to a UW team that has been a nationally dominate team for the past years. I think you need to go back to your own board and discuss why your team lost to a team that is 6-2.

Aminochino....You remind me of several HSU fans in 2004. You should look them up and ask them what their trash talk got them.......so you keep running your mouth.

National Anthem......Of the 4 years and 47 games I played as a Crusader I can't remember singing the National Anthem one time. This is not because of disrespect to our country. UMHB has a very well mapped out pre-game routine. They don't like to break routine. During the singing of the national anthem, they were probably saying the same prayer that they've been saying for 10 years before a game.  Then they come out and get hyped up and then run onto the field. Thus, they are not standing around on the sidelines for 10 minutes.

Jumping in the center of the field.......Also something I, as a crusader, did 47 out of 47 games. Mount Union didn't seem to have a problem with it. I don't see why it's a big deal. It's just something that the CRU does before the game. Live with it......

Now to the game.....
To me the opening kickoff means alot to the pace of a game. UMHB's on saturday, set the pace of the whole game in my opinion. A ball lands on the 5 yard line, it should be returned. Not roll into the enzone and the two return guys just looking at each other. I'm sure that was addressed during film session on sunday. Special teams film session sucks, cause you get yelled at in front of the whole team, not just your position group. Also, can we give up on the fake reverse on the kickoff returns. It is really killing your offense starting on the 18 yard line. It worked against Sul Ross, but it hasn't been working for a while now. The one really good return we had, they didn't do the fake. UWW has a great team, but they are definately not 3 touchdowns and 3 FG's better than the CRU. The turnovers killed us. 2 of the INT's the reciever was eyed from the snap of the ball. When playing a great team, you can't make them mistakes. On the other INT, there were recievers open, they were just missed. With that said, I think the o-line did a great job on protecting Welch on the pass. He was pressured several times, but that's football. Even Tom Brady gets pressured every once and a while. UWW found UMHB's greatest weakness. Their inability to effectively and efficiently throw the ball. In the weeks to come, hopefully the CRU will be working on that. The running game was pretty good for the CRU. I would of like to seen less tackles being made by the D-line but Coach George will get that straightened out. I think the first team o-line has a pretty good challenge this week. To perform better than the 2nd team o-line. The 2nd team o-line made a statement on saturday if you ask me. They got into the game and started moving the ball. Something the 1st team was having a problem with up untill that point. It seemed like evertime the CRU started gaining momentum something took it away. It was either a turnover or a tossing of frizbees during a timeout. (Who stops the game on a huge 3rd and 3 to acknowledge the Volleyball team. This is a football game, acknowledge them at Halftime. Don't stop the game on a 3rd and 3 to do that. That seemed a little fishy to me. Once it was throwing fisbee's that was holding up the game. Come one let's be smart, which is what UW was doing. I doubt them incidents were a coincidence.) Bottom line is, UW has a great team and you can't shoot yourself in the football like UMHB did and expect anything less than a 41-14 stomping. Take away the 2 turnover that were for TD's and the 2 that put UW within their own 20, and it is a close game.

To touch on the penalties....The UW center was popping his head, which is why UMHB was jumping offsides. This is something centers are told to do against an attacking defense like UMHB's.  Also, the Wisconsin Refs were short of horrible. Several calls were made and not made that the average little league referee could of made. They were definatley routing for home team. I'm still trying to research the huge offsides penalty on the punt where our players didn't make contact, nor was he in the nuetral zone whenever the ball was snapped. Which are both things that have to be done, for an offsides penalty to be called.

All in all I think the CRU can take this loss and learn from it. People are going to kick you while your down. That's just how haters are. Let's just take care of business and keep rolling. Sorry for book, i've been holding thatin all weekend.

[yessir]

Also, I think the CRU defensive deserves alot of props. Holding UW to less than 100 yards rushing and holding Beaver to 77 yards on 29 carries. He averages 170+ a game. Also sacking Jones 3 times for a loss of 26 yards. All in all  I think they outperformed the UW defense, minus the turnovers.

I think UMHB was drastically outperformed on Special teams. I didn't see but 2 descent returns all day long. The others either hit ground before they were fielded, or were muffed. I think the strong erratic wind in the UW bowl stadium had alot to do with that.

I still think the CRU is the team to beat in the South. I mean they did lose to a very dominate No. 3 team in the nation. On a day that they played their worst game against their best opponent. They didn't lose to a 6-2 team like Montclair State. Nor are they scheduling 2-6 teams like W&J. I definately think they still have a chance to have their own bracket if they win out. Thus, hosting the first 3 games and then traveling for the semi's. That's if they are able to make it that far, which I think they can.

Let's turn this ship in the right direction and keep rolling. GO CRU!!!

[footballfan413]

1.  It seemed like evertime the CRU started gaining momentum something took it away. It was either a turnover or a tossing of frizbees during a timeout. (Who stops the game on a huge 3rd and 3 to acknowledge the Volleyball team. This is a football game, acknowledge them at Halftime. Don't stop the game on a 3rd and 3 to do that. That seemed a little fishy to me. Once it was throwing fisbee's that was holding up the game. Come one let's be smart, which is what UW was doing. I doubt them incidents were a coincidence.)  

2.  Also, the Wisconsin Refs were short of horrible. Several calls were made and not made that the average little league referee could of made. They were definatley routing for home team. I'm still trying to research the huge offsides penalty on the punt where our players didn't make contact, nor was he in the nuetral zone whenever the ball was snapped. Which are both things that have to be done, for an offsides penalty to be called.

Well, at the risk of negating my good will and any Karma points from the last post, I will address two of your points. 

1.  Nothing fishy about the frisbee promotion and recognizing accomplishments of other teams.  It is done each and every week during short breaks in the game.  In fact, every week there is a winner from the frisbee toss and the two students with the most at the end of the season square off at the last home game to win a bike.  Meant to encourage students to attend games.  Corny, I know, but hardly a calculated effort to disrupt the Cru's momentum!   

2.  Stats don't really back up your claim that the refs were, "routing for the home team."  The Cru got 13 for 87 yards and the Hawks got 9 for 85 yards.  Cru got 4 more but the yardage was almost identical.  Your 2nd TD came off a series of calls on the Hawks defense which began when the DB was called for spiking the ball on 3rd and short when he didn't get the interception call he thought he deserved.  And let's not forget the bench warning call on the Hawks HC.  Apparently he took issue with some of the calls as well.     Great officiating, probably not, but those numbers tell me that the calls went pretty much both ways, bad or otherwise.

[footballfan413]

All in all  I think they outperformed the UW defense, minus the turnovers.

Ya, this statement is pretty bold....................I am not going to even go there. 

[yessir]

3 calls stand out in my mind.......All three either called or not called by the ref on the UMHB sidelines.

The offsides on the punt that was huge. Which the UMHB player never made contact with a UW player, nor was the ball snapped while he was in the nuetral zone.

The 15 yard Unsportsmanlike penalty on Barcak far hittin Jones on the sidelines. Jones was running for the first down marker, he stepped out of bounds right as Barcak hit him. Yet the ref called a 15 yard penalty. If Barcak wouldn't of hit him he would of definately gotten the first, yet he probably didn't.

One play were Jones threw the ball into the UMHB sidelines avoiding a sack, while he was clearly still within the tackles.

All three would of been caught by most Junior High referee's, yet were not. Other than them three calls, and the countless offsides penalty's were the UW center was popping his head. The officaiting was pretty fair.

[yessir]

All in all  I think they outperformed the UW defense, minus the turnovers.

Ya, this statement is pretty bold....................I am not going to even go there. 

I'll go there.
First and foremost.......Justin Beavers.
The guys has averaged 29 carries per game. With a total of 178.3 yards a game.
Yet the UMHB defense holds him to 77 yards on 29 carries. 23 of which came on the first TD of the game.  This is a guy who is second in the nation with 1248 rushing yards through 7 games. He has 8-200+ yard games in his career. Yet he couldn't manage to get 100+ against the stout CRU defense. When's the last time a team has held him under 100+ yards. Answer that question?

The CRU Offense passed the ball 29 times, yet gave up one sack. UW passed the ball 19 times and was sacked 3 times. However, Jones was scrambling quite often.

The Cru offense ran the ball 46 times for 162 yards, compared to the 45 rushes for 92 yards for UW.

Due to the lack of Special teams for the Crusaders. UMHB started their drives in UW territory all but once, which was the bad snap on the UW punt.  Whereas, UW started in UMHB territory 5 times including the 2 interceptions for TD's. 4 of which lead to scores. It's always easier to defend on a long field, compared to trying to defend when your opponents starts on your 9 yard line.

UMHB lead the 3rd down conversion pct., total yardage, rushing yards, sacks, TFL,  as well as the First Downs.

The only defensive catagory that UW lead was the one that won the game for them. THe turnovers. Take the turnovers away and we all could be talking about a different outcome. The turnovers were very uncharacteristic for the cru seeing that UMHB is second in the nation in turnover margin with +2.4 a game. Right behind Whitworth that has +2.7 a game.

Like i've said before, UMHB had their worst game of the year against their best opponent. I would rather the worst game of the year happen in week 8, than in week 12.

[footballfan413]

Coming into this game,  "UMHB averages 379.9 rushing yards and 57.3 points per game."   

       Got 162 yards rushing and 14 points.

Jarvis Thrasher      20   75    8   67  0 14  3.3
Quincy Daniels       16   62   11   51  2 13  3.2

UWW Defense did a little shutting down themselves.  Both defenses negated the run, both teams had to pass to win it.
UWW did it better.
              BTW, UW is the Badgers in Madison.