Pool B

[K-Mack]

With Capital losing, there could be a greater chance that a "B" steals a "C". Would a two-loss Wesley team make it? If Case loses to Wash U., do both get in?

One thing Wesley has going for it is its schedule. Montclair got pummeled today, which doesn't help, but say they didn't and they won the NJAC (or somehow still do)

They will have played possible playoff teams in Widener/Delaware Valley (MAC Champ and runner-up?), N.C. Wesleyan (USAC champ?), Salisbury (ACFC champ?) and Montclair (NJAC champ?) ... which would both help their OWP and OOWP, and also anecdotally make a really good case for them, even with a second loss.

For Wesley fans, to be safe, I'd root for a W over Salisbury (as though they weren't going to until I told them that), but they'd have a good a case as any at-large if those teams keep winning.

Capital is one of the few teams who isn't "done" with its second loss, but there was a year with the second-tier OACs all picked each other off and none made it. '04 maybe?

Case and Wash U., in theory, both at 9-1 would have a shot.

It's hard to believe there wouldn't be enough runners-up from powerful leagues to bump one of them, but with the craziness in the WIAC and OAC and ASC, they made grade out better.

Wash U. might actually edge North Central by virtue of the h2h win.

[Bob.Gregg]

Pool B Impact Games this week:

1. Salisbury (8-0 / 4-0) at 3. Wesley (7-1 / 5-1)

2. Case Western Reserve (7-0 / 5-0) at Chicago (3-3)

4. Whitworth (5-2 / 5-1) at Willamette (3-4 / 3-2)

5. Washington (6-1 / 6-1) at Carnegie-Mellon (3-4)

6. Linfield (4-2 / 3-1) at Menlo (1-7)


Bubble:  Rockford (5-2) vs. Northwestern College (MN) (6-2), Friday at Metrodome

Bubble at best:  Pacific Lutheran (5-2 / 5-2) vs. Lewis & Clark (0-6)

Bubble at best:  Willamette (3-4 / 3-2) vs. 4. Whitworth (5-2 / 5-1)

[altor]

Salisbury (8-0 / 6-0)

This one has been confusing me.  Their schedule page only shows 4 in-region games so far, yet they are consistently shown in this thread as having more than that.  The OWP/OOWP page also only a 3-0 record (page posted before their win on Saturday).

[Ralph Turner]

 Sep. 1      1:00 PM      Albright  •      W, 42-12      (In-region, by 200-mile radius rule)
      
Sep. 8    1:00 PM    at Brockport State *    W, 40-14    (Not in-region...The ACFC is not an officially recognized conference.  Brockport St does not qualify as in-region for any of the other 3 definitions.  This is one reason that Brockport benefits from moving to the NJAC.)
      
Sep. 15    1:00 PM    at Christopher Newport •    W, 35-21    (In-region, South Region opponent)
      
Sep. 22    1:00 PM    Delaware Valley •    W, 36-16    (In-region, 200-mile radius rule)
      
Sep. 29    1:00 PM    Newport News *    W, 62-14    (Not in-region.  NNA is not a full member of the NCAA, atho' games against NNA  are recognized for the sake of records, stats, etc.)
      
Oct. 6    6:00 PM    at Geneva    W, 20-7    (Not in-region; first year provisional)
      
Oct. 13    1:00 PM    at Morrisville State    W, 56-20 (Not in-region, second year provisional)   
      
Oct. 20    1:00 PM    Becker •    W, 79-20    (In-Region, by definition of Adminstrative Region 1)


Great pick-up, altor!  That's another one!  +1! 
   

[Bob.Gregg]

Editing as you type...

My apologies.

[altor]

Thanks Ralph.  I thought conference games were included as in-region, which is why it confused me that Brockport wasn't counted.  I did know that Newport News wouldn't count though.

No apologies needed, Bob.  I only noticed because I took a closer look at Salisbury's schedule the other night in the OWP/OOWP conversation on the Pool C thread a couple days ago.

[Bob.Gregg]

Team (record/regional record)
Remaining Schedule (Regional Games in Bold)

1.  Case Western Reserve (8-0 / 6-0)
          Nov. 3  Washington (MO)
          Nov. 10  Ohio Wesleyan

2.  Wesley (8-1 / 6-1)
including win over Delaware Valley (24-21),
Win over NC Wesleyan
Win over Widener
win over Salisbury (20-13),
Loss to Montclair State (27-26)

          Nov. 10  At Morrisville State

3.  Whitworth (6-2 / 6-1)
including win over Pac.Lutheran (28-21),
Loss to Redlands, 24-12
Loss to Azusa Pacific (non-NCAA), 38-34

          Nov. 3  Linfield
          Nov. 10  At Puget South

4.  Salisbury (8-1 / 4-1)
including win over Christopher Newport (35-21)
Loss at Wesley, 20-13

          Nov. 10  Frostburg State

5.  Linfield (5-2 / 4-1)
Loss to Willamette, 33-32,
Loss to Western Ore., 32-20 (non-DIII)

          Nov. 3  At Whitworth
          Nov. 10  Lewis & Clark


Pool B Bubble (Need lots of help):
Washington (MO) (6-2 / 6-2)
including win over North Central (16-13),
Loss to Wheaton (55-14),
Loss to Carnegie-Mellon (18-13)

          Nov. 3  At Case Western Reserve
          Nov. 10  At Greenville

Pacific Lutheran (6-2 / 6-2)
Loss to Whitworth, 28-21,
Loss to Linfield, 24-0

          Nov. 10  Willamette

[PA_wesleyfan]

Team (record/regional record)
Remaining Schedule (Regional Games in Bold)

1.  Case Western Reserve (8-0 / 6-0)
Nov. 3  Washington (MO)
Nov. 10  Ohio Wesleyan

2.  Wesley (8-1 / 6-1)
including win over Delaware Valley (24-21),
win over Salisbury (20-13),
Loss to Montclair State (27-26)

Nov. 10  At Morrisville State

3.  Whitworth (6-2 / 6-1)
including win over Pac.Lutheran (28-21),
Loss to Redlands, 24-12
Loss to Azusa Pacific (non-NCAA), 38-34

Nov. 3  Linfield
Nov. 10  At Puget South

4.  Salisbury (8-1 / 4-1)
including win over Christopher Newport (35-21)
Loss at Wesley, 20-13

Nov. 10  Frostburg State

5.  Linfield (5-2 / 4-1)
Loss to Willamette, 33-32,
Loss to Western Ore., 32-20 (non-DIII)

Nov. 3  At Whitworth
Nov. 10  Lewis & Clark


Pool B Bubble (Need lots of help):
Washington (MO) (6-2 / 6-2)
including win over North Central (16-13),
Loss to Wheaton (55-14),
Loss to Carnegie-Mellon (18-13)

Nov. 3  At Case Western Reserve
Nov. 10  At Greenville

Pacific Lutheran (5-2 / 5-2)
Loss to Whitworth, 28-21,
Loss to Linfield, 24-0

Nov. 3  Lewis & Clark
Nov. 10  Willamette

Bob
Don't you think that Wesleys wins over Widener & NCW are more important now than the Del Val win?

[Ralph Turner]

Whitworth's OT win over Willamette is a very big win.

I think that the NWC gets one bid (either a B or a C), and it goes to the Linfield - Whitworth winner.

Wesley's season is essentially over.  Morrisville is a 2nd-year provisional team this year.

Salisbury has the rivalry game with Frostburg on the 10th.  I would not be surprised to see Salisbury as high as 3rd in the South Region Rankings next week.  The lack of in-region games really hurts Salisbury.  I hope that they can get a decent South Region schedule next year.

Case can run the table and get a bid.  There is very little doubt about that.

With all of the defeats that we saw in the South today, I think that any one loss team from a major conference gets a bid.

[Bob.Gregg]

Bob
Don't you think that Wesleys wins over Widener & NCW are more important now than the Del Val win?

I do.  I just didn't get around to writing all of that, or anybody else's "including wins" from the past two weeks...

Checking scores, watching World Series, Ohio State-Penn State, the Penguins and attending a wedding reception, not to mention trying to help my 12-year-old son understand why W&J's playoff berth would be different this year as compared to the Pool B's madness he's endured over the past 6 or so seasons.

As they say on PTI (knuckleheads), I'll try to do better the next time!

[speedybigboy]

Team (record/regional record)
Remaining Schedule (Regional Games in Bold)

1.  Case Western Reserve (8-0 / 6-0)
          Nov. 3  Washington (MO)
          Nov. 10  Ohio Wesleyan

2.  Wesley (8-1 / 6-1)
including win over Delaware Valley (24-21),
win over Salisbury (20-13),
Loss to Montclair State (27-26)

          Nov. 10  At Morrisville State

3.  Whitworth (6-2 / 6-1)
including win over Pac.Lutheran (28-21),
Loss to Redlands, 24-12
Loss to Azusa Pacific (non-NCAA), 38-34

          Nov. 3  Linfield
          Nov. 10  At Puget South

4.  Salisbury (8-1 / 4-1)
including win over Christopher Newport (35-21)
Loss at Wesley, 20-13

          Nov. 10  Frostburg State

5.  Linfield (5-2 / 4-1)
Loss to Willamette, 33-32,
Loss to Western Ore., 32-20 (non-DIII)

          Nov. 3  At Whitworth
          Nov. 10  Lewis & Clark


Pool B Bubble (Need lots of help):
Washington (MO) (6-2 / 6-2)
including win over North Central (16-13),
Loss to Wheaton (55-14),
Loss to Carnegie-Mellon (18-13)

          Nov. 3  At Case Western Reserve
          Nov. 10  At Greenville

Pacific Lutheran (5-2 / 5-2)
Loss to Whitworth, 28-21,
Loss to Linfield, 24-0

          Nov. 3  Lewis & Clark
          Nov. 10  Willamette

Bob, minor point, PLU vs. Lewis & Clark was today and my Lutes won.     Thanks for having them on the bubble (at best) but I don't see any way for them to get in.    THanks for your work on this.

I look down at the posts for a minute or so and the Red Sox get another 3 runs??

[Bob.Gregg]

Speedy,

thanks for the note.  GO RED SOX! (that's for my boy who loves Big Papi--got to meet him at the All-Star festivities in Pittsburgh last year).

Correction made.

6-2 with one to play...don't give up the ship.  Tough to make it, but many stranger things have happend....



PA-wesleyfan...got you wins listed.  Guess I should just put a schedule link in for each team too, along with a link to their OWP, and their OOWP, not to mention the conference standings....j/k with you...

[speedybigboy]

Wesley's season is essentially over.  Morrisville is a 2nd-year provisional team this year.

Ralph, I don't know much about the national scene in d3 but I'm just curious about why you feel Wesley is done even though they beat Salisbury?

[Bob.Gregg]

Wesley's REGULAR season is essentially over.  Morrisville is a 2nd-year provisional team this year.

Ralph meant REGULAR season.

[smedindy]

Probably 4 B's make it, stealing a C, unless Case stumbles against Wash U. and OWU. Even with one loss, Case may squeak in.