Pool B

[HSC85]

Mr. Ypsi,

Thanks for the great story from 1973.

[HSC85]

Any thoughts on Pool B teams besides Wesley? 

[Ralph Turner]

Any thoughts on Pool B teams besides Wesley?  

Wesley seems to be a lock.

Huntingdon picked up a nice win over Louisiana College.  A win over Millsaps this week really makes their case.

I think that the UAA will get a Pool B bid, probably CWRU.

IMHO, Salisbury is deep on the bubble.  If they can run the table, with wins over non-region Union, and teams that are likely to be regionally ranked such as Wesley and H-SC, then I think that they get a bid.

If Husson can beat Springfield, I think that puts them into contention.

[Mr. Ypsi]

WOW.  I love early speculation, too, but this is like discussing basketball pool B before Christmas!

[Ralph Turner]

WOW.  I love early speculation, too, but this is like discussing basketball pool B before Christmas!

Except that Wesley has 2 more in-region games left in the season, Frostburg and Salisbury.

I look at CWRU and review the pre-season evaluation in Kickoff 2009 and project a 9-1/10-0 season.

There are 2 of the three bids.

Whose is left in Pool B?

The ACFC plus LaGrange and Huntingdon.

The ECFC and the UMAC?

Chapman and Macalester?

[redswarm81]

Wesley has 2 more in-region games left in the season, Frostburg and Salisbury.

I look at CWRU and review the pre-season evaluation in Kickoff 2009 and project a 9-1/10-0 season.

There are 2 of the three bids.

Whose is left in Pool B?

The ACFC plus LaGrange and Huntingdon.

The ECFC and the UMAC?

Chapman and Macalester?

Is the Empire   6   8 not in Pool B this year?

[Ralph Turner]

Wesley has 2 more in-region games left in the season, Frostburg and Salisbury.

I look at CWRU and review the pre-season evaluation in Kickoff 2009 and project a 9-1/10-0 season.

There are 2 of the three bids.

Whose is left in Pool B?

The ACFC plus LaGrange and Huntingdon.

The ECFC and the UMAC?

Chapman and Macalester?

Is the Empire  6  8 not in Pool B this year?

The official handbook has not been released but I think that the Empire 8 needs to bring on 2 affiliates (Frostburg State and Salisbury) by the start of the 2011 season to maintain their Pool A bid.

[redswarm81]

Wesley has 2 more in-region games left in the season, Frostburg and Salisbury.

I look at CWRU and review the pre-season evaluation in Kickoff 2009 and project a 9-1/10-0 season.

There are 2 of the three bids.

Whose is left in Pool B?

The ACFC plus LaGrange and Huntingdon.

The ECFC and the UMAC?

Chapman and Macalester?

Is the Empire  6  8 not in Pool B this year?

The official handbook has not been released but I think that the Empire 8 needs to bring on 2 affiliates (Frostburg State and Salisbury) by the start of the 2011 season to maintain their Pool A bid.

Meaning that they retain their Pool A bid until the 2011 season, even if they don't bring on 2 affiliates by then?

[Ralph Turner]

Wesley has 2 more in-region games left in the season, Frostburg and Salisbury.

I look at CWRU and review the pre-season evaluation in Kickoff 2009 and project a 9-1/10-0 season.

There are 2 of the three bids.

Whose is left in Pool B?

The ACFC plus LaGrange and Huntingdon.

The ECFC and the UMAC?

Chapman and Macalester?

Is the Empire  6  8 not in Pool B this year?

The official handbook has not been released but I think that the Empire 8 needs to bring on 2 affiliates (Frostburg State and Salisbury) by the start of the 2011 season to maintain their Pool A bid.

Meaning that they retain their Pool A bid until the 2011 season, even if they don't bring on 2 affiliates by then?

They need to get one affiliate by 2011.

The E8 is Pool A in the 2009 and 2010 season.

[Pat Coleman]

Yes, there's a two-year grace period to hang onto an automatic bid once you've earned it.

[K-Mack]

Mr. Ypsi,

Thanks for the great story from 1973.

Ypsi is full of great stories. I particularly liked that one too.

I agree with Ralph that I've never heard of a selection committee factoring injuries into account.

The committees are human, though, as we've learned, so even things not in the listed criteria occasionally creep into the minds. I think the line is probably drawn somewhere before injuries though.

[altor]

In 2000, the D-I Basketball Committee gave Cincinnati a hit after Kenyon Martin suffered a season ending injury in the C-USA tournament.  I couldn't find an article regarding that incident specificlly, but I did find this one about Marquette last year that cited the UC seed in 2000.  http://www.athlonsports.com/college-basketball/16410/big-east-injury-could-impact-eagles-seeding

In the 1999-2000 season, Cincinnati was looking at a No. 1 seed in the NCAA Tournament. Then national player of the year Kenyon Martin broke his foot in the Conference USA Tournament against Saint Louis. Cincinnati lost that game and Martin was out for the year.

The NCAA selection committee viewed Cincinnati as a new team without Martin and dropped the Bearcats to a No. 2 seed. Cincinnati lost in the second round of the NCAA Tournament.

Tranghese was the chair of the NCAA committee that year.

"Cincinnati was arguably the No. 1 overall team in the country,'' he said. "What the committee had to decide was how good was Cincinnati without Kenyon Martin. Some on the committee thought they should be a No. 3. We put them as a No. 2 seed.''

My apologies if you were only referencing D-III and/or football.

[Ralph Turner]

Altor...

Yeah, it was D-1 and not D-III, but you gave us the documentation to the incident!   That makes for good reading.

+1!

[HSC85]

It doesn't surprise me that in DI the selection committee for the basketball tournament would "manage" the process.  It seems in both football and basketball they have one eye on the big conferences and the other on the money.

It would be really difficult to say team A would have won two more games if they had not had the injuries and therefore they deserve to get into a tournament.

[altor]

When you see the first release of the Handbook, please post the link for all of us.  

2009 DIVISION III FOOTBALL CHAMPIONSHIP HANDBOOK (Updated 10/12/2009)