Pool B

[DutchFan2004]

So if I digested this all correctly,  the NWC does not have to get a pool B bid.  Some other conference could take two pool B bids and leave the NWC out?  Then the West may get an extra pool C bid such as taking and extra IIAC, WIAC, and MIAC team? So that these conferences would have 6 teams instead of the 5 they have gotten before.  I am not saying that these conferences are locks for them but using it as an example.  IIAC 1, WIAC 3, MIAC 2 or something of that nature.  But with the NWC beating each other up this is a possibility is it not?

[Ralph Turner]

Yes, kinda.  There is no predetermined number of bids assigned to a region.

AS Pool C and Pool B teams start to come into focus, one can see how the teams are jockeying for the at-large bids.

Please go back to the Pool B and Pool C discussions that we had in the 7th -10th weeks of 2006. 

Pool B discussion in 2006

The IIAC just might get a Pool C bid this year.  I think that the chances of a Pool C bid for the WIAC are very good, if they don't knock each off.

[K-Mack]

Agree on both IIAC and WIAC. Maybe even MIAC if Olaf knocks off the Johnnies, or even if they don't.

The thing is, it all depends on how everyone stacks up relatively at the end of the year. Some years there will be a two-loss at-large lock, some years there will be one-loss teams a TD from being undefeated who don't stack up and sit home.

I'm sure there's a way for the NWC to still get two bids, if things fall into place and the UAA and ACFC beat on each other or have upsets. You never know.

[Bob.Gregg]

After tomorrow's games, I'll put the skinny together on the contenders & pretenders in Pool B, as a public service to the Pool B, well, public...

[K-Mack]

whoo hoo!

[d-train]

Still going to be a while before the NWC sorts itself out. PLU and Linfield have a conference loss each; while Whitworth and Willamette each have one non-conference, regional D3 loss. Only two of the six total games among the four teams have been played...and there isn't one on the slate for this weekend.

[repete]

Last weekend really seemed to alter the West landscape quite a bit ...with the noteable exception of the NWC.

--WIAC carnage has started (with UWW above the fray). UWLX probably blew its season but will have a lot to say in whether the league gets a 2nd team in. I'm guessing a 2nd team might not work out. Life is tough and so is the WIAC ... (although there were some interesting comments by John O'Grady about UWW/SJU last weekend ...)

--If SJU and St. Olaf win out, it would be pretty hard to deny the Oles a spot. Bethel's stinker vs. BVU  means the Royals need to win out or get an unlikely combination of other Ole/Johnnie losses. The league's in pretty good shape for 2nd team, if Oles get it done but it's tough to see any 2-loss team getting in without the AQ.

-- IIAC could very well come down to last week of the season and if Wartburg loses that loss to the Auggies could sink them and leave Central as the lone rep.

--In the SCIAC, Oxy established itself as favorite but Cal Lutheran could shake up league. Will two teams come from here? Is Redlands a candidate if it wins out but misses the AQ?

Am I on the right path here?

[d-train]

Will two teams come from here? Is Redlands a candidate if it wins out but misses the AQ?

I normally wouldn't think of the SCIAC as a likely two-bid conference. But an 8-1 (well...7-1 vs. D3) Redlands team with a win at Whitworth could be fairly attractive (depending on the rest of the Pool C field, obviously). I would imagine that the Pirates final position in the NWC standings (or Regional Rankings) will impact the Bulldogs to some degree.

[Bob.Gregg]

Am I on the right path here?

You might be on the right path, repete, but not "here".

Other than the NWC note, none of the items listed are "Pool B" material...

But good info.

[repete]

Yeah, Bob, I know. At times, these discussions muddle together.

I was reacting to KMack's note about possible multiple spots for  the IIAC, WIAC and MIAC. The discussion got sidetracked a bit before I came along... and ought to be in the Pool C talk.

[Bob.Gregg]

Sorry this took so long, fellas.  For some reason, my boss thought I actually should be working the past two days....

Team (record/regional record)
Remaining Schedule (Regional Games in Bold)

Salisbury (6-0/5-0)  including win over Christopher Newport (35-21)
At Morrisville State
Becker
At Wesley
Frostburg State

Case Western Reserve (5-0/4-0)
At CMU
St. Vincent
At Chicago
Washington (MO)
Ohio Wesleyan

Wesley (5-1/5-1) including win over Delaware Valley (24-21), Loss to Montclair State (27-26)
At Newport News
At Brockport State
Salisbury
At Morrisville State

Whitworth (4-1/4-1) including win over Pac.Lutheran (28-21), Loss to Redlands, 24-12
At Lewis & Clark
At Azusa Pacific (non-NCAA)
At Willamette
Linfield
At Puget South

Pacific Lutheran (4-1/4-1) Loss to Whitworth, 28-21
Menlo
At Linfield
Lewis & Clark
Willamette

Washington (5-1/5-1) including win over North Central (16-13), Loss to Wheaton (55-14)
Chicago
At Carnegie-Mellon
At Case Western Reserve
At Greenville

Linfield (2-2/2-1) Loss to Willamette, 33-32, Loss to Western Ore., 32-20
At Southern Oregon (non-DIII)
Pacific Lutheran
At Menlo
At Whitworth
Lewis & Clark

Chicago (3-1/3-1) Loss to Elmhurst, 36-13
At Washington (MO)
Carnegie-Mellon
Case Western Reserve
At Northwestern (MN)
Eureka

Willamette (2-3/2-1) Loss to Gustavus Adolphus, 34-25, Loss Western Oregon, 23-9 (non-DIII), Loss to Southern Oregon, 34-27 (non-NCAA)
At Puget Sound
At Menlo
Whitworth
At Lewis & Clark
Pacific Lutheran

[Ralph Turner]

Sorry this took so long, fellas.  For some reason, my boss thought I actually should be working the past two days....

Team (record/regional record)
Remaining Schedule (Regional Games in Bold)

Salisbury (6-0/5-0)  including win over Christopher Newport (35-21)
At Morrisville State
Becker
At Wesley
Frostburg State

Case Western Reserve (5-0/4-0)
At CMU
St. Vincent
At Chicago
Washington (MO)
Ohio Wesleyan

Wesley (5-1/5-1) including win over Delaware Valley (24-21), Loss to Montclair State (27-26)
At Newport News
At Brockport State
Salisbury
At Morrisville State

Whitworth (4-1/4-1) including win over Pac.Lutheran (28-21), Loss to Redlands, 24-12
At Lewis & Clark
At Azusa Pacific (non-NCAA)
At Willamette
Linfield
At Puget South

Pacific Lutheran (4-1/4-1) Loss to Whitworth, 28-21
Menlo
At Linfield
Lewis & Clark
Willamette

Washington (5-1/5-1) including win over North Central (16-13), Loss to Wheaton (55-14)
Chicago
At Carnegie-Mellon
At Case Western Reserve
At Greenville

Linfield (2-2/2-1) Loss to Willamette, 33-32, Loss to Western Ore., 32-20
At Southern Oregon (non-DIII)
Pacific Lutheran
At Menlo
At Whitworth
Lewis & Clark

Chicago (3-1/3-1) Loss to Elmhurst, 36-13
At Washington (MO)
Carnegie-Mellon
Case Western Reserve
At Northwestern (MN)
Eureka

Games amongst "Pool B contenders" are in italics!

Thanks Bob!  +1

[Ron Boerger]

I'm trying to figure out who keeps smiting Bob.  Whoever it is is one persistent SOB who probably needs to get a life.

[d-train]

At this point, Willamette still has only one D3 loss. Wins over Linfield and Cal Lutheran with a loss to the Gusties. (Other losses to NAIA Southern Oregon and NCAA D2 Western Oregon). They don't look real strong at 2-3, but if the committee truly views that as 2-1 and they can play their way past Whitworth and PLU (both are home games for the Bearcats) then they are probably in at 7-1, right?

[Bob.Gregg]

d-train,

You're thoughts on Willamette are right on.  They are part of the "rest of my list" (that's part of the reason I didn't do this until after 10/15 last year).

Willamette (2-3/2-1) Loss to Gustavus Adolphus, 34-25, Loss Western Oregon, 23-9 (non-DIII), Loss to Southern Oregon, 34-27 (non-NCAA)
At Puget Sound
At Menlo
Whitworth
At Lewis & Clark
Pacific Lutheran

Here's the rest of the "list"
Need lots of help:
Husson (4-2)
Martin Luther (4-2)
Rockford (4-2)