Pool B

[speedybigboy]

Wesley's REGULAR season is essentially over.  Morrisville is a 2nd-year provisional team this year.

Ralph meant REGULAR season.

oh, okay, after I posted I thought maybe that was what he meant

thanks

[Ralph Turner]

Wesley's REGULAR season is essentially over.  Morrisville is a 2nd-year provisional team this year.

Ralph meant REGULAR season.

Yes.  Bob has my back!

On the ASC board, I guessed that South Bracket would look like this (after 9 weeks of results):

#1  W&J
#8  Muhlenberg

#4 Salisbury
#6 ODAC

#3  UMHB
#5  Trinity  (Geographic proximity)

#2 Wesley
#7 NCWC

[PA_wesleyfan]

Bob

I was just asking....   I am still trying to figure out this owp,oowp,eieio thing...
So does Wesley get Widnener's and NCW's as a owp & oowp because thye played each other. OR is common opponents a different animal all together?

[Ralph Turner]

Bob

I was just asking....  I am still trying to figure out this owp,oowp,eieio thing...
So does Wesley get Widener's and NCW's as a owp & oowp because they played each other. OR is common opponents a different animal all together?

Common opponents is another of the primary criteria!

2007 Football Handbook

I keep the Handbook "bookmarked" as soon as it is released, regardless of the sport!

[K-Mack]

Bob
Don't you think that Wesleys wins over Widener & NCW are more important now than the Del Val win?

I do.  I just didn't get around to writing all of that, or anybody else's "including wins" from the past two weeks...

Checking scores, watching World Series, Ohio State-Penn State, the Penguins and attending a wedding reception, not to mention trying to help my 12-year-old son understand why W&J's playoff berth would be different this year as compared to the Pool B's madness he's endured over the past 6 or so seasons.

As they say on PTI (knuckleheads), I'll try to do better the next time!

[Hampton U SID]

Wesley's REGULAR season is essentially over.  Morrisville is a 2nd-year provisional team this year.

Ralph meant REGULAR season.

Yes.  Bob has my back!

On the ASC board, I guessed that South Bracket would look like this (after 9 weeks of results):

#1  W&J
#8  Muhlenberg

#4 Salisbury
#6 ODAC

#3  UMHB
#5  Trinity  (Geographic proximity)

#2 Wesley
#7 NCWC

My question Ralph..from one who knows where his team will stand in two weeks (preparing for a banquet     )....Would the committee match up a pair of teams that played in the opening week of the season in the opening round (Wesley v. NCWC??)

[DutchFan2004]

My understanding is that only conference schools are to be avoided in playing each other first round.  If there were other non conference schools on your schedule they are not protected by this rule. 

Ralph with UMHB getting beat by the #3 team you think that knocks them out of the #1 in the South Region?  If they stay at near the top of the top 25 and W&J is below them in the rankings you think they fall from a #1 seeding?

[Foss]

nnasid - Yeah, they will. I recall them doing it in '03 in the West Region by matching up Redlands/Linfield in the opening round. (Technically, the teams played each other the second week of the regular season, although it was Linfield's first game and Redland's second).

[Ralph Turner]

nnasid,

Good question.  I was partially going on seeding, partially on distance and partially on the effect that the Texas sub-bracket has on this region.

NCWC to W&J is close to 480 miles and Muhlenberg to Washington PA (W&J) is only 294, a straight shot across Pennsylvania, (by the "wrong" map service, Google Maps.  It was too hard to get into the official mappoint shortest distance.)

DutchFan2004,

If I were sitting on the committee, I think that I would value an undefeated team over a one-loss team, if the statistical criteria and available head-to-heads were not too disparate in favor of the one-loss team.  You cannot ask a team to do anything more than go undefeated.

I think that W&J has the number one seed this Wednesday.

[Hampton U SID]

NCWC to Salisbury and ODAC to the Wolverine Den?

Anyway...I just hope the ACFC can snag a pair of dance tickets.

[Ralph Turner]

NCWC to Salisbury and ODAC to the Wolverine Den?

Anyway...I just hope the ACFC can snag a pair of dance tickets.

Then I would assume that you have switched the seedings there to give that bracket. 

[DutchFan2004]

Ralph,

Ok I guess I can understand that reasoning.  I was going from the reasoning that the #3 team in the nation at the time of the game and now the #2 was the team that beat them.  I don't know of a team of that quality on W&J's schedule but haven't done the research. 

[K-Mack]

Wesley's REGULAR season is essentially over.  Morrisville is a 2nd-year provisional team this year.

Ralph meant REGULAR season.

Yes.  Bob has my back!

On the ASC board, I guessed that South Bracket would look like this (after 9 weeks of results):

#1  W&J
#8  Muhlenberg

#4 Salisbury
#6 ODAC

#3  UMHB
#5  Trinity  (Geographic proximity)

#2 Wesley
#7 NCWC

My question Ralph..from one who knows where his team will stand in two weeks (preparing for a banquet     )....Would the committee match up a pair of teams that played in the opening week of the season in the opening round (Wesley v. NCWC??)

Yes,
They will. Did it just last year with North Central and Concordia (Wis.), for example. As Dutch said, they only avoid conference rematches in the first round. Anything else is fair game.

Ralph,
What makes you think Muhlenberg would be an 8 seed? With TCNJ in control of the NJAC, that's not a win over a regionally-ranked team, but that's got to be a factor somehow. In OWP/OOWP at least.

I think you'd be better off flopping the Muhlenberg and ODAC seed, at least. ODAC team is going to come in with 2 losses if it's H-SC and no significant non-conference wins, and 1-2 losses if it's R-MC (depending on what they do vs. Bridgewater) and no significant non-conference wins (Carnegie Mellon would be the best).

Without doing the numbers, I don't see why Muhlenberg wouldn't grade out ahead of that.

Trin-UMHB is a lock no matter the seeds. So if you keep that 2-7, you can send ODAC to Salisbury and still Muhl to W&J.

I dunno, I'm pretty sure all 6 of the south schools will fall in the 500-mile thing. NCWC to W&J?

Anyway,
Pool B is basically down to four slots, and will it's fourth be strong enough to take a C? (if I had to guess now, I'd say yes)

Wesley
Salisbury
Case Western
Linfield/Whitworth winner

No?

[repete]

So KMack, after Saturday's defensive lapses in Collegeville, do you see  Pool B's "fourth" competing against the Johnnies for those Pool C's spots... ?

(Not to hijack the thread)

[K-Mack]

So KMack, after Saturday's defensive lapses in Collegeville, do you see  Pool B's "fourth" competing against the Johnnies for those Pool C's spots... ?

(Not to hijack the thread)

Hey, Pool B was in your question. 

I take it you're saying in case of a loss to Bethel, is St. John's still good? (eerily similar to last year, where SJU rose to No. 3 behind MUC and UWW, 9-0 heading into Bethel game)

But it also seems like a two-pronged question: The defensive lapses have to do with how they'd compete on the field, but not with how they'd compete for a bid.

My guess at this juncture, without knowing the Week 10 and Week 11 fallout, would be that the Johnnies are in good shape for a C if they lose, because the pool for Pool C is not what it was last year. But with the right losses, perhaps it could become that.

Also, you know, the NWC team is still treading on thin ice, I don't think they're guaranteed a spot at all unless Case loses.

As for how I think they would compete ... I actually think what I saw of Linfield vs. Hardin-Simmons compares to what I saw of SJU vs. UST.