FB: Ohio Athletic Conference

[raiderguy]

Congratulations to OAC page 700! +K to all.

hscoach,

I like the weighted idea too. I am in an NFL pool where we simply assign a value to the game based on our "confidence level" 1 through 16 per week. We do not use a spread as part of the equation. This would eliminate the spread in our pick-ems but make your job a little easier. Either way will be OK but I still like weighing the out of conference higher if that is the direction you go.

From the sounds of it though you do not have a life, a job and maybe a wife that claims you. You sound like a country western song! Did your dog run away too?

[matblake]

Hmmmm, that's exactly the opposite response from what I was expecting.  I figured everyone would want more weight on the OAC games since this is the OAC page. 

I had also kicked around the idea of placing a weighted point system based on the confidence of the particular picker.  Something along the lines of each participant ranks the games in order of how he wants them weigthed.  Which would put more emphasis on me setting reasonable spreads and each of you to then determine which games you feel the most comfortable with. 

For example, if this weeks games were as follows:
Mount vs Berg (+54.5)
JCU vs Capital (even)
BW vs Wilma (+28.5)
Marietta vs Musky (+6.5)
ONU vs Otterbein (+14.5)
Whitewater vs MHB (+9.5)

Then the picker would then post his picks on his own "confidence ranking" from low-to-high:
1 = Otterbein
2 = Berg
3 = Marietta
4 = MHB
5 = Wilma
6 = Capital

Which then means the picker thinks the Cap/JCU game is a lock for Capital and wants that game to be worth 6 points, but he's unsure about the Otterbein/ONU game and wants that to be only worth 1 point.

I think this version is my favorite, but it would put a HUGE emphasis on everyone posting their picks in the same way to make the data entry manageable.

This is the way the CCIW pick ems have worked in the past, minus the spreads.  The stats guy for the CCIW pick ems, Mugsy, also throws out a bonus pick em such as who will have more yards receiver A v receiver B.  It is a good chance to focus on some teams that don't have as many posters or info on the board. 

[HScoach]

Thanks for the input guys.  First and foremost, I want to make this as much fun as possible for the participants. 

The use of spreads will always be a part of the equation if I'm setting it up as that's where I get my greatest enjoyment.  Trying to guess either a spread that will get a 50/50 distribution of picks or trying to hit the final outcome.  In my opinion, the OAC is too top heavy a conference to just pick the games straight up.  The good teams are really good, and the bad ones really bad.  So simply picking the games straight up would only produce a few games a year where the outcome is really in doubt.  In the WIAC or CCIW where the games are historically more contested it would make sense to avoid spreads.  For example, if MUC/Berg didn't have a spread of 54.5+, what's the chances of someone not picking MUC?  Heck, almost everyone picks MUC even when I put a huge spread on them

The use of a "confidence ranking" wouldn't really be that much work than it is right now as I enter everyone's picks into a spread sheet right now as a "1" value.  The rankings would just make me enter different numbers instead of a 1.  I wouldn't have thrown it out there as an idea if I wasn't willing to do it.  But I'll leave the final say up to you guys.

[HScoach]

Does anyone know how to start a poll on our page?  I'd like to put the following out for a vote:

Preferred 2007 OAC Pick-Em's contest format (all with spreads):

1.  Each game worth 1 point (as pervious years)

2.  National games worth 2 pts, OAC games worth 1 pt

3.  OAC games worth 2 pts, National games worth 1 pt

4.  Game points set by "confidence ranking" by each particpant

[SaintsFAN]

has anyone seen 4u? 

[reality check]

Ask and it shall be done hscoach.

[Kira & Jaxon's Dad]

Non-favorable story on ESPN about David Kircus:

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2878625

[wally_wabash]

The real question is what would hscoach set the line at for a seven on seven game between Hiram College and seven random fifth graders.

(I took a karma hit but I'm still happy to have typed what I typed.  This gives me some hope that there really might be a Hiram fan lurking.  It's like a Bigfoot sighting only less likely.)

Ouch!  Not even Memorial Day and RC is in midseason form. 

There are a handful of Hiram fans out there...lurkers mostly, but they occasionally chime in over on the NCAC board.  Hiram brought in yet another new staff this winter which I believe is the 37th head coaching change for the Terriers in the last five years.  I think Hiram is going to get somebody this year...I'm thinking Earlham on 10/27.

[HScoach]

Ask and it shall be done hscoach.

THANKS

[4u]

I am always lurking, gentlemen.  It's just that being a HS Coach (naming rights excluded) and a new dad has slowed me from posting as frequesntly.  I still read the board often and chuckle at what we do to fill the time between winter and August.
Regarding my cousin, David Kircus, I am asking for you all to keep an open mind.  He made a mistake and he is certain that the law will be in his favor.  According to him, he was being forcefully removed by a man with whom he had problems that evening.  He struck the guy in what he says was self defense.  If this is, in fact, the case, I hope that witnesses from the party will verify his story.  If not, I feel badly for him and hope he can learn from this.  If he is guilty, it is almost certainly the end of his NFL career. 
I am not defending his actions. 
Keep posting on the board, and I will keep reading...
4u

[Mr. Ypsi]

4u,

I was a big fan of your cousin at GVSU and with the Lions.  I sure hope you are correct about witnesses supporting a self-defense claim.  But my impression was always that the Detroit media had rather a soft spot for him (local small-college guy makes the big time, etc.), and their reports don't sound too promising.

I hope it all works out for the best.

[Kira & Jaxon's Dad]

Regarding my cousin, David Kircus, I am asking for you all to keep an open mind.  He made a mistake and he is certain that the law will be in his favor.  According to him, he was being forcefully removed by a man with whom he had problems that evening.  He struck the guy in what he says was self defense.  If this is, in fact, the case, I hope that witnesses from the party will verify his story.  If not, I feel badly for him and hope he can learn from this.  If he is guilty, it is almost certainly the end of his NFL career. 
I am not defending his actions. 
Keep posting on the board, and I will keep reading...
4u

I am hoping that his name will be cleared...

[raiderguy]

RIC

Ever since we started picking teams other than OAC teams the pick-em was open to any number of possibilties. The fact that it is on the OAC board should not limit us to only picking OAC games....My only thought was if we are going to offer "extra points" that has always meant doing extra work. By doing so you get extra credit so.....the 2 points for non-OAC games was my thinking. I was terrible last year and there is nothing that leads me to believe it will help in the long run but it does provide interest in games across the country and getting more familiar with the teams in D3.

I think with Mount having two games with St John Fisher in '08 & "09 we will be watching what goes on in their conference with more interest than we ever had in the past. Add to that watching Emory & Henry gets us insight to that conference too.  I know I have needed a life beyond this but it has been fun. Week three for example is a double header up here. You have St Johns in an afternoon game with Heidelberg, oops I mean Augsburg (same difference) and then at 6pm Wisconsin Whitewater comes to play St Cloud State. The stadiums are no more than 20-30 minutes apart. Time for a couple of warm-ups before each game even! Now that is what I call a football extravaganza!

Also in week 1 Marietta is coming up to St Johns for a game. OAC and MIAC fun. Not quite the same but it will be interesting to see how the Pioneers might stack up against another top notch D3 team that doesn't wear PURPLE.

Just some thoughts.

[HScoach]

Why would one want national games to count for double the score of OAC games in a OAC pickup contest? I don't understand the logic.  Someone care to explain?

I'm with you, but some asked for the National games to mean more.  So I added it as an option.

[SaintsFAN]

4u,

thats what I thought....there has to be more to the story there.  Its not like the kid would just punch some guy.....and then to have the guy press charges?

Not very manly..