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I don't think I'm missing the point - I think maybe what I'm saying is getting missed.

MUC was 8-14 for 51 yards vs. Fisher. They only threw 22 times vs. UW-W ... What I'm saying is that it may not have been there, and they had to run more.

Now, on the flip side, Fisher couldn't stop Kmic, so it worked out... and worked out pretty well

[skunks_sidekick]

Tags..... could that possibly be a "chicken or egg" argument?   

This Mount v. Fisher lovefest is really going to blow up over the next year.  If Fisher finds a way Saturday......oh boy. 

I can see some interesting banter over the next 9 months.   

I promise as a Mount fan/poster to only say "I told you so" 712 times between now and next year if Mount has a big game on Saturday.   

[reality check]

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Larry Kehres wass in denial.  That's great.


I personally doubt those two get more than 60 yards but that would put them right there with Meadows/Bogner from ONU (61 yards combined and 3.4 YPC) and Merritt/Porter from CAP (62 yards combined and 2.7 YPC).  But when was 60 yards ever the point at which we measured successful running???

FWIW (and this is for those that do care) MUC's defense was giving up 1.1 YPC last year to this year's 0.4 YPC.


Another thing Fisher needs to focus on if they want to stay in the game: SECOND HALF ADJUSTMENTS

If they keep it close or (gasp) have a lead at the half, then they must make some great adjustments ebcause the other locker room will be doing .  LK is a great tactician of the game but historically, even the best teams that do hang with MUC for a half have a tough time holding on in the third quarter.  Sure they outscore opponents this year 486-32 in the first half but their 111-7 third quarter number is equally impressive.  Teams just don't make up ground in the second half, and those that have played it tight in the third quarter are those select few that have hung a loss on MUC's record (the exception being UMHB who outscored MUC 17-0 in the 4th despite losing the 3rd quarter 21-0).

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Only 712? I can live with that 8)

I'll be honest, Fisher had a tendency to come out relatively slow in a lot of games this year, and although they have been much better about it lately, if they come out flat Saterday they'll be in for a long day for sure. I know full well that's a possibility - On the other hand, if they come out and play the way they are capable of, MUC will be in for a good ballgame and hopefully Fisher can pull one out on them.

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Larry Kehres wass in denial.  That's great.

I don't have the energy to read through all that, but I never said Kehres was in denial dude. I'm saying it wasn't the reason they didn't pass --- fans using it as a reason the game was close is what I was referencing there.

[rscl70]

In the breif interview after the Stagg Bowl, LK said that Mike Jorris had been injured earlier in the playoffs and that he had kept that quiet.  If you look at the passing and rushing yardage in last years games you can see it.

This is a classic case of denial. Nobody wants to say Fisher hung w/ MUC the entire game, so they throw these oddball statements out there.

"Oh, it would have been downright scary if MUC had been able to throw - probably 59-14 if MUC had all their weapons. There was a super secret injury that only Jorris and his personal trainer knew about, thus making it impossible for Mt. Union to use the passing game"


Didn't Micheli have a massive game in the Stagg the very next week? Must be he was on double secret probation and wasn't allowed to come in & throw that day vs. Fisher.

First of all, I did not speculate about Jorris, I took LK's word for it.

Second, I never said the game was not close, nor did I say it would not have been close if Jorris were healthy.  Earlier one of your posters asked what was the difference between this years Mount team and last years.  My post was my response to that question. And my opinion, based on LK's statement and last years stats, was that Fisher would see a more wide open Mount Union attack.

You should read more carefully and stop using out of context quotes to support your "Mount Union fans won't give us any credit" fantasy.

MUC was 8-14 for 51 yards vs. Fisher. They only threw 22 times vs. UW-W ... What I'm saying is that it may not have been there, and they had to run more

If it wern't for the stats of the previous two games I might agree with you.

[Jonny Utah]

Is this the first or second year MUC has been running the spread offense?

[rscl70]

Is this the first or second year MUC has been running the spread offense?

It is a least the second year.  I'm actually not sure when they began to use it.  Perhaps one of our other posters can answer that.

[Ric]

This is a playoff game.  There are only eight teams left.  Absolutely St. John Fisher has a chance to win and could take a victory with them back to New York.  Larry Kehres would be the first to say that.

Yes Mount Union is the better team but football tells us, well sports tells us, the better team doesn't win every time.  That's what makes it so fun.  To say St. John Fisher has no chance is to not know the game. What fun would sports be if the underdog never won?

That being said, I think Mount Union, well no, I know, Mount Union ran its offensive game plan last year for reasons beyond what fans that don't see them every week believe.  That's not taking anything at all away from St. John Fisher, because along with Capital and Whitewater, were three very good teams the Raiders faced in the playoffs last year.

I guess someone is going to be shocked, because win or lose I have no doubt Mount Union can throw the ball on Fisher.  So if they can't, I'll be shocked.  And by the sound of it, if and when they do, there will be a lot of Cardinals shocked over it.

Anyway to say no one has a chance is wrong.  I will be surprised if it is not a good ballgame.

[SJFF82]

Didn't Micheli have a massive game in the Stagg the very next week? Must be he was on double secret probation and wasn't allowed to come in & throw that day vs. Fisher.

Well, if I could win without it and spring it on UW-Whitewater the next week, that's what I would've done as a coach.

you're kiddin right?

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Ric-

They'll throw on Fisher, and my guess is they'll have some success with it. My sarcasm is only directed at last years game and what I've been reading being said about it.

With Stepnick's injury, it opens up a whole new opportunity for MUC to exploit that side of the field. The backups are very capable, but I'd be willing to bet LK attacks that right away.

[Toph]

Man you guys do a good job of making me feel insecure about Fisher's chances (no sarcasm, really you are) throwing out all these statistics and possible attacks...But then I remember you only beat Ithaca by 24, a team Fisher itself beat by 21.  Jonny Utah would be quick to jump in and say well Ithaca improved greatly since their encounter with Fisher, but I guess nobody ever looks at the fact that maybe Fisher improved since that encounter as well.

Exactly, they use stats to back up their argument way too much. 

I prefer to use statistics instead of gut feelings.  Gut feelings are why teams forsake their futures to draft a player like Michael Vick with the first pick, despite the fact that his completion percentage dropped almost 6% between his sophomore and junior year, and he threw just 8 touchdowns to 6 INTs in his junior season.  He relied on his legs way to much to make plays, and while he has potential to be a gamebreaker, he never dominated the pro game like he did the college game.  Meanwhile Tom Brady only completed 52% of his passes, but did set the Michigan record for completions in a career, throwing for over 5,000 yards, 35 TD, 19 INT.  The Patriots steal him in the sixth round.  Which would you rather have?

ummm hate to burst your factoid bubble here but first off vick left college after his redshirt sophmore season...never made it to junior status...also after leading the ncaa in passing efficency his redshirt freshmen year and leading his team to the national title game he was injured in the pitt game in 2000 and missed all or partially 3 games which also led to a large decline in his numbers not only the "facts" you state of just using his legs....not looking to nit pick here but lets not leave facts off the table

I realized that sophomore/junior thing about 10 minutes after I posted, didn't go into edit.  That was just a mistake on my part.  I will respond to the rest of this in PM, since this is a d3 forum.   

EDIT:  Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't MUC start to introduce the spread offense three years ago?

[skunks_sidekick]

Mount has run some form of the spread for years.  They rarely line up in the same formation time after time.  They do however emphasize it to the max this year due to Micheli's talents. 

Some coaches have a "system", and plug players into their system to be successful.  LK adapts his offense philosophy to fit the talent he has in any given year. 

Another sign of greatness.

[Toph]

Hanson & Reile are nowhere close to Robinson, but together they'll put up more on MUC than anyone has to date.

Just like MUC wouldn't beat anyone by more than 30, right?   

And to respond to your post about Fisher coming out slowly in a couple games this year...

I hope that doesn't happen Saturday.  Things can start to snowball if you get down by a couple scores early, especially against a team like Mount Union.  So if the O comes out flat, the D really needs to pick them up and keep the Raiders out of the end zone.

[JQV]

Another thing Fisher needs to focus on if they want to stay in the game: SECOND HALF ADJUSTMENTS

I have said it before on the E8 boards but this is Vosburgh's biggest weakness as a coach in my opinion.  Although, he seems to have gotten better at it over the years.