FB: Ohio Athletic Conference

[JK]

We Cap fans have the Jim Tressel AND the Archie Griffin card.  See the link:

http://www.svsu.edu/athletics/mens/football/news.html?news=1&id=4529

Happy New Year, all.

[smedindy]

I think Wabash is a better job than Capital simply because of the tradition, fan base, and the fact they've been good to great since the mid-70's. Capital has the potential to be one of the best jobs but they need to sustain their recent success.

[bashbrother]

Plus with D3 coaching positions many times being stepping stones to D2 or D1 positions, I think the chance of winning 9 or 10 games a year for the resume and winning numerous conference championships is greater at Wabash.

With Mount Unions dominance, you would think it takes a little bit off the Capital job.

[Li'l Giant]

At least in the OAC you can get a Pool C bid. In the NCAC a Pool C bid isn't going to happen any time soon because the league is so weak.

[Mr. Ypsi]

At least in the OAC you can get a Pool C bid. In the NCAC a Pool C bid isn't going to happen any time soon because the league is so weak.

The HCAC got one this year.  I think a second-place team could make it, but they'd better be 9-1.

[skunks_sidekick]

For the record.......it was not 8th, 7th, or anything less than first hand.

The man that Creighton had the conversation with repeated the story himself. 

So Raeburn's a liar?  Please..........

[reality check]

Plus with D3 coaching positions many times being stepping stones to D2 or D1 positions, I think the chance of winning 9 or 10 games a year for the resume and winning numerous conference championships is greater at Wabash.

With Mount Unions dominance, you would think it takes a little bit off the Capital job.

This theory doesn't take long to be blown up by looking at what Collins' success at CAP did for his career.  He hasn't won a single conference championship but he has brought CAP into the elite of DIII programs.  And I would counter the Mount dominance point with the fact that the CAP coach (whomever it ends up being) gets a chance to kill the king every year (sometimes twice in a season) and might have a chance to see LK ride off into the sunset and take over the crown in the OAC.  Who knows?!?  But Raeburn wouldn't exactly be bucking the trend if he were to come to CAP as opposed to Wabash.  With coaches like Dean Paul, Mike Hallet, Al Logan and Joe Loth coming from conferences such as the NJAC, HCAC and NCAC to coach in the OAC, Raeburn would be part of a similar crowd.  I just personally think the challenge and value of coaching in the OAC and at a school like Capital would be a bigger chip than anything Wabash has to offer.  Great supportive fans aren't everything.

[rscl70]

Doen't the quality of the job depend a great deal on the support of the administration?  If Cap does have a President who wants to de-emphasize athletics, anyone taking the Capital job is being set up for failure.

[usee]

For the record.......it was not 8th, 7th, or anything less than first hand.

The man that Creighton had the conversation with repeated the story himself. 

So Raeburn's a liar?  Please..........

"For the record" YOU didn't hear CC say it so simple math means it was 2nd hand. You weren't there and a loyal passionate supporter of LK and MUC interpreted something as negative so I take that interpretation with a serious grain of salt in the context of what I know about CC. It wasn't you or anyone else on here that has come forward so bringing it up now after 4 years is a low blow and serves no purpose in my opinion.

[JK]

Doen't the quality of the job depend a great deal on the support of the administration?  If Cap does have a President who wants to de-emphasize athletics, anyone taking the Capital job is being set up for failure.

It appears that President Bowman has no intention to "de-emphasize" athletics.  Below is a quote from elee, which you may have missed with the Raeburn-Creighton banter going on.  Elee and I have been discussing this a bit in personal messages as well.  It would appear that Capital will stay on the current upward path in athletics.

I emailed back and forth with Collins during the days immediately following his announcement.  He says that President Bowman is supportive of athletics and is not and will not be the problem.   He said the key is finding a hard working and talented AD like Roger Welsh who will get things done when he says they will get done and not just say all the right things.  He also said that Dr. Steve Bruning, who is Provost of Academic Affairs and also the interim AD in Roger Welsh's retirement has done a fantastic job but his passion is in academics so he isn't the long term solution.

I am feeling better about the long term future of Crusader athletics after receiving that message from Collins.

[smedindy]

I just personally think the challenge and value of coaching in the OAC and at a school like Capital would be a bigger chip than anything Wabash has to offer.  Great supportive fans aren't everything.

No, but the way that Wabash fans and alums are involved in the program - especially in helping recruiting, bringing student athletes to campus and selling them on the school and the atmosphere - that's a big plus for Wabash. Yes, Capital's coach has a chance to knock out the king, but Wabash will be on a big stage every year with the Monon Bell and at Wabash they can get over 11,000 in that stadium and that's special too.

It's not like we're fighting over Earlham vs. Wilmington, though.

[Toph]

I just personally think the challenge and value of coaching in the OAC and at a school like Capital would be a bigger chip than anything Wabash has to offer.  Great supportive fans aren't everything.

Yes, Capital's coach has a chance to knock out the king, but Wabash will be on a big stage every year with the Monon Bell and at Wabash they can get over 11,000 in that stadium and that's special too.

It's not like we're fighting over Earlham vs. Wilmington, though.

Does the stage get any bigger than trying to beat Mount Union?

[short]

Have ever seen a Depauw vs Wabash game? The Only thing bigger is ahhh... OHIO STATE vs LSU!!!
If you had seen a Wabash Depauw game you would not be asking if the stage gets bigger because Wabash Depauw is HUGE!  JJ

[bashbrother]

Reality Check -

Yes, Collins had a great run at Capital and the 2005 / 2006 teams were special.   If the new coach can come in and duplicate that effort, then he will be in great shape.  Easier said then done under the shadow of Mount Union and the competition for quality athletes that already exists in Ohio.

Both opportunities are great jobs for someone looking to take over a great program at great institutions.

[usee]

Reality Check -

Yes, Collins had a great run at Capital and the 2005 / 2006 teams were special.   If the new coach can come in and duplicate that effort, then he will be in great shape.  Easier said then done under the shadow of Mount Union and the competition for quality athletes that already exists in Ohio.

Both opportunities are great jobs for someone looking to take over a great program at great institutions.

I agree. most of this is splitting hairs. The original question was why would someone favor one over the other. the answer seems to lay with the circumstances of each candidate. On a Macro level both of these jobs are great opportunities.