FB: Ohio Athletic Conference

[section13raiderfan]

My prediction doesn't have anything to do with what I think of his coaching ability (I have no idea of his coaching ability, it must be good or he wouldn't have gotten the job), nor does it have to do with any family considerations.

It is purely based on the fact that, if I were in his shoes, I'm not sure I could deal with the crap from Massillon for more than a couple of years.

I'd say three years.  And I think I'd take the under.

Tom Stacey got to the finals his first year and things went downhill from there. If Hall can create a system that utilitizes the talent at hand instead of slotting players to fit a system....he can be there as long as he likes. Everything about his hiring shows that the Massillon model has changed. NO SMALL FEAT EITHER!. If he wins early and often, he will never know more love....if he feels his way out slowly, then he will feel somthing else entirely. Personally, I wanted to see if the Coldwater system would work at the D1 level. Having said that, I LOVE that a former Raider is getting the job instead. I will be watching on Fridays from the stands. I hope Jason Halls name is remembered as one of the best that ever held the job at Massillon.  

[Kira & Jaxon's Dad]

Yikes what?  You imply that I am saying Filkovski won't last at MC.  I didn't imply anything.  You inferred it.  I was going to stay out of this until you went and drew your own conclusions...

Who do I sound like?   

It's funny, because it's true.

[seventiesraider]

Classic RC, +K (or is it negative k? )

[SaintsFAN]

yikes, RC. 

Yikes what?  You imply that I am saying Filkovski won't last at MC.  I didn't imply anything.  You inferred it.  I was going to stay out of this until you went and drew your own conclusions...

Who do I sound like?   

I thought he was back for a moment, there. 

[skunks_sidekick]

Hey Gang!

I personally hope that Jason goes in there, does a bang up job for a few years, paylays that into a better/higher (college?) job, and is gone a few days before the devil (in this case all the crazy, nutcase, win at all cost or we will run you out of town Massillonians) knows he is gone. 

Head Coach at Massillon and longevity really can't be used in the same sentence, book, state, or country.   

[reality check]

Pat


You gotta warn us when you make big changes like this.  I have to reset my homepage on three or four computers. 

[Kira & Jaxon's Dad]

Pat
You gotta warn us when you make big changes like this.  I have to reset my homepage on three or four computers. 

He did.  There was a message on this page yesterday.

[reality check]

He said they're be an updated d3football.com front page, not a whole new url for good old post patterns.  I'm just worried for all the advanced-age old-timers that post here not finding the new site.  You know the old guys I'm talking about: frank, ralph, seventies... hscoach   

[Kira & Jaxon's Dad]

The old link still works.  I didn't change the URL in my favorites list.  Although I do agree that some of the geezers on here may not be able to find the new board. 

[Pat Coleman]

The old link still works.

This is why I didn't say anything.

And there was a note that the board would be down for maintenance last night.

[HScoach]

Jason Hall at Massillon is an interesting quandry for me.  I'm a huge fan of Hall from his playing days, but I absolutely loath all things Massillon.  Guess my anti-Tiger feelings will have to be put aside for a MUC guy

I expect Hall to do well, but I'm not sure my definition of "well" will satisfiy the beast in Massillon.  Their days of dominace are gone due to size limitations as well as no longer having the recruiting advantage they once had in Stark County.   The only good thing to come from open enrollment may be that Massillon isn't the only public school recruiting anymore. 

If Hall lasts more than 5 years I'll be shocked.  Not because I don't think Hall can do it, but simply because that would mean Massillon has change it's stripes. 

I also wonder how much LK's presense in Stark County helped Hall get the interview/job in the first place?  I would have to think that it sure didn't hurt being a disciple of LK.

[Small but Slow]

When is the last time Massillon won a state championship?  How have they performed in the playoffs, or even against McKinley recently?  Maybe it's not the cherry job it was once seen as, but even a coach who does not necessarily succeed to community standards will still have opportunities unless it is a total disaster.  I would view it as a good stepping stone and at least a feather in the hat.  And it could be a lot of fun for a coach who is able to succeed.

[HScoach]

When is the last time Massillon won a state championship? 

A real championship on the field?  NEVER.  They have a bunch of paper AP titles from the days before the OHSAA playoffs though.

Maybe it's not the cherry job it was once seen as, but even a coach who does not necessarily succeed to community standards will still have opportunities unless it is a total disaster.  I would view it as a good stepping stone and at least a feather in the hat.  And it could be a lot of fun for a coach who is able to succeed.

Coaching at Massillon has proven to be a great stepping stone, but the town's elevated expectations make it very difficult (to near impossible) for a coach to last more than a few years.  In my opinion, that's their biggest problem.  They don't give the coach enough time to build a stable program.  It's win now and every year or you're a bum.  The key being "program".  From PeeWee football thru the middle school to high school.   

It is unrealistic to expect a public school with the size limitations of Massillon in D1 to remain near the top.  Most of the City unfortunately doesn't believe the talent should cycle for them like it does for everyone else.  Now if they were the size of Mentor, then different story.  But as one of the smallest D1 schools in Ohio, it's placing too much burden on the coach to expect a deep playoff run each and every year.   The talent to compete in D1 just isn't there every year. 

Hopefully they'll be patient long enough to see that Hall is a good coach and that a .500 year isn't grounds to run the coach out of town.  Personally I think they should have learned their lesson over the last decade, but we'll see.  History says they haven't. 

For Jason Hall's sake, I hope one of the following applies:
1.  Massillon has learned to give the coach some rope.
2.  Hall is only looking at 3-4 years as a stepping stone to elsewhere.

My preference would be #1, but I would bet it's #2.

[theaprof]

He said they're be an updated d3football.com front page, not a whole new url for good old post patterns.  I'm just worried for all the advanced-age old-timers that post here not finding the new site.  You know the old guys I'm talking about: frank, ralph, seventies... hscoach   

Yep--it was a real B!tch trying to remember my password--I just stay permanently logged on so this old brain doesn't have to try to function with that kind of trivial material.

[reality check]

All I have to contribute to the Hall/Massillon/legacy discussion is the fact that 2006 5A State Champ Chandler Hamilton HS came to Massillon in 2006 and got beaten by a down Massillon team (6-4 I think).  Hamilton is the top high school program in the state of Arizona for years now.  Of course it was just one game and Hamilton had to fly across the country but the fact that a sub-par Tigers team beat the mighty Hamilton Huskies despite the fact that Hamilton steamrolled the AZ competition still made me feel pretty good about Ohio high school football's competitive health.