FB: Ohio Athletic Conference

[reality check]

hscoach

I totally agree with that last comment.  I kind of made a reference to that point when I said Phillips and Pentello are competing against each other.  Jorris is competing against those two and all the recent Raider signal callers.

[b4uknewit]

formerd3db-- I don't recall any of Mount's faithfull indicating Mount will be any weaker in the near future.  I do recall many of us  feel the rest of  the OAC and other conf's are leveling the playing field. Do NOT bet on Purple getting weaker soon. I believe LK expressed these sediments in earlier reports last year pre season.  Again, his feelings about the OAC and D3 have come to fruition.  In respect to the QB situation, all of you make good points. Please keep in mind in reguards to Jorris, Purple will not be padding any stats anytime soon. Maybe Ric could educate us better on when tapes start changing hands prior to the playoffs.  

[mtfan]

b4uknewit
I agree with you, I doubt very much that any padding of stats will be occuring with these two remaining games. Lk will get stay within the fundamentals of a decent running attack, and marginal passing game with the last two regular season game films being fauder for opponents in the playoffs. What I'm more interested to see is how LK jump starts thid offense in the playoffs and with a healthy Garcone. Could really be some interesting hat tricks both in the passing and the running games!

As for the OAC "QB of the year" right now I would expect Phillips to have the upperhand but this weeks game is paramount and will more than likely determine who gets the honor. Even with Jorris having great performances the remainder of the season, I think he's out of the running especially in the program he's coming from.

[formerd3db]

b4uknewit:
You misinterpret my statement.  I never said that Mount supporters said they would be weaker in the near future.  What I was referring to tangentially, to illustrate a comparison in the context of the discussion I was engaged in, was the situation last year in some of the various discussions where some people were bashing Mount for various reasons (for example, as I recall, in essence because they were jealous of the longterm success of the Mount program, somewhat accusatory (inaccurately, of course) towards Mount having some unfair advantage in building the program, and the perceived arrogance of some of the supporters regarding the program).  In response, Mount supporters simply replied that that none of this was true, they were obviously expressing their enthusiam for the truth that the program was indeed a premier one, but also clearly acknowledged that the dynasty would not go on forever.  The latter was indeed mentioned by several Mount supporters in that context.

In that context, my comments were in the reverse direction i.e. in relation to the poster's discussion about a program attempting to improve from a present lower tier status.  Again, I don't believe I made reference to anyone from Mount saying MUC would be weaker in the near future - if that was inadvertently implied, it was not intended.  My point was simply to be in reference to generally accepted notion that nothing lasts forever.  It was meant as an encouragement and general commentary in the context of that discussion.  Hope that clarifies it.

[Kira & Jaxon's Dad]

RE: OAC 1st Team QB.

Jorris and Pentello are listed as Juniors. Wouldn't that put Phillips ahead of them by default (I understand that this isn't a rule, but past history has proven that the coaches tend to reward the upperclassmen if it is close)?

My guess is that if JCU beats CU and Phillips finishes strong, he will probably get the nod.

[b4uknewit]

formerd3db--I understand your prior post clearly, and those posts of the past that many of us chimed in on. {",nor will MUC always be the powerhouse they've been most likely- many of their supporters have alluded to this too"}   I do not believe I misinterpret that quote at all. Not to be arrogant, I'm just stating I don't agree with that statement. The powerhouse that is MUC, (and this may be solely my opinion) will be in place for many more years. A large contributor to this is the JV program as you have mentioned before. And yes, many people in those posts of last year seemed to overlook that with all the hype about Mount's so-called questionable recruiting practices. Other than that one statement, I very much agree with all your posts Hope my Michigan Wolverines do better next year Hope we can beat those damn Buckeyes

[skunks_sidekick]

B4 - just when I was thinking how great of a guy you were, you go and pull this "hope they can beat those damn Buckeyes" crap!   

I know, I know, you lived there, etc... 

Let me explain it to you.  When I grew up, you followed your local high school team, a small college team (if you had some connection), the BUCKEYES, and unfortunately the BROWNS.  I tell my 9 year old that he is not allowed to band wagon any team that is outside of Ohio.  Someone has to teach these young front-runners what it's like to SUFFER!   

MICHIGAN SUCKS! 

[rp]

Not to start a riot, but I personally think that not only has Mount not been a powerhouse Nationally over the past couple years, but it is apparent that the days of bulling the OAC around are over as well.

I think Mount's run is pretty much over.  Not to say that they will not compete for the OAC year in/out, but comparable to years past, as I remember them, I just don't think it is possible ..  I think what we all witnessed in the past 10 years was something we may never see again, and we will not see it from Mount again ither. IMO, (and maybe "the ric" and HS Coach could shed some light on this issue), I don't believe LK is going to sit around and coach hoping for ties for the OAC and/or second a place finish. Maybe I am wrong, and way off base here, but he could go out on top, doing what nobody could ever do again.. or he could stay, and be "a normal program," and be in the hunt for the OAC title every year, which is the way I think they are headed..  Not that that is a bad thing, but most certainly not what we come to expect from Mount.

I think the moment that the St. Johns running back ran over that DB at the goal line on that swing pass pretty much signifies what happened to Mount.  During that game I remember thinking to myself that I never witnessed a Mount team get totally dominated like that.  They haven't been back since, and now, this year, have lost in the OAC.  Ever since that game, when the better player on the field actually played for St. Johns, I think Mount has gone backwards...  And I think they will continue to do so...  Now, backwards to any other program may mean a 7-3/6-4 record..  But for Mount, backwards just means comepeting for the title every year..

Those days of Pugh, Moore, Smeck, Kern, Dilliard, Black, Hall, etc, etc, etc...  all being on the same team are over.  There is a slight chance that players of that caliber can ever be assembled again in so many positions..   I think recruiting went better than LK could have ever possibly imagined for a long, long time, but I think those recruiting days are running dry.

This is not personal attacks on Mount at all..  A couple of Mount Guys know me, and I like to think I am as fair as fair can be..  I just "personally" believe that every thing must come to an end, i.e. Bulls, Cowboys, 9ers, UCLA etc. and I think from where Mount used to be and where they are going is not comparable and I personally think that it would be almost darn near impossible to assemble a recruiting pool as talented as those classes where for that many years in a row ever again.

That my take anyhoo...

[TheCoach]

Quick vote for coach of the year....

I would have to say that Collins, Loth and Paul have put themselves in position to win this award.  I thought ONU had this locked up but the loss to Capital pushed them down IMO. 

Cap.......continues there climb to the top, tough loss to the cards but big win over ONU.........

OTT......finally a winning season? plus win over cross town rival cap......nuff said

ONU....Pulled off the big one.....again nuff said

[e_lee]

Regardless of the outcome of JCU-Cap I think that Regis Scafe has put himself in a better position for coach of the year than anyone mentioned by TheCoach.

I really don't think anyone expected JCU to be in position to earn a play-off berth this late in the season, even before the MUC debacle.  What they have done has been very impressive.

[reality check]

e_lee

I thought JCU could do some damage this year but I was put off by the MUC game, as we all were.  They finished really strongly last year but they were digging out of such a hole that no one cared about their finish in 2004.  I have however been completely surprised by their performance post-MUC this season. 

[cufan]

As much as this may pain me my vote would be for Loth.  He has taken a program that was in shambles and put it in the top half of the conference.  
I think the all conf QB will come down to this weekend with JCU QB having the edge because he is a SR.   The Otterbein Lb seems to have that locked up although Sickmeyer?? from Cap has had a monster year and has been the glue to holding teams under 70 yards a game running the ball.  The person I want to throw out there is House from Cap.  Leads the league in catches and has only played 6 games.  Not as athletic as Garcon but is 6'6 and had some monster games vs good opponents.

Cap 28-JCU 21

[rp]

Skunkster..

You"ll think you took a ride in the Delorian after "Conservative Jim" needs a win for a Big Ten Title, but ends up losing like the long time coach before him, John "Minnie" Coop -er.. ..

Bring your boys Ginn, Holmes, Smith Carpenter, Hawk, and overrated Yuboughty to the Big House on the 19th, and you'll see what happens!

Go Blue!

[oldmantoo]

I think Mount's run is pretty much over.  Not to say that they will not compete for the OAC year in/out, but comparable to years past, as I remember them, I just don't think it is possible ..  I think what we all witnessed in the past 10 years was something we may never see again, and we will not see it from Mount again ither.

I know that programs tend to cycle but I do not see how anybody can forecast much for a team more than a year or two in the future.  One does not know what kind of recruiting will happen, what Div. I caliber player will decide to chuck it all and play for a Div. III school.  Success breeds success.  Notre Dame can have a bad year or two but guess what they are still Notre Dame and they will recruit well.  Until MUC has a long series of bad years or maybe loses Kehres I have a feeling they will do well. 

Boy one, regular season loss in what something over 110 games and they dynasty is over?  Somehow I think the odds have to catch up with you and you have a bad day.

It was a fun run but I look forward to a more competitive OAC.  I think that Otterbein is coming on.  I think they were really hurt by their facility.  Anybody who toured there could not fail to be unimpressed if not depressed.  Now they have upgraded their football facility and it will not be a negative factor. 

Capital finished their upgrade recently too and have a nice sports facility.

Also there is a much better brand of football being played at the HS level in central OH.  The recruting ground for Capital and Otterbein is much more fertile than it used to be.  I think there were three starters for Minnesota this weekend that came from the Columbus area. 

[joelmama]

RC and hscoach,

I agree with both of you.

It is unlikely that Jorris will put up huge numbers against the patsies I had fogotten about the tape trading rule for the playoffs.  LK will spread the wealth around.  My guess is that MUC will put a few points on the board even with second teamers though because I don't think LK is too comfortable with the last two weeks so we could see 50+ twice.  Most likely a lot will come on the ground and with 2nd and third teamers getting a shot.