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[Kira & Jaxon's Dad]

Nice article in at www.toledoblade.com on Nate:

Kmic Makes His Mark at Mt. Union

[bambord]

NCAA DIVISION III CAREER RUSHING YARDS                        
http://www2.muc.edu/athletics/athletics_archive/men_s_teams/football/2008_Season/copy_08notes8.aspx                        
                  Carries   Yards   yards/carry
1   R.J. Bowers, Grove City (PA), 1997-2000      1,188   7,353   6.2
                        
2   Justin Beaver, UW-Whitewater, 2004-2007   1,188   6,584   5.5

3   Nate Kmic, Mount Union, 2005-present.....    990   6,557   6.6
            Otterbein      25   166   6.6
               total   1015   6,723   6.6
Notes:                        
1   It's still odd, or suspect, that Bowers and Beaver have the same number of carries.
2   Kmic reached 6557 yards during the JCU game                  
3   According to d3football.com, Kmic rushed 25 times for 166 yards against Ott.         
4   After Ott game, Kmic is #2 in career yards, 630 yards behind Bowers and maintains his 6.6 ypc average.

[bushman]

Quote by Joe Loth in Canton Rep  Sunday Nov. 9  "They were better than us"  Loth said, "They were just a better football team"   Next up the Pioneers.

[schmidty22]

As an independent observer for yesterday's game and someone who has seen a lot of OAC action at almost every venue, I got to say, I lost a lot of respect for Mount Union and their head coach yesterday. 

There is no way they should have let their team engage the Cardinals at mid-field like they did.  Otterbein does that before every home game no matter who the opponent is.  It showed poor sportsmanship and a lack of disrespect for the players on the other side of the field.  That's the kind of stuff you see out of teams struggling to win a game not a team with the background of Mount.

Mount is obviously so much better than everyone they play that they shouldn't need to do that kind of thing.  For the head coach to let that happen is pretty inexcusable in my book.   

It's a shame that Mount won't ever move up to a better division so they too can feel what it's like to get absolutely dominated on the football field, and disrespected off of it.

But hey, other than that it was a fun game to watch.

[HScoach]

As an independent observer for yesterday's game and someone who has seen a lot of OAC action at almost every venue, I got to say, I lost a lot of respect for Mount Union and their head coach yesterday. 

There is no way they should have let their team engage the Cardinals at mid-field like they did.  Otterbein does that before every home game no matter who the opponent is.  It showed poor sportsmanship and a lack of disrespect for the players on the other side of the field.  That's the kind of stuff you see out of teams struggling to win a game not a team with the background of Mount.

Mount is obviously so much better than everyone they play that they shouldn't need to do that kind of thing.  For the head coach to let that happen is pretty inexcusable in my book.   

It's a shame that Mount won't ever move up to a better division so they too can feel what it's like to get absolutely dominated on the football field, and disrespected off of it.

But hey, other than that it was a fun game to watch.

If coming the length of the field to dance at your opponent's 35-40 yard line, on the opponent's side of the field (hash mark), is Otterbein's normal pre-game routine, then Loth is the one that needs to change.  Not Kehres. 

With the teams entering from opposite ends of the stadium, it shouldn't be too hard to keep your own players on your half of the field.  It's not like both teams had to come out of the same tunnel like in some of the NFL stadiums.  But Otterbein made a point to "wander" into the Raider territory.

If anything, Kehres should be applauded for keeping his guys under control after Otterbein got in their face.  I thought it was a great showing of restraint by the Raiders because it could have gotten ugly in a hurry.

[HScoach]

NCAA DIVISION III CAREER RUSHING YARDS                        
http://www2.muc.edu/athletics/athletics_archive/men_s_teams/football/2008_Season/copy_08notes8.aspx                        
                  Carries   Yards   yards/carry
1   R.J. Bowers, Grove City (PA), 1997-2000      1,188   7,353   6.2
                        
2   Justin Beaver, UW-Whitewater, 2004-2007   1,188   6,584   5.5

3   Nate Kmic, Mount Union, 2005-present.....    990   6,557   6.6
            Otterbein      25   166   6.6
               total   1015   6,723   6.6
Notes:                        
1   It's still odd, or suspect, that Bowers and Beaver have the same number of carries.2   Kmic reached 6557 yards during the JCU game                  
3   According to d3football.com, Kmic rushed 25 times for 166 yards against Ott.         
4   After Ott game, Kmic is #2 in career yards, 630 yards behind Bowers and maintains his 6.6 ypc average.

Odd is right.  Suspect is not.  Those are the official NCAA stats.

[purplebuckeye]

I don't know what you saw from the Mount players that was so bad.  I saw nearly 100 OTT players all jacked up and talking their smack at MUC.  The MUC players just said F*** YOU (not out loud I'm sure) and took the opening kickoff away and scored.  It was a good game for about one quarter, them the Raiders put the hammer down and the game was over.

[Toph]

As an independent observer for yesterday's game and someone who has seen a lot of OAC action at almost every venue, I got to say, I lost a lot of respect for Mount Union and their head coach yesterday. 

There is no way they should have let their team engage the Cardinals at mid-field like they did.  Otterbein does that before every home game no matter who the opponent is.  It showed poor sportsmanship and a lack of disrespect for the players on the other side of the field.  That's the kind of stuff you see out of teams struggling to win a game not a team with the background of Mount.

Mount is obviously so much better than everyone they play that they shouldn't need to do that kind of thing.  For the head coach to let that happen is pretty inexcusable in my book.   

It's a shame that Mount won't ever move up to a better division so they too can feel what it's like to get absolutely dominated on the football field, and disrespected off of it.

But hey, other than that it was a fun game to watch.

If you truly were an "independent observer" you would never suggest that Mount would move up a division.  First, I take issue with your suggestion that Division II is a "better" division.  It's a different division, not better.  Comparing DII and DIII is apples and oranges. 

If you were as well traveled and knowledgeable as you suggest you would understand that "moving up" isn't just as simple as having the football team move up to Division II.  It's a completely different athletic philosophy and every sport would have to move up with the football team.  From Mount Union's perspective it's impractical and counter to the college's philosophy.

I was in Westerville yesterday, and while I think Mount Union's players should have just ignored Otterbein rather than jawing with them, you make it seem as if Mount Union came over to Otterbein's sideline.  The entire Otterbein team ran 15 yards from Mount's sideline, and you're suggesting that it's Mount Union that needs to get under control?

If you're an Otterbein fan, that's fine, but don't tell us you're an independent observer, when you're very clearly not.

EDIT:  I did meet plenty of nice folks in Westerville yesterday (both Mount and Otterbein fans), but as an FYI to future tailgaters, don't take beer...you're not allowed to drink it in the parking lot.

[mtfan]

As an independent observer for yesterday's game and someone who has seen a lot of OAC action at almost every venue, I got to say, I lost a lot of respect for Mount Union and their head coach yesterday. 

There is no way they should have let their team engage the Cardinals at mid-field like they did.  Otterbein does that before every home game no matter who the opponent is.  It showed poor sportsmanship and a lack of disrespect for the players on the other side of the field.  That's the kind of stuff you see out of teams struggling to win a game not a team with the background of Mount.

Mount is obviously so much better than everyone they play that they shouldn't need to do that kind of thing.  For the head coach to let that happen is pretty inexcusable in my book.   

It's a shame that Mount won't ever move up to a better division so they too can feel what it's like to get absolutely dominated on the football field, and disrespected off of it.

But hey, other than that it was a fun game to watch.

a "lack of disrepect"?
i believe you meant a "lack of respect", because Mount always respects their opponent until an opponent shows the disrespect demonstrated by the SEC-esque midfield charade put in their face yesterday. Pre game taunting is what it is, players will be players, nothing is going ot change that, unfortunately its part of the gamesmanship between alot of rival schools today. Actually both schools showed plenty of restaint even when it  happened, beleive me I've seen much worse!  Then you state " for the head coach to let that happen is inexcusable in my book".
DO you honestly think either head coach is going to control 100+ players pre game egos and bottled adenaline from chirping and pointing fingers at one another? COME ON! WAKE UP! IF they were able to have total control over all that, then i think they'd be much more capable of parting the Red Sea on saturdays than coaching!   I beleive both coaches, along with officials, (if that's what you call the guys who were there yesterday in striped outfits  ) done an excellent job managing the situation at hand.
As for your last point you were trying to make about Mount moving up, well..........seeing that you haven't been on this board very much, i guess that statement is EXCUSABLE! read some archives as i won't elaborate on that.
YES it was an fun game and both teams settled it on the field. I'm sure Otterbein has a very legitimate shot at the playoffs and possibly a chance for a rematch! 

[ADL70]

Latest update on Pickems and Ott/MUC:

HCAC and SCAC have MUC at -14.5: pickers have MUC 8-0.
OAC has MUC at -17.5: pickers go 21-3 for MUC.
CCIW has MUC at -23.5: picks are currently 8-3 MUC.
NCAC has MUC at -30.5: picks are STILL 9-6 for MUC.*

Would 34.5 be enough to even things out?  44.5? 199.5?

[Personally, I took MUC at -17.5, but Ott at -23.5 (and -30.5).]

*Unless MUC really does do a 'monkey-stomp' on Ott, you guys might want to file this away for the next time an NCAC guy tries to pull out the 'brains' card.

The NCAC spread was closest and got most even split!

[bambord]

As an independent observer for yesterday's game and someone who has seen a lot of OAC action at almost every venue, I got to say, I lost a lot of respect for Mount Union and their head coach yesterday. 

There is no way they should have let their team engage the Cardinals at mid-field like they did.  Otterbein does that before every home game no matter who the opponent is.  It showed poor sportsmanship and a lack of disrespect for the players on the other side of the field.  That's the kind of stuff you see out of teams struggling to win a game not a team with the background of Mount.

Mount is obviously so much better than everyone they play that they shouldn't need to do that kind of thing.  For the head coach to let that happen is pretty inexcusable in my book.   

It's a shame that Mount won't ever move up to a better division so they too can feel what it's like to get absolutely dominated on the football field, and disrespected off of it.

But hey, other than that it was a fun game to watch.

I was curious about what had happened before kickoff and it remains unclear to me what Ott did or what Mount did.  It does seem clear that you, schmidty22, were not an independent or objective observer of the pre-game festivities.  From your lazy, hazy description, Ott's Loth may be guilty of "something" but, I won't make that accusation based on your post and dismiss, personally, the charge you aim at Coach Larry Kehres, one of the most widely respected coaches in all of football and a gentleman off of the field.

I moved to Alliance in 1965, and first watched the Raiders, in the middle of a decade in which the Raiders knew near domination by their competition.  A decade in which they went 44-47-1 during Coach Wable's first 9 seasons.  That gentleman's early record may have given hints to Raider fans, even older than I, of things to come.  It wasn't an era of Raider domination but it was respected.  Respect continued but domination came later.  Much later.  Raider domination even came long after domination by the Vikings.  Are you aware of Viking domination?

From 1983 to 1986, the Augustana College Vikings won four consecutive DIII National Championships; a feat not accomplished by Mount Union.  Did you lead a campaign for Augustana to move to a division in which they could "...get absolutely dominated on the football field, and disrespected off of it."?  I think not.  What is your "real" agenda, schmidty22?

[seadog2]

Hey Schmidty,
Stop Bawling like a baby! Your tears of dissapointment are getting my computer all wet. If you truly want to be a champion, you first need to act like one. Just because Ott was 8/0 they thought they could act like they were big time. We were not just better than you, we were a lot better than you and in more ways than one. When all your imports are gone and not playing anymore, you will once again be less than an average team. MUC moving to another division would not benefit you anyway, ask those that left the OAC thinking they could win more games by leaving. Of course you have that same option, maybe you should consider it and then we would not have to listen to you sniffle and whine. Sorry you lost, but you will get over it!

[seadog2]

Have you ever wondered if there might be a conspiracy of sorts towards MUC as far as officials go. These guys Saturday missed so many blatant fouls it wasn't funny. We always expect to be scrutinized, the better team usually is, even though we do receive lots of penalties we deserve. Saturday we had a player, that was pushed & shoved around after plays were over nearly all day, with no flag thrown. After taking a late shot inthe back, which should have been a definite penalty, he said something about it to a ref and they threw a flag on him.you  The only thing the ref said to the guy was something like "what do you care, your winning aren't you.? I always though they were supposed to protect players from injury, as well as call the fouls, maybe I'm wrong. I can handle bad calls being made, however not calling them just because the other team is not winning is wrong in my book. This is strictly my opinion.

[mtfan]

Latest update on Pickems and Ott/MUC:

HCAC and SCAC have MUC at -14.5: pickers have MUC 8-0.
OAC has MUC at -17.5: pickers go 21-3 for MUC.
CCIW has MUC at -23.5: picks are currently 8-3 MUC.
NCAC has MUC at -30.5: picks are STILL 9-6 for MUC.*

Would 34.5 be enough to even things out?  44.5? 199.5?

[Personally, I took MUC at -17.5, but Ott at -23.5 (and -30.5).]

*Unless MUC really does do a 'monkey-stomp' on Ott, you guys might want to file this away for the next time an NCAC guy tries to pull out the 'brains' card.

The NCAC spread was closest and got most even split!

CWRU70
LOL, i knew someone would bring this back to everyones attention! Good point and good luck to your team!

[mtfan]

JK
praying and hoping for the best for you, the wife and family. Wish you all Godspeed in recovery.