FB: Ohio Athletic Conference

[seventiesraider]

I'm sure this is utter crap

I'm sure that it is. CCIW is as good year in and year out as the OAC or WIAC. North Central almost beat Augustana. There aren't many OAC schools that could.

[HScoach]

CAN WE GET BACK TO D3 FOOTBALL??? 

No. 

[capfan9]

In regards to Sundays Bengals game:

Reporter: Do you want to hand the Colts their first loss?
Marvin Lewis: We will hand them their first loss.
Reporter: Come on, you want to beat them.
Marvin Lewis: I said, if they come in here undefeated, we will hand them their first loss.


WHO DEY!!!


GO CAP!!!

[Ajwassup]

The OAC is a stronger conference then CCIW.  Look at the conference playoff records.  The OAC has the best winning % in the playoffs out of any conference in DIII. CCIW is 8-7 in the playoffs.  The OAC has more wins in the playoffs then the CCIW has games played.  For schools that almost beat Augustana, i know that Ohio Northern, Capital, and John Carroll would all give them a good game, if not beating them.  The last time the OAC did not have a team in a National semi-final game was back in 1994.

[usee]

AJwassup-take away mt union and then compare the records and the conferences . hmmm, looks a little different then doesn't it? 

I should qualify that by saying augie has won 4 national titles in a row (even raider nation didn't do that! ) and we have now sent 4 different teams to the playoffs in the past two seasons. top to bottom our league is tough with 1 exception. look at the records and games within the cciw, every week its a battle (similarly to the WIAC). an augie team coming out undefeated is going to be tough and an ncc team who played augie down the the extra fieldgoal at augie isn't much behind. I won't argue cciw is better than OAC or WIAC but they are pretty certainly in the conversation.

[Ajwassup]

But Mount Union is in the OAC, so you have to include thier results with it.  When you talk OAC as a conference, you include all schools.  Then maybe if we talk CCIW, we should take away Augustana records too and then compare.  NO, every school in the conference is included

[reality check]

usee

Take MUC out if you like. 

That makes the JCU, ONU and BW a combined 7-1 if you remove MUC from the equation in the playoffs.  After all, those three schools are 7-4 overall in the playoffs and three of their four losses have come to Mount.  Furthermore, that winning percentage would rank those three schools behind only the NWC and the MIAC since the playoffs expanded. 

So to recap, 26-7, 7-4, 7-1 all still look better to me than 8-7.

[reality check]

Ric

I just saw on the future schedule page of onusports.com that ONU is slated to play MUC in Alliance again in 2006.  This seems odd as I can not recall a team playing back to back years at the same school.  Do you have a tentative 06 schedule to confirm what I read on the MUC side???

[Kira & Jaxon's Dad]

Ric

I just saw on the future schedule page of onusports.com that ONU is slated to play MUC in Alliance again in 2006.  This seems odd as I can not recall a team playing back to back years at the same school.  Do you have a tentative 06 schedule to confirm what I read on the MUC side???

Check the future schedules on Ric's site:
http://www.mtunionfootball.com/mtunionfootball/futureschedules.htm

[usee]

2 things in response: the 8-7 is only since the playoffs expanded ( i think) so since 1999. if you take stagg history you then factor in majority of the cciw (err augie) domination and that evens things out a bit more. also, i meant to highlight the strength of the two conferences top to bottom above the playoff format.

a cciw rep has been to mt union 8x (2 last year) of the last 10 years and fared about as well as anyone at muc over that time. since the playoffs expanded we are about 8-1 without mount. you also got the benefit of going east 1 year (it wouldn't be a stretch to assume another top school from the north could have done just as well). the only other data point we have is we beat the oac #2 on our field when everyone here thougt we would get blown out. we will all have some more data soon and the debate can rage on.

again, all i am arguing is the cciw is a top conference just like the oac. there isn't a very big gap between the two (top to bottom) in my opinion.

[HScoach]

Here's my take on the OAC vs CCIW thing over the last 15 years. 

The overall best team comes from the OAC (MUC). 

The most competive league top to bottom is the CCIW.

The 2nd, 3rd, 4th and 5th best teams might be an interesting question.  Depending on the year, it could be anyone from this group:  Augie, Wheaton, Carthage, NCC, ONU, JCU, Capital, JCU or BW.

What would be nice would be a 1 vs 1, 2 vs 2, 3 vs 3, etc league match up.  I'd predict that as follows:
1 - OAC
2 - pick em
3 - pick em
4 thru end - CCIW

[usee]

HS coach: good work on that. keep in mind the cciw has sent 6 of its 8 schools to the playoffs in the last 9 years.

playoff records for cciw and oac since 1973

OAC 51-18 (8 titles--did you remember BW won one way back when?)
CCIW 31-20 (4 titles)

the OAC is 10-4 v cciw. pretty sure the home team has won every time (not positive). (1-2 without mount. bw has lost 2x and ONU has 1 victory)

not sure what to make of any of this but i thougt it was interesting.

BTW, thanks to RIC because he has all this data on his site!!

[Ric]

usee thx -- the OAC has ten titles, WITT was a member way back when.  And when John Carroll quits whining about leaving the OAC and finally does WITT will be back again one day.

[Ric]

reality check / kirasdad every few years the OAC changes the rotation and teams do indeed play back to back in the same location.  Another brain storm of that wizard of a commissioner is to get rid of the rival week in week 10. So B-W and JCU will be facing each other early in the year the next few seasons.  You can see the entite future OAC schedules through 2009 at www.oac.org.

BTW a cpl years ago when it looked like Mount was going to have four home games it turned out the OAC had the schedules wrong.  Again, the wizard thing.  Lets just wait and see what happens next year because Averett says Mount's coming there next year which would mean four home games and that surprises me LK would go for that.

[Ric]

Here's the exact link to the future football schedules in the OAC:

http://www.oac.org/MENfootballF_Schedule.asp