FB: Ohio Athletic Conference

[SaintsFAN]

Although Mount has beaten St. John's more recently, noone has got over the Stagg loss of 2003 24-6, when Mount had truly one its best teams and did not get it done. A rematch with St. John's would be just fine!

Actually, just looked it up and it was 2003.  2004 was the loss in the Semis at home vs. UMHB.

After that loss is when MUC went away from the HUGE Offensive Lineman and made a move to the Smaller/Quicker variety.  I think in 2003 MUC's OL averaged taller and heavier than OSU.

Mount made the move to the smaller, quicker O-line, but OSU never did
and that is a big part of their problem today, too slow!!!

Looking at the 2003 Roster MUC had the following Seniors on the OL:
Larry Kinnard  6'6"  307
George Momirovic  6'5"  310
Dusty Wison  6'5"  320
Bob Bradley  6'5"  320
Brent Miller  6'2"  289
Blake Andrew  6'2"  245

TINY

yeah... my fat ass could run behind those guys today ---- even with as slow as I am.  sheesh.

[jam40jeff]

I would really really REALLY hope that the committee wouldn't massage the seedings of the top 4 teams as to avoid Mount Union and Whitewater in the Stagg Bowl.  If the bracket, when seeded accurately and fairly, says that Mount Union and Whitewater are the top two seeds (I don't see how it could be any other way), then those teams need to be in different halves of the bracket. 

The onus isn't on the committee to mix up the matchups in the Stagg Bowl.  The onus is on the rest of D-III to figure out how to get over on those guys.  If we keep getting Mount Union vs. Whitewater, it's because those teams played the game better than anybody else and earned it. 

I agree.  That would be garbage.  If they were going to fuddle with things to avoid MUC and UWW "making it too far", what's to stop them from eventually having them play in the first round "to give other teams a chance to make it further".  No. 1 and No. 2 should be seeded so that they meet in Salem, regardless of who they are.

[Kira & Jaxon's Dad]

Although Mount has beaten St. John's more recently, noone has got over the Stagg loss of 2003 24-6, when Mount had truly one its best teams and did not get it done. A rematch with St. John's would be just fine!

Actually, just looked it up and it was 2003.  2004 was the loss in the Semis at home vs. UMHB.

After that loss is when MUC went away from the HUGE Offensive Lineman and made a move to the Smaller/Quicker variety.  I think in 2003 MUC's OL averaged taller and heavier than OSU.

Mount made the move to the smaller, quicker O-line, but OSU never did
and that is a big part of their problem today, too slow!!!

Looking at the 2003 Roster MUC had the following Seniors on the OL:
Larry Kinnard  6'6"  307
George Momirovic  6'5"  310
Dusty Wison  6'5"  320
Bob Bradley  6'5"  320
Brent Miller  6'2"  289
Blake Andrew  6'2"  245

TINY

yeah... my fat ass could run behind those guys today ---- even with as slow as I am.  sheesh.

SJU found a way to run Around them though.

[MUCheats]

I wish the Cards were healthy too--I was looking forward to a tough game this weekend and was hoping that we would get to have a good challenge before the playoffs--unfortunately, because of the injuries, it doesn't look like that will be the case this weekend.

Me too.  I was really looking forward to another regular season match-up with a team that potentially had the fire power to push Mount before the playoffs.  The Raider team offense is coming together, but I'd feel much beter with another test under Rocco belt before we get to Week 11 and beyond.  There aren't going to be many Wilmingtons and John Carrolls in the playoffs.

Some of you Mount guys have a serious hard-on for John Carroll. 

[bleedpurple]

RC and Suit,

Regarding LK:

Having LK on the sidelines is a HUGE benefit when MUC takes the field. My reference simply meant that him being the winningest coach ever doesn't help MUC on a given Saturday. Without a doubt, all the things that MAKE HIM the winningest coach ever helps MUC greatly. Just wanted to clarify.

Suit,
MUC lost 4 games while you were there? Were you on the 6 year plan or what? 

[Raider 68]

I wish the Cards were healthy too--I was looking forward to a tough game this weekend and was hoping that we would get to have a good challenge before the playoffs--unfortunately, because of the injuries, it doesn't look like that will be the case this weekend.

Me too.  I was really looking forward to another regular season match-up with a team that potentially had the fire power to push Mount before the playoffs.  The Raider team offense is coming together, but I'd feel much beter with another test under Rocco belt before we get to Week 11 and beyond.  There aren't going to be many Wilmingtons and John Carrolls in the playoffs.

Some of you Mount guys have a serious hard-on for John Carroll. 

I have always respected JCU, but it is time for a new coaching staff.
Just look back a the coaching strategy going against Mount when JCU
had the wind advantage and when they did not have the wind. The coaches did not help the players.

JCU's program has been better thant hat and it is time for a change as it is with cross town rival B-W. Another good program with no vision ahead. I am surprized the alums are not up in arms ( but maybe they are).

[bleedpurple]

I would really really REALLY hope that the committee wouldn't massage the seedings of the top 4 teams as to avoid Mount Union and Whitewater in the Stagg Bowl.  If the bracket, when seeded accurately and fairly, says that Mount Union and Whitewater are the top two seeds (I don't see how it could be any other way), then those teams need to be in different halves of the bracket. 

The onus isn't on the committee to mix up the matchups in the Stagg Bowl.  The onus is on the rest of D-III to figure out how to get over on those guys.  If we keep getting Mount Union vs. Whitewater, it's because those teams played the game better than anybody else and earned it. 

Exactly. Hopefully, the committee won't even take the potential MUC/UWW matchup into consideration either way. I think they should do their best to honestly rank the teams and let the chips fall where they may. If things hold for the next couple of weeks, it seems like an easy year to seed the #1 seeds:

1. MUC:
2. UWW
3. St. John's
4. Wesley

[Mr. Ypsi]

RC and Suit,

Regarding LK:

Having LK on the sidelines is a HUGE benefit when MUC takes the field. My reference simply meant that him being the winningest coach ever doesn't help MUC on a given Saturday. Without a doubt, all the things that MAKE HIM the winningest coach ever helps MUC greatly. Just wanted to clarify.

Suit,
MUC lost 4 games while you were there? Were you on the 6 year plan or what? 

Maybe he was there before Mount Union became MOUNT UNION.

[Small but Slow]

Deep down all OAC followers want to see B-W & JCU return to their past glory, which they most likely will.  As a Mount grad I feel the better the historically prominant programs perform year in and year out the more respect the conference will receive nationally.  Name recognition is important to voters.  No disrespect to Cap, Ott, & ONU, those programs have raised their standards in recent years, but the Cleveland area schools struggles bring down the conference overall.  Both Cap & ONU have had some quality playoff runs recently, but B-W & JCU have history in the sport that even precedes Mount Union.  Until there is more balance at the very top of the conference the OAC will have difficulty getting more than one team in the playoffs.  Beating those two schools has to mean something again.

[HSCTiger74]

Deep down all OAC followers want to see B-W & JCU return to their past glory, which they most likely will.  As a Mount grad I feel the better the historically prominant programs perform year in and year out the more respect the conference will receive nationally.  Name recognition is important to voters.  No disrespect to Cap, Ott, & ONU, those programs have raised their standards in recent years, but the Cleveland area schools struggles bring down the conference overall.  Both Cap & ONU have had some quality playoff runs recently, but B-W & JCU have history in the sport that even precedes Mount Union.  Until there is more balance at the very top of the conference the OAC will have difficulty getting more than one team in the playoffs.  Beating those two schools has to mean something again.

But if B-W and JCU "return to their past glory" where are the extra wins going to come from? They might get their one OOC game every year, but 2-3 more wins for them would mean fewer wins for Cap, Ott & ONU (maybe even MUC, but I wouldn't bet on it). Even if you expect to consign the remaining four to be bottom-feeders forever you'd still end up with one dominant 9 or 10 win team and five teams with between 4 and 8 wins. You'd get the balance you wanted, but you wouldn't get more teams in the playoffs.

[seventiesraider]

Oh well,  if Big Mike can make the Berg a 500 team this year and continue to improve which I have no reason to believe they won't, other than the small size of the school, we will need some new bottom feeders (Wilmington, Marietta, Musky and JCU or Dubs depending on who wants to take a long hard look at their program.

BTW It's not like Carroll is a lowly athletics school, they have just lost the handle on their football program.

[PurpleSuit]

RC and Suit,

Regarding LK:

Having LK on the sidelines is a HUGE benefit when MUC takes the field. My reference simply meant that him being the winningest coach ever doesn't help MUC on a given Saturday. Without a doubt, all the things that MAKE HIM the winningest coach ever helps MUC greatly. Just wanted to clarify.

Suit,
MUC lost 4 games while you were there? Were you on the 6 year plan or what? 

Maybe he was there before Mount Union became MOUNT UNION.

no no.  i took the 5 year, victory lap, route.  Probably would have been an easy 4 years at a public school.  I tried to remember the losses by memory, but its not so easy.

on the JCU issue, here's my take. 

JCU and MUC were the perfect match in terms of rivals.  In the late 90's and early 00's, i.e. the 99 epic, JCU was like a perfect 10 girlfriend for Mount.  Then she (JCU) stayed hot for a while,  she (JCU) was hot until 2004, when she put on a ton of weight.    After Mount decided to move on, she (JCU) noticed a couple of new ladies hanging around (ONU and Cap) and slimmed down and tryed to win Mount back in 06 but failed. The bottom fell out, and now she (JCU) is drunk and sloppy, hanging out in the KFC parking lot telling anyone who listens about her glory days as the program that pushed Mount.

Hope that makes sense, in a Springer sort of way.

[seventiesraider]

Wow PurpleSuit- I knew I was up at 4:00 AM for some reason, to be the first to read that post   

Be sure to offer her some Jo-Jo Fries when you see her at KFC

[Caveman # 95]

RC and Suit,

Regarding LK:

Having LK on the sidelines is a HUGE benefit when MUC takes the field. My reference simply meant that him being the winningest coach ever doesn't help MUC on a given Saturday. Without a doubt, all the things that MAKE HIM the winningest coach ever helps MUC greatly. Just wanted to clarify.

Suit,
MUC lost 4 games while you were there? Were you on the 6 year plan or what? 

Maybe he was there before Mount Union became MOUNT UNION.

no no.  i took the 5 year, victory lap, route.  Probably would have been an easy 4 years at a public school.  I tried to remember the losses by memory, but its not so easy.

on the JCU issue, here's my take. 

JCU and MUC were the perfect match in terms of rivals.  In the late 90's and early 00's, i.e. the 99 epic, JCU was like a perfect 10 girlfriend for Mount.  Then she (JCU) stayed hot for a while,  she (JCU) was hot until 2004, when she put on a ton of weight.    After Mount decided to move on, she (JCU) noticed a couple of new ladies hanging around (ONU and Cap) and slimmed down and tryed to win Mount back in 06 but failed. The bottom fell out, and now she (JCU) is drunk and sloppy, hanging out in the KFC parking lot telling anyone who listens about her glory days as the program that pushed Mount.

Hope that makes sense, in a Springer sort of way.

This analogy gave me a deep belly laugh

[cufan]

I find it hard to believe BW's and JCU's coaches have forgotten how to coach or recruit.  I was wondering if the schools Pres. or top brass still give them the support needed to be competitive in the OAC?

Looking forward to a great game in Bexley tomorrow.