FB: Ohio Athletic Conference

[docgrad2005]

I wasn't offended as much as I didn't realize rivals is extremely outdated.

[PurpleSuit]

it was almost a compliment...nate kmic was one of those "step too slow" guys for D1, he ended up having a decent career at MUC

as Manuel Willocq said,  Mount is built on the step too slow, too small guys that want to work hard.  Roush sounds like he has all-american talent, lets just hope he can become the next Kern

btw, Mount has a 7 on 7 scheduled for 1pm Saturday, for those interested

[Raider 68]

it was almost a compliment...nate kmic was one of those "step too slow" guys for D1, he ended up having a decent career at MUC

as Manuel Willocq said,  Mount is built on the step too slow, too small guys that want to work hard.  Roush sounds like he has all-american talent, lets just hope he can become the next Kern

btw, Mount has a 7 on 7 scheduled for 1pm Saturday, for those interested

Yea, 8,000+ yards is very decent, considering that it has not been done before!

In some positions, many Mount players could have played D1 with no problem.
How about #85 with the Colts, or Chris Kern, or Larry Cunnard(sp)?

[Raider 68]

it was almost a compliment...nate kmic was one of those "step too slow" guys for D1, he ended up having a decent career at MUC

as Manuel Willocq said,  Mount is built on the step too slow, too small guys that want to work hard.  Roush sounds like he has all-american talent, lets just hope he can become the next Kern

btw, Mount has a 7 on 7 scheduled for 1pm Saturday, for those interested

PurpleSuit,

Have you been to a 7 v 7 at Mount, is it mainly QB's and receivers?

Thanks

[beenhit2hard]

7 on 7,,no guards,no tackles,,

[Raider 68]

7 on 7,,no guards,no tackles,,

I have heard some DB's as well depending who is available.

[reality check]

7 on 7,,no guards,no tackles,,

I have heard some DB's as well depending who is available.

This is hilarious.

[short]

it was almost a compliment...nate kmic was one of those "step too slow" guys for D1, he ended up having a decent career at MUC

as Manuel Willocq said,  Mount is built on the step too slow, too small guys that want to work hard.  Roush sounds like he has all-american talent, lets just hope he can become the next Kern

btw, Mount has a 7 on 7 scheduled for 1pm Saturday, for those interested

http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/dsprofile.php?pyid=68172&draftyear=2009&genpos=rb

http://www.nfl.com/combine/top-performers

Nate Kmic was never a "step too slow" guy for D1.  He was to White (for his position) and small.... not in that order. Sorry if that offends anyone but it is call reverse racism and it is very real.  Mount Union isn't made on step to slow guy, they are made on 2or3 inch to short guy or small High school guy or late bloomer guy and MAYBE "1/2" "step too slow" guy.

[BashDad]

Too "white?" Please. Count me in the group that guffaws at such a knee-jerk reaction. Was he good enough to play D1? I doubt anyone would argue against that, though I'd bet his "whiteness" wasn't as much a problem as his size and 40 time (he was more like two or three steps slow, compared to other starting backs his height or shorter), not to mention the limited number of roster spots per team for running backs (and scholarship offers in a given year-- two? three?), small-school/conference/class bias, and all the rest.

Playing the race card is reductive and worse: boring and unimaginative. It's ridiculous in hindsight that Kmic slipped through the D1 cracks, but so did guys like Tony Sutton, Pierre Garcon, Aaron Lafitte, Andy Studebaker, Larry Beavers,  Pete Ittersagen, on and on and on-- not to mention the POY winners/All-Americans in every division above ours. It makes for great stories when these overlooked players excel in small(er) college programs, but what makes those stories interesting and the legacy of the players last, has nothing to do with race. Or shouldn't. Grow up.

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Bashdad,

did you even read my links? I didn't think so. Nate Kmic was NOT to slow in fact his pro-day 40 yard dash times would have placed him in the top 10 of RB at the NFL combine in 2010.  Racism does excited.  I have over stepped my boundary saying that was one of the reasons he did not get a D1 scholarship but I can promise you it didn't help him.  You see Kmic didn't pass what is known as "the eye test" he didn't look like a D1 running back because of his size and maybe his skin too.  After all when was the last time you saw a White RB @ a D1 school that was less than 200pds.  Just read these links:

http://www.newshounds.us/2010/04/22/sean_hannity_eager_to_allege_reverse_racism_in_nfltoby_gerhart_case.php

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/310246-the-death-of-the-white-running-back-an-nfl-mystery

http://finkorswim.com/2010/04/20/no-white-running-backs-allowed/
   

[BashDad]

Excuse me if I ignore any link with Sean Hannity in the type-set.

Gerhardt brought all these stories to the surface, each written and received with a kind of indifferent "who-knows" shrug. I read them when they appeared. I won't again. It's an interesting observation, but the argument is grossly indistinct and broad enough to allow ANY white running back in the whole free world to be used as an example of somewhere-somehow injustice. It's an abstraction and one that's easy to employ when certain enthusiasm trumps a desire for rational investigation.

Your post, by the way, wasn't about the NFL. Your link was barely relevant to your idea, though I did look at it and I believe I responded accurately: look at the drafted backs under 5'10. You're talking 4.4s and lower. Ian Johnson ran the fastest time last year and went from Heisman candidate to undrafted free agent.  So whatever. No dice.

"Racism does exist": Really?! Get out.

[short]

Believe what you want Bashdad, I don't really care. My argument wasn't really meant to be about racism to begin with. It was an argument that Kmic wasn't "a step to slow" Kmic ran a 4.47 at a pro-day timed by NFL scouts!!! That isn't a step slow to play D1 running back.  But you ignorantly typed that he "was more like two or three steps slow".  That Bashdad is foolish!  I only mentioned race trying to find a reason why he was overlooked, I was WRONG and should not have say what is opinion.  I am sorry if I "bored" you with my backward way of thinking of racism. BUT DON'T TELL ME TO GET OUT! Sorry, but that arrogant bossy tone really annoys me Bashdad.  

PS
I am not a close minded racist.  If anything I believe I am a realist that happened to talk about a touchy subject.  However, I was wrong to say that was why he wasn't a D1 football player and I don't believe that to be the case. With that said, I don't think being white helped you ether. Not that if he were black, green, purple, or red would have meant that I think he would have gotten a scholarship.  Sorry to all that I have offended.

 

[BashDad]

Kmic also ran a 4.66 in front of NFL scouts. I can pick one of the three times, too.

For what it's worth, I never called you, nor believe you to be, a racist. But way to go with your backwards-forwards routine (first you're "wrong," then you're "a realist that happened to talk about a touchy subject" as if my only objection is to the mention of "race"; it's not).  By the way, I'm not OFFENDED by what you said, I just think it's [uninformed]-- aren't there any number of ways to get at the limited number of white running backs in college and the pros other than proclaiming racist tendencies in evaluating talent. I'm certainly no expert, but I can imagine it'd make a great study.

[BashDad]

For instance:

Most high schools offer these Fall Sports for boys: Soccer, Cross Country, Fall Baseball, and Football.

It's a bit irresponsible to use my Evansville, Indiana high school as representative of race in America, but it's close enough to hold steady through my point. We had a demographic breakdown of about 70% white, 25% black. Out of those involved in fall sports, I can remember only a handful of African-Americans who played soccer or ran cross country. Out of 40 kids out for football, though, we had close to thirty.

I'd venture a guess that if you did a survey nation-wide you'd find similar data: the ratio of fall-athletes/football players in African Americans is probably much higher than the same ratio in whites. So what's that mean? Where does that come from?

I bet it begins much earlier than high school and involves drawing data from a host of different variables-- socio-economic and all the rest (what communities offer what sports at what age, etc. etc.).

The point being, though, that if a larger population of a "Race A" is playing "Sport B" the pool from which to pull the elite is going to be much bigger, much more statistically probable and, with special emphasis regarding our conversation, utterly exponential. When the statistics of "those who make it" dwindle to the single digits, what demographic is going to have the edge, the bigger population or the smaller? When the world cup begins in the next couple weeks, count how many on the American side are black.

[BashDad]

And finally, if you don't want to engage the previous post and stay in the realm of generalities, I'll offer this:

Jake Knott had a similar career as Kmic; slipped through the cracks of D-I recruiting, started as a freshman (set the NCAA All-Division record for passing as frosh), ended up the all-divisions state leader in passing yards and touchdowns, ran a pretty good 40, and didn't catch in the NFL. That's not to mention Michelli, Adamson, or the host of other white quarterbacks who damn-well should have been playing in higher divisions.

The way these examples get met in white running-back obituaries is by arguing a racist difference in how the positions are perceived: whites are smart, blacks are strong and fast. But why would such profiling only exist with regards to running-backs? Why not linebackers? Or Safeties? Doesn't it seem ridiculous to suggest Kmic, because he's white, wasn't given a chance in a physically dominant position, but Andy Studebaker was? Couldn't it have more to do with the number of roster spots/scholarship offers/contracts available to running backs in relation to linebackers?