FB: Ohio Athletic Conference

[Raider 68]

For all those late sixties/seventies graduates here and there seem to be several, remember when the size of players were on average:

QB- 5' 11"-  6 1" 175-185

RB - 5'8" - 5' 10" 170-190 (the 190 was usually a FB)

OL - 6'1" - 6'3" 215- 250

DL - 5' 10" 6' 1" 205- 245

TE - 6' - 6' 3"  190- 210

LB - 5'9"- 6'  185- 205

DB- 5' 8"- 5' 11" 160 - 180

Now you compare today's size, wow!

[seventiesraider]

Wideouts - 6' 1" 195 lbs with pads, helmets and cleats and had never heard of running a 40

We had a few guys that seriously looked like football players, Dom Capers, and Mickey Muffet

[Raider 68]

Wideouts - 6' 1" 195 lbs with pads, helmets and cleats and had never heard of running a 40

We had a few guys that seriously looked like football players, Dom Capers, and Mickey Muffet

The term " wideouts' was not used then, I believe, it was "flanker or split end"! 6'1" 195 was enormous then including pads, cleats, helmuts and large water jugs! Take that all  away and you are back to 6'  180.

[reality check]

The high end of each position listed is actually pretty accurate for the starting point for each position now.  I find that interesting.

For example:

6'1" 185 QB - exactly what Kyle Simmons is listed at.  Seaman was listed at 6'1" 195 lbs.  Pentello was 6'1" 180 when he arrived.  (By the time his decade-run was up he had put on 30 lbs though.)

5'10 190 RB - remind you of anyone?  

5'11" 180 DB - CAP's James Starks, ONU's Wes Hostetler, MUC's Chaz Jordan and Daryl Ely are all in that range or smaller.

[seventiesraider]

Wideouts - 6' 1" 195 lbs with pads, helmets and cleats and had never heard of running a 40

We had a few guys that seriously looked like football players, Dom Capers, and Mickey Muffet

The term " wideouts' was not used then

I'm trying to stop using Middle Guard

And I was a "split end"

[drt]

As memory serves, Witt had an All-OAC DT on the '75 Stagg Bowl team that pushed the scale at 180# by the end of that season.  My how times change.....

[HScoach]

Yes, the times have definitely changed when it comes to the size, speed and strength of players. 

Back in my HS playing days of the mid-80's, we were a mid-sized school (smallest of the AAA which would equate to about Division 2 now) that won our conference (Senate League) with pulling guards/LB's that went 5'10" – 180 lbs.  I started at center/D-tackle and was 2nd biggest guy on the team at 5'11"-225 lbs.  The only one bigger was the 300 lb fat kid that never saw the field.  Our off-season training program consisted of bailing hay when the sun was shining and marginally lifting weights at the school when the weather sucked.  As a senior in 1986, I benched 305 and was the 2nd strongest behind one of our guards/LB's. 

In 10 games, I can only remember playing against one guy that manhandled us at the line of scrimmage.  Big ole SOB from Carrollton (Warner I think was his name) that went around 6'4", 250.  Every other opponent we could match up with just fine strength-wise.

Fast forward to the late 90's as a line coach at my alma mater with an O-line averaging 240 with most of the guys over 6'1".  And everyone of them benched over 300.  Our TB was a beast (Levi Madison) who went 215 lbs, benched 400+ and could squat more than we had in free weights to load the bar with.  The amount of off-season weight training/speed work Levi did in a week was more than we did during the entire time span between wrestling season and the start of football summer camp.  The speed and strength increase in the average HS player in 10-15 years between me playing and coaching really shocked me.   And it's only increased more since then.

[jaypeter]

Yet another recognition of PG's skills on Foxsports.com today.  He's listed as one of their Top 10 underpaid players in the league.  His 460k salary and team leading 16.3 ypc were cited.

[Knightstalker]

Yes, the times have definitely changed when it comes to the size, speed and strength of players. 

Back in my HS playing days of the mid-80's, we were a mid-sized school (smallest of the AAA which would equate to about Division 2 now) that won our conference (Senate League) with pulling guards/LB's that went 5'10" – 180 lbs.  I started at center/D-tackle and was 2nd biggest guy on the team at 5'11"-225 lbs.  The only one bigger was the 300 lb fat kid that never saw the field.  Our off-season training program consisted of bailing hay when the sun was shining and marginally lifting weights at the school when the weather sucked.  As a senior in 1986, I benched 305 and was the 2nd strongest behind one of our guards/LB's. 

In 10 games, I can only remember playing against one guy that manhandled us at the line of scrimmage.  Big ole SOB from Carrollton (Warner I think was his name) that went around 6'4", 250.  Every other opponent we could match up with just fine strength-wise.

Fast forward to the late 90's as a line coach at my alma mater with an O-line averaging 240 with most of the guys over 6'1".  And everyone of them benched over 300.  Our TB was a beast (Levi Madison) who went 215 lbs, benched 400+ and could squat more than we had in free weights to load the bar with.  The amount of off-season weight training/speed work Levi did in a week was more than we did during the entire time span between wrestling season and the start of football summer camp.  The speed and strength increase in the average HS player in 10-15 years between me playing and coaching really shocked me.   And it's only increased more since then.

In the late 70's our school was group 2 in NJ which is medium sized.  Our line averaged about 5'8" and about 160.  I was 6'1 and 195 and the third biggest kid on the team, we had a tackle that was about 5'10" and 215 and a fullback that was 5'8" and 205 and no neck.  We ran the Veer and depended on speed and strength.  We had the same off season lifting plan as HS Coach.

[Mr. Ypsi]

Back in the mid 60s my HS in Peoria took on a Chicago school who's OL and DL averaged well over 250 (with a couple of 300+ kids).  The local fishwrap wrote obituaries for our team leading up to the game.

What they obviously forgot is that (especially back then) that big for a HS student is just fat, not strong.  We won 35-0, and just to make a point scored all 5 TDs right up the middle.  Clearly we could have run all day around the outside (they were fat AND slow), but why bother?!

[seventiesraider]

What they obviously forgot is that (especially back then) that big for a HS student is just fat, not strong.  We won 35-0, and just to make a point scored all 5 TDs right up the middle.  Clearly we could have run all day around the outside (they were fat AND slow), but why bother?!

That's been true till recently on a lot of D3 teams till recently. My brother's quote about Tom Arth's JCU offense line was, "Five guys named Tater."

[75 bucks]

New coach at Wilmington

http://athletics.wilmington.edu/athletics/

[Raider 68]

New coach at Wilmington

http://athletics.wilmington.edu/athletics/

Glad to see Wilmington hire a good coach who happens to be an alum!

I wish him well!

[seventiesraider]

New O-coaches at B-Duds. I'll reserve the Piano Player in a whore house jokes for later in the season 
New BW Coaches positions

[Raider 68]

New O-coaches at B-Duds. I'll reserve the Piano Player in a whore house jokes for later in the season 
New BW Coaches positions

The only announcement that should be coming from B-W (B-Duds) is the hiring of a new Head Coach! That would be worth the ink.