FB: Ohio Athletic Conference

[02 Warhawk]

thanks to Pat for sticking up for Mount in the regional ratings, but as someone later said, things will work themselves out....the only thing I see negative is that they may have to travel in the first week of the playoffs if things stay the same.....
This team is coming on, so I think the best is ahead...not just this year  either, but two or three down the road looks darn good....
I saw what LK sees in Piloto in the second half of the Jv game at Ashland...wow...he can light it up..

Barring a loss, how could UMU have to travel the first week??

Since Wheaton/NCC still play each other, UMU cannot finish lower than 2nd (home until the third week), and will almost certainly end up being ranked first (UWW was FOURTH in the first West rankings last year).

If for some strange NCC finishes ahead of mount in the region, the only mount road game would be if they end up playing NCC. and i doubt it'll be in the first round

[skunks_sidekick]

It's not even worth talking about at this point other than to wonder when was the last time Mount traveled for a play-off game, other than to Salem?  LAX in '95?

Hey........I am all good with flying into Chicago, hanging for the weekend, and taking the train out to NCC for the regional final.  I LOVE Chicago!

How is Piloto ever going to see the field with Seaman firmly entrenched as the starter?  I truly believe either he, and/or our young freshman will transfer before it's all through (barring an injury).

[Mr. Ypsi]

It's not even worth talking about at this point other than to wonder when was the last time Mount traveled for a play-off game, other than to Salem?  LAX in '95?

Hey........I am all good with flying into Chicago, hanging for the weekend, and taking the train out to NCC for the regional final.  I LOVE Chicago!

How is Piloto ever going to see the field with Seaman firmly entrenched as the starter?  I truly believe either he, and/or our young freshman will transfer before it's all through (barring an injury).

From your fingers to God's ears!

With Wheaton and NCC both ahead of UMU, the winner of that game should finish ahead of UMU, but I think we all know that Mount will ultimately be seeded first.  Just a question of first in the 'north' or the 'east'.

I think the ultimate question for the Wheaton/NCC winner is whether they beat out UST - will UST get a #1 (bringing UWW to the 'north')?  (And, of course, will Montclair St. hold the 'east' for the east, or will UMU go 'east'?)

[seventiesraider]

How about first in the South, it is after all November

[old scot]

Huge slap in the face to WW and Mount with the regional rankings. No.1 in the land second in their region and No.2 nationally, #3  in their region.

It seems the voting powers in DIII are tired of the yearly final game of WW and Mount. Maybe these rankings will give other schools false hope but, Salem will likely be full of purple again.

[Mr. Ypsi]

How about first in the South, it is after all November

IMO, it doesn't matter except to the south.  Whether the south ends up being H-S, UMHB, or Wesley, I don't personally see any of them being exported to another region.

To me, the potential 'export' action is the 'north', 'east', and 'west'.

[02 Warhawk]

Huge slap in the face to WW and Mount with the regional rankings. No.1 in the land second in their region and No.2 nationally, #3  in their region.

It seems the voting powers in DIII are tired of the yearly final game of WW and Mount. Maybe these rankings will give other schools false hope but, Salem will likely be full of purple again.

i don't think anyone in the OAC or WIAC boards are worried. These regional rankings always seem to correct themselves over the next three weeks.

[hazzben]

Huge slap in the face to WW and Mount with the regional rankings. No.1 in the land second in their region and No.2 nationally, #3  in their region.

It seems the voting powers in DIII are tired of the yearly final game of WW and Mount. Maybe these rankings will give other schools false hope but, Salem will likely be full of purple again.

Disagree. It's just the first regional ranking and the committee is following the criteria they've been given. In-region W-L, SOS, etc. These will all continue to sort themselves out. NCC v. Wheaton will knock one of them down. UST's SOS will continue to fall and UWW in-region W-L will continue to build.

Bottom line, the final regional ranking isn't published. So even if the regional committees had UMU and UWW at #2 in each region, the Selection Committee has the leeway to bump them both up to #1 seeds in a region if they choose.

And rest assured, if they are both undefeated, they will be #1 seeds in some region. It's just a question, as Yipsi stated, of whether they are in the East, North or West.

The fact that the CCIW is getting such props regionally is actually probably a good thing for UMU. If NCC was deemed worthy of a #1 and UMU moved east, they would have a far easier bracket to navigate en-route to Salem...not that they've needed that sort of help in years past

[Kira & Jaxon's Dad]

How about first in the South, it is after all November

My calendar still says October.   

[skunks_sidekick]

Mr. Ypsi - we were having a great bonding moment until you said.........

"With Wheaton and NCC both ahead of UMU, the winner of that game should finish ahead of UMU"

Ummmm.........to put in succinctly......OH HELL NO!!!   

I know that past performance shouldn't have much bearing on the current set of circumstances, but until a team from that conference actually BEATS Mount, there is no way they should ever be ranked ahead of the Raiders (assuming like records of course).  Call that purple myopia, but I believe the past almost twenty years of historical data tells us that I am speaking play-off realities, and not just trumpeting Mount's cause.  (Not that they need me to do so anyway). 

As discussed around these boards the past few days/years, the SOS factor is really overrated.  When you have a conference like the OAC, where the members are already locked into 9 games, there are going to be some years  (maybe like this one) where due to circumstances beyond their control, a team's SOS is going to be down.  It has no bearing on how good that team may or may not be, and therefore should have little to do with the final rankings.

[Stagg Again!!]

Mr. Ypsi - we were having a great bonding moment until you said.........

"With Wheaton and NCC both ahead of UMU, the winner of that game should finish ahead of UMU"

Ummmm.........to put in succinctly......OH HELL NO!!!   

Then, let me bond with you (so to speak) for a moment sidekick.  As a CCIW fan, I am a firm believer that the road to the top of the Mountain (pun intended) in the North runs through Alliance.  Until the stronger CCIW teams prove that they can get past the third round of the playoffs and/or until the MTU program shows signs that it is clearly in a downward slide, MTU must get its due -- whether that be as a #1 in the North or East.  I would have said the same thing about Augustana in the day when they were perched atop DIII.  Personally, I would enjoy seeing a MTU v. NCC game in Alliance as it would give another of the CCIW teams (aside from Wheaton) a chance to knock the king off of the top of the hill.  But, as I said on the CCIW site, there is so much football to be played and I am not going to participate in anymore playoff ranking or  regional ranking discussion until after the NCC v. Wheaton game in two weeks when there is more clarity surrounding the CCIW champion.

[108Vincent]

It's not even worth talking about at this point other than to wonder when was the last time Mount traveled for a play-off game, other than to Salem?  LAX in '95?

2005, the year they were upset by ONU and finished the regular season at 9 - 1, they had a first round game at Mount St. Joseph

[ncc58]

I expect that in three weeks, Mount Union and UWW will be #1 seeds. But, I disagree with the premise that UMU should be #1 until someone beats them. Each season is different and should be ranked based on their performance in this season. You don't get to carry over goodwill credits.

Maybe you don't like the SOS, and maybe the OAC doesn't benefit from it with only one non-conference game. But each year, the SOS is one of the criteria that determines the Pool C selections. There have been discussions this week (including on ATN) that a 9-1 Wheaton team would be a Pool C selection but a 9-1 NCC team would not based on the SOS.

I know that past performance shouldn't have much bearing on the current set of circumstances, but until a team from that conference actually BEATS Mount, there is no way they should ever be ranked ahead of the Raiders (assuming like records of course).  Call that purple myopia, but I believe the past almost twenty years of historical data tells us that I am speaking play-off realities, and not just trumpeting Mount's cause.  (Not that they need me to do so anyway). 

As discussed around these boards the past few days/years, the SOS factor is really overrated. 

[02 Warhawk]

I expect that in three weeks, Mount Union and UWW will be #1 seeds. But, I disagree with the premise that UMU should be #1 until someone beats them. Each season is different and should be ranked based on their performance in this season. You don't get to carry over goodwill credits.

Maybe you don't like the SOS, and maybe the OAC doesn't benefit from it with only one non-conference game. But each year, the SOS is one of the criteria that determines the Pool C selections. There have been discussions this week (including on ATN) that a 9-1 Wheaton team would be a Pool C selection but a 9-1 NCC team would not based on the SOS.

I know that past performance shouldn't have much bearing on the current set of circumstances, but until a team from that conference actually BEATS Mount, there is no way they should ever be ranked ahead of the Raiders (assuming like records of course).  Call that purple myopia, but I believe the past almost twenty years of historical data tells us that I am speaking play-off realities, and not just trumpeting Mount's cause.  (Not that they need me to do so anyway). 

As discussed around these boards the past few days/years, the SOS factor is really overrated. 

Undefeated, #2 in the country, and play in the second toughest conference in the country....that to me sounds like a deserving number #1 regional seed (no matter what other teams in the country are doing).

[Pat Coleman]

2005, the year they were upset by ONU and finished the regular season at 9 - 1, they had a first round game at Mount St. Joseph

Not true.