FB: Ohio Athletic Conference

[emma17]

02- As long as I'm going to take the beating, The second toughest conference in DIII-Really 02?  Based on what?  Wins and losses?  It gets difficult to measure conferences when some can only play one non-con game.  I think Wesley and Case Western Reserve were the two good teams the OAC took on in non conf games. ONU beats River Falls and all OAC teams not named Mt and that gets them a #8 final ranking? Ahead of Linfield, Trine and Wheaton?  Really?  


OK, have at me, but come with facts please.    

If you insist.....

D3football.com conference rankings.

Ahh, so if DIII said it, then...
Curious if you have any thoughts of your own to support OAC as the second toughest conference in 2010?

I think the top 3-4 teams in the OAC are better than just about any conference's top 3-4 teams...including the WIAC (with the exception of UWW of course  ).

However, there's isn't a conference in DIII that's more competitive from top to bottom than the WIAC. I will take the bottom half of the WIAC over any other conference's bottom half. That's what separates the WIAC from the rest of the pack, IMO.

Thanks for that.
So, I said three in my post, so let's focus on 3.  What group of 3 would you prefer to play if you wanted the best 3 game record:

St. Thomas
St. Johns
Bethel

North Central
Wheaton
Il Wesl.

Mary Hardin-Baylor
Louisiana Coll
Hardin-Simmons

Linfield
Pac Luth
Willamette

Mt Union
Ohio Northern
Baldwin-Wallace

UWW
Stevens Point
Stout

[reality check]

Thanks Sonny Hazleton.  I would also advise a posting moratorium until after the season.


Why are we getting all twisted about toughest conference in 2010 when it's all a hypothetical debate to begin with?  No one wins a battle of opinions because they are just that; opinions. 

Emma

You seem to be all about stirring the pot and also making yourself a bit of a martyr.  I questioned your comment about toughest game (despite your "closest game" qualifier) because closest score means very little in terms of toughest opponent.  If we were judging based on closeness of contest as the "toughest" then everybody better give Marietta the second place OAC trophy right now considering they only lost to Mount 28-14.  Don't be silly.  Mount was in hangover mode and played a sloppy game against a bad Marietta team. 

Did you really just ask if I'd rather play Mount/ONU/BW or Linfield/Pac Lutheran/Willamette?  Good lord.

[emma17]

Thanks Sonny Hazleton.  I would also advise a posting moratorium until after the season.


Why are we getting all twisted about toughest conference in 2010 when it's all a hypothetical debate to begin with?  No one wins a battle of opinions because they are just that; opinions. 

Emma

You seem to be all about stirring the pot and also making yourself a bit of a martyr.  I questioned your comment about toughest game (despite your "closest game" qualifier) because closest score means very little in terms of toughest opponent.  If we were judging based on closeness of contest as the "toughest" then everybody better give Marietta the second place OAC trophy right now considering they only lost to Mount 28-14.  Don't be silly.  Mount was in hangover mode and played a sloppy game against a bad Marietta team. 

Did you really just ask if I'd rather play Mount/ONU/BW or Linfield/Pac Lutheran/Willamette?  Good lord.

Reality,
Aren't most sports discussions hypothetical in some way?  That's kind of what makes it fun-no?  I guess I'm stirring the pot, but I'm responding to comments of others- afterall I believe it was Purplesuit-one of your own, that asked me to post my thoughts on Oshkosh vs. Mt.   
I realize looking at scores isn't the best or only way to determine how tough a team is, but I think there is a place for it among other information. 
And yes, I'd rather play the 2010 version of the OAC than any of the other conferences I listed. I just don't think 2-3 are as rough as the other conferences would be. 

By the way, my apologies to ONU as I didn't include their win over Wittenberg in a previous post- it was unintentional and it does give a bit more support to a national ranking (just not 8).   

[emma17]

Thanks Sonny Hazleton.  I would also advise a posting moratorium until after the season.


Why are we getting all twisted about toughest conference in 2010 when it's all a hypothetical debate to begin with?  No one wins a battle of opinions because they are just that; opinions. 

Emma

You seem to be all about stirring the pot and also making yourself a bit of a martyr.  I questioned your comment about toughest game (despite your "closest game" qualifier) because closest score means very little in terms of toughest opponent.  If we were judging based on closeness of contest as the "toughest" then everybody better give Marietta the second place OAC trophy right now considering they only lost to Mount 28-14.  Don't be silly.  Mount was in hangover mode and played a sloppy game against a bad Marietta team. 

Did you really just ask if I'd rather play Mount/ONU/BW or Linfield/Pac Lutheran/Willamette?  Good lord.

I was curious about that Mt vs. Marietta game, it sure did seem close for a Mt game vs a conference opponent.  Hmm, looks like no Cecil that game.  Interesting.   

[beenhit2hard]

I think the fact that ONU is on Mount's schedule, and at home, is why 70's said they would be a serious challange.  I guess someone would have to be choosen as Mount's toughest game. 

I just don't get it.  Why is ONU considered a serious challenge if Oshkosh is not.
The stats for the 2010 games are monstrously in favor of Oshkosh being a tougher challenge- without even considering what each team brings back.  ONU gained 183 yards to Oshkosh's 436.  ONU scored 0 points, Oshkosh put up 28 points- twice as much as any other team except the other WIAC team Mt played.  Oshkosh brings their offensive stars and defensive backfield back this year. 
Must be an OAC thing. 

emma17,

Since 1994, the Raiders have lost only 4 home games, 2 regular season 1994 B-W 10-23, 2005 ONU 14-21,
Playoffs  1995 UW-LAC 17-20, 2005 MHB 35-38. Their record for regular season games was over 100 before
the loss to ONU in 2005, and it is over 100 and counting for away regular season.

The numbers just say the ONU away could be their toughest game this fall, it does not mean that UW-Osh
will do poorly against them.

ROWAN 1999 semi game

[seventiesraider]

Easy to forget the 1999 Rowan game. I know I'd like to.

[major tom]

Scrimmages should be coming up here soon I was wondering who, where and when some of the OAC teams were scrimmaging? 

[ADL70]

BW @ CWRU 8/25

[seventiesraider]

Mount traditionally scrimmages Washington and Jefferson. It will be at Mount 8/26 at 10:00 AM. Mount's photo/media day will be this Wednesday at 1PM and is open to fans, parents and media

[seventiesraider]

Cecil lead Jag receivers with 5 receptions and Kyle Miller had 1, along with some good special teams play

[Knightstalker]

Cecil lead Jag receivers with 5 receptions and Kyle Miller had 1, along with some good special teams play

Has to work on taking a handoff on an end-around though.  It was the only questionable moment I saw for CS in the game, otherwise he looked pretty good.  Saw one good block down field that no one on TV mentioned.

[amonachino]

Jaguars rookie WR Cecil Shorts on the fumbled end-around which he tried to scoop up instead of landing on: "I was thinking, messed up, pick it up and try to make something happen. But it's the NFL. I learned that fast. Just a mistake. I'm a rookie, got a lot to learn. I think I did a good job of bouncing back though. ... Defense did a hell of a job holding only to a field goal, so that was a good thing

[Raider 68]

Cecil lead Jag receivers with 5 receptions and Kyle Miller had 1, along with some good special teams play

Hope Cecil and Kyle keep getting better!

[Shark]

02- As long as I'm going to take the beating, The second toughest conference in DIII-Really 02?  Based on what?  Wins and losses?  It gets difficult to measure conferences when some can only play one non-con game.  I think Wesley and Case Western Reserve were the two good teams the OAC took on in non conf games. ONU beats River Falls and all OAC teams not named Mt and that gets them a #8 final ranking? Ahead of Linfield, Trine and Wheaton?  Really?  


OK, have at me, but come with facts please.    

If you insist.....

D3football.com conference rankings.

Ahh, so if DIII said it, then...
Curious if you have any thoughts of your own to support OAC as the second toughest conference in 2010?

I think the top 3-4 teams in the OAC are better than just about any conference's top 3-4 teams...including the WIAC (with the exception of UWW of course  ).

However, there's isn't a conference in DIII that's more competitive from top to bottom than the WIAC. I will take the bottom half of the WIAC over any other conference's bottom half. That's what separates the WIAC from the rest of the pack, IMO.

I agree.

[pradierguy]

From Peter King's MMQB this morning:

"Great note by Vito Stellino in the Florida Times Union. He wrote the Jags, under character-conscious Gene Smith, didn't have a single player on the 90-man roster from scandal-plagued USC, Miami (Fla.) or Ohio State. But they did have two apiece from Mount Union (Ohio) and Norfolk State, where, presumably, $50,000 checks are not being written to star players."