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[Desertraider]

P Garcon is listed as one ot the top 10 free agents at WR. Also, Cleveland Plain dealer
article that the Browns are also interested in him. A once Browns fan (pre 1999), Pierre can to better than the Browns, IMHO!

Pierre is getting alot of attention.
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1068190-2012-nfl-free-agents-why-pierre-garcon-is-perfect-fit-for-miami-dolphins

Ihave seen reports of interest from Pats, Texans, Dolphins, Chargers and of course the Colts and then the Browns. Word of advice for Pierre from a never-was....run from Clevetown! Too much instability. The problem with some of these (like the Dolphins) is that PG seems to be considered as part of a "If we can get Manning then he would be a good fit". I would love to see PG with Brady and the Pats!! I H8 NYG with a passion and am still burning over the CommercialBowl.

[Raider 68]

P Garcon is listed as one ot the top 10 free agents at WR. Also, Cleveland Plain dealer
article that the Browns are also interested in him. A once Browns fan (pre 1999), Pierre can to better than the Browns, IMHO!

Pierre is getting alot of attention.
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1068190-2012-nfl-free-agents-why-pierre-garcon-is-perfect-fit-for-miami-dolphins

Ihave seen reports of interest from Pats, Texans, Dolphins, Chargers and of course the Colts and then the Browns. Word of advice for Pierre from a never-was....run from Clevetown! Too much instability. The problem with some of these (like the Dolphins) is that PG seems to be considered as part of a "If we can get Manning then he would be a good fit". I would love to see PG with Brady and the Pats!! I H8 NYG with a passion and am still burning over the CommercialBowl.

desertraider,

Agree, Pierre should avoid teams that hold little long term hope of success, i.e. Cleveland, Miami and some others. Brady to Garcon would be a good connection and, IMHO, the Pats need a few changes at WR!

[reality check]

This is old news but I missed it. 

Congrats to former Polar Bear Jamal Robertson on winning the CFL's Grey Cup this past season.  I went to see how his season ended and saw that the BC Lions ended up winning the championship.  Jamal has apparently retired effective in December after 4 seasons in the CFL and 5 years in the NFL.

When one of the guys that made it to the big time that I went to school and played with is retiring it starts to make me feel a little old myself.

[Desertraider]

Some more Pierre press:
http://indiana.sbnation.com/indianapolis-colts/2012/2/22/2816517/indianapolis-colts-free-agents-2012-peyton-manning-reggie-wayne-pierre-garcon

I hate when, as this author does, Pierre is made a product of manning. I know you need a QB to get the ball where it needs to be - but they seem to forget that PG is coming off his best year and manning didn't throw a single ball. Painter, Collins and Orlovsky are not exactly world beaters - but PG had his best year. That tells me the kid can play no matter who is throwing the ball. I won't even get into the fact that Manning is not the GOAT that ESPN claims he is. In my humble (ok not so humble) opinion the GOAT at QB should at least be required to have a winning playoff record. Granted a ring or 2, or 3 maybe 4 would be good GOAT resume builders as well.

[Raider 68]

Some more Pierre press:
http://indiana.sbnation.com/indianapolis-colts/2012/2/22/2816517/indianapolis-colts-free-agents-2012-peyton-manning-reggie-wayne-pierre-garcon

I hate when, as this author does, Pierre is made a product of manning. I know you need a QB to get the ball where it needs to be - but they seem to forget that PG is coming off his best year and manning didn't throw a single ball. Painter, Collins and Orlovsky are not exactly world beaters - but PG had his best year. That tells me the kid can play no matter who is throwing the ball. I won't even get into the fact that Manning is not the GOAT that ESPN claims he is. In my humble (ok not so humble) opinion the GOAT at QB should at least be required to have a winning playoff record. Granted a ring or 2, or 3 maybe 4 would be good GOAT resume builders as well.

desertraider,

Thanks for the link, and I agree that Pierre had a great year without Peyton. He will do well
wherever he lands!

[Raider 68]

With all the press on Peyton's decision to stay or go in Indy, my guess is that P. Garcon will likely not be there, so we see. It could depend on how much the Colts want him to stay!

[formerd3db]

With all the press on Peyton's decision to stay or go in Indy, my guess is that P. Garcon will likely not be there, so we see. It could depend on how much the Colts want him to stay!

Raider68:

I guess I'm not sure I understand and perhaps I've missed some of the conversation/discussion and/or media articles about this and, thus, my apologies if so for this inquiry.  As you mention your quess is that Garcon will not remain in Indy, I am confused as to why that would have anything to do with Manning's own personal decision to stay there, unless Garcon himself just decides he wants to move on an play for another team? Just curious. Personally, I think Manning is "playing with fire" in regards to his health in regards to if he decides to continue on, which he appears to be planning to do.  I have stronger feelings about that (i.e. whether he should or not with regards to his cervical problem), however, I will refrain from stating those here since it is obviously any player's own perogative as to what they want decide to do in regards to their playing careers in such situations - assuming of course, their teams agree to have them continue and they are cleared by their physicians/specialists.

desertraider:  Good post.

[NCF]

With all the press on Peyton's decision to stay or go in Indy, my guess is that P. Garcon will likely not be there, so we see. It could depend on how much the Colts want him to stay!

Raider68:

I guess I'm not sure I understand and perhaps I've missed some of the conversation/discussion and/or media articles about this and, thus, my apologies if so for this inquiry.  As you mention your quess is that Garcon will not remain in Indy, I am confused as to why that would have anything to do with Manning's own personal decision to stay there, unless Garcon himself just decides he wants to move on an play for another team? Just curious. Personally, I think Manning is "playing with fire" in regards to his health in regards to if he decides to continue on, which he appears to be planning to do.  I have stronger feelings about that (i.e. whether he should or not with regards to his cervical problem), however, I will refrain from stating those here since it is obviously any player's own perogative as to what they want decide to do in regards to their playing careers in such situations - assuming of course, their teams agree to have them continue and they are cleared by their physicians/specialists.

desertraider:  Good post.

It is a player's decision to continue to play, however, I am having trouble with the Dave Duerson family suing the NFL for Duerson commiting suicide. I will wait to see how this all plays out in court and what the NFL will do after the case is over and a ruling is handed down.

[formerd3db]

newcardfan:

I agree with you re: the Duerson lawsuit.  That's a crock - I hope the judge/court dismisses it before any time and $ is wasted on a such ridiculous absurdity.  There is no level that people like that will stoop to in today's society in order to get $ - how sad.

[NCF]

newcardfan:

I agree with you re: the Duerson lawsuit.  That's a crock - I hope the judge/court dismisses it before any time and $ is wasted on a such ridiculous absurdity.  There is no level that people like that will stoop to in today's society in order to get $ - how sad.

It is very sad, but from what some of the news reports here in Chicago say-Duerson had some failed business and the family is trying for a money grab. It puts a damper on the nice NFL career Duerson  had. I hope some of the new rules concerning concussions  help in the future.

[Raider 68]

With all the press on Peyton's decision to stay or go in Indy, my guess is that P. Garcon will likely not be there, so we see. It could depend on how much the Colts want him to stay!

Raider68:

I guess I'm not sure I understand and perhaps I've missed some of the conversation/discussion and/or media articles about this and, thus, my apologies if so for this inquiry.  As you mention your quess is that Garcon will not remain in Indy, I am confused as to why that would have anything to do with Manning's own personal decision to stay there, unless Garcon himself just decides he wants to move on an play for another team? Just curious. Personally, I think Manning is "playing with fire" in regards to his health in regards to if he decides to continue on, which he appears to be planning to do.  I have stronger feelings about that (i.e. whether he should or not with regards to his cervical problem), however, I will refrain from stating those here since it is obviously any player's own perogative as to what they want decide to do in regards to their playing careers in such situations - assuming of course, their teams agree to have them continue and they are cleared by their physicians/specialists.

desertraider:  Good post.

formerd3db,

I have been reading alot of the Indianapolis Star and related blogs, so my comments were based upon several scenarios. Regarding P. Garcon, there are several teams interested in him, and some with greater playoff potential than the Colts. I do not believe P. Manning will be a Colt after March, whether he plays or not. Even with a top QB pick, Luck or RG3, the Colts return to success could take awhile. While R. Wayne would like to go where Peyton goes (if Peyton plays), P. Garcon will select the best option, which at this time may not be the Colts, IMHO We'll see how it all plays out!

[HScoach]

Bye Lenny.  It won't be the same without you.  Good luck on the step up.

[formerd3db]

newcardfan:
Yes, that is sad that it puts a damper on Duerson's fine NFL career.  Unless his family can prove that the Bears coaching staff, administration, medical and athletic training staffs (and the NFL if that's even plausible - actually it is not ) absolutely, unequivically  forced him to play with whatever they are alleging (concussion, brain injury), their allegations are baseless.  I do not believe for one minute that happened and like many other people I, too, have a problem with these lawsuits because everyone, yes eveyone who has ever played the game knows the risk of this - anyone who says that is not true is absolutely being self deceptive - better said, simply not being honest.  I also don't care that someone thought he was going to lose their job if they didn't play with a concussion.  Even if that were true and while I obviously don't know for sure that anyone was told they had to or given the impression they would be waived if cut, or not play they didn't, those players who did so did a stupid, stupid thing in risking their later health if they knew they had a post concussion symptoms and still went ahead and played.  If they did, they are sure paying for it now.  But again, the other fact is that the inherent risk of brain injury in the long term is present simply from playing a collision game as football whether one actually had a concusion or not and...it is impossible to predict how, when and to what extent if any that will ever show up in any one person.  Anyway, again, it is sad that Duerson's family is taking the low road.  I'll change my opinion if they prove otherwise, however, I won't hold my breath for that and, at least at this time, I believe the chances of that happening to be the same as those for a snow ball in you know where.

Raider68:
Indeed, without question Garcon wants and should do what he thinks is best for his career with regard to trying to improve his chances for going to a team that has a better chance than Indianapolis now has for getting back to the "big game".  At the same time, he already has played in the Super Bowl and while that is one of the goals for any of those guys in the NFL for the "repeats", putting that legit aspect aside, on the other hand, we've all seen where some guys make a mistake of thinking the grass is greener somewhere else as far as "the $ thing".  I've seen where some guys have done that and it has backfired and come back to bite them in many ways. Garcon is going to play no matter where he goes I believe but also if he stayed, with Luck coming on, I think Garcon would continue to be their top receivers and have a very good end to his career over the future years.  Obviously, he will probably do that anyway even in moving on to some other team.  But...I'm just saying...there certainly are alot of considerations, but also, obviously Garcon knows all that.  It will be interesting to see what he decides and if he ends up leaving, which team he ends up with.

[theaprof]

Bye Lenny.  It won't be the same without you.  Good luck on the step up.

WHAT???

[theaprof]

On a lighter note--I was trying to figure out what raider68 was saying about Manning's cervix, so I decided to look up cervical--learned something new today--it can have something to do with someone's neck.  Not necessarily the body part that first came to my mind!