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[HScoach]

^  They'll keep as many of them that continues to come to practice and pays their tuition.  There are no cuts.  However, a good percentage of them will find out real quick that college football is much different than HS ball and quit.

As it is at most private D3 schools, the sports programs are a big recruiting tool to get students, and most importantly, the student's money. 

[Dr. Acula]

There was just a similar discussion on the CCIW board about roster limits and someone made that exact point.  The CCIW will never have roster limits because of it limiting tuition dollars coming in.  I doubt any private school conference would ever have them.  The percentage of kids at the schools participating in sports is huge.  Take us as an example.  Here's a quick roster count of the men's teams aside from football:

Track - 65
Baseball - 55
Soccer - 53
Wrestling - 35
Basketball - 24
Swimming - 16
Golf - 14
Tennis - 8

So if there are roughly 1150 male students 35-40% of them play sports (depending on how many stick w/ football each yr).  And this fall they add lacrosse so it's going to grow again.  No roster limits, no cuts, new majors, new facilities, new dorms...everything is geared towards getting that tuition as hscoach said. 

[02 Warhawk]

There was just a similar discussion on the CCIW board about roster limits and someone made that exact point.  The CCIW will never have roster limits because of it limiting tuition dollars coming in.  I doubt any private school conference would ever have them.  The percentage of kids at the schools participating in sports is huge.  Take us as an example.  Here's a quick roster count of the men's teams aside from football:

So the thought process for private schools is, if there is a roster limit and a player gets cut...then he (or she) will transfer out? Because isn't the student already enrolled when trying out for a sport? The school already pocketed the tuition $$$ at that point.

Or are you saying that a student athlete won't even bother enrolling at the school in the first place, BECAUSE the roster limit will scare them off?

Learning something new every day 

[HScoach]

^  I'd say both situations would occur with roster limits.   

Many of the freshmen that come to Mount are NOT actively recruited by Mount, they are coming anyway in an attempt to make it.  Most of those kids wouldn't ever come with a roster limit in place.  A good number each year come to play for Kehres, figuring they won't ever see the field, simply because they want to be HS coaches and there isn't anyone in Ohio better to play for than LK if you want be a HS coach.

And then those that don't make the roster, I'd believe that most would be hard pressed to come back again next year and give it another try.  I'd bet many of them would leave after the fall semester in an attempt to find a more suitable football home for next season.  I understand some kids are really driven and would do whatever it takes to make the roster, whatever year that might occur, but a very high percentage would try once and then move on somewhere else or just quit all together.

The lure of playing college sports is a HUGE recruiting tool for the private colleges.  My daughter just reported to soccer camp last weekend and the girls program at the college played a key role in her college choice.  Wasn't #1 on the list, but it was in the top 5.

[02 Warhawk]

^  I'd say both situations would occur with roster limits.   

Many of the freshmen that come to Mount are NOT actively recruited by Mount, they are coming anyway in an attempt to make it.  Most of those kids wouldn't ever come with a roster limit in place.  A good number each year come to play for Kehres, figuring they won't ever see the field, simply because they want to be HS coaches and there isn't anyone in Ohio better to play for than LK if you want be a HS coach.

And then those that don't make the roster, I'd believe that most would be hard pressed to come back again next year and give it another try.  I'd bet many of them would leave after the fall semester in an attempt to find a more suitable football home for next season.  I understand some kids are really driven and would do whatever it takes to make the roster, whatever year that might occur, but a very high percentage would try once and then move on somewhere else or just quit all together.

The lure of playing college sports is a HUGE recruiting tool for the private colleges.  My daughter just reported to soccer camp last weekend and the girls program at the college played a key role in her college choice.  Wasn't #1 on the list, but it was in the top 5.

Interesting, I would think that if they didn't make the roster their freshman year they would focus more on their education (and less on athletics). But I suppose some of these high school athletes have big egos, and figure they can make the team at another DIII institution. So they transfer out.

Thanks for insight.

[joelmama]

^  I'd say both situations would occur with roster limits.   

Many of the freshmen that come to Mount are NOT actively recruited by Mount, they are coming anyway in an attempt to make it.  Most of those kids wouldn't ever come with a roster limit in place.  A good number each year come to play for Kehres, figuring they won't ever see the field, simply because they want to be HS coaches and there isn't anyone in Ohio better to play for than LK if you want be a HS coach.

And then those that don't make the roster, I'd believe that most would be hard pressed to come back again next year and give it another try.  I'd bet many of them would leave after the fall semester in an attempt to find a more suitable football home for next season.  I understand some kids are really driven and would do whatever it takes to make the roster, whatever year that might occur, but a very high percentage would try once and then move on somewhere else or just quit all together.

The lure of playing college sports is a HUGE recruiting tool for the private colleges.  My daughter just reported to soccer camp last weekend and the girls program at the college played a key role in her college choice.  Wasn't #1 on the list, but it was in the top 5.

Interesting, I would think that if they didn't make the roster their freshman year they would focus more on their education (and less on athletics). But I suppose some of these high school athletes have big egos, and figure they can make the team at another DIII institution. So they transfer out.

Thanks for insight.

If they get a full year shot at football and get some PT in the many JV fgames (basically two teams) they will have football out of their system.  IF they have cuts that means they get two-three weeks of camp and then cut before a game is played.  THey probably would go elsewhere to give it a shot.

[NCF]

^  I'd say both situations would occur with roster limits.   

Many of the freshmen that come to Mount are NOT actively recruited by Mount, they are coming anyway in an attempt to make it.  Most of those kids wouldn't ever come with a roster limit in place.  A good number each year come to play for Kehres, figuring they won't ever see the field, simply because they want to be HS coaches and there isn't anyone in Ohio better to play for than LK if you want be a HS coach.

And then those that don't make the roster, I'd believe that most would be hard pressed to come back again next year and give it another try.  I'd bet many of them would leave after the fall semester in an attempt to find a more suitable football home for next season.  I understand some kids are really driven and would do whatever it takes to make the roster, whatever year that might occur, but a very high percentage would try once and then move on somewhere else or just quit all together.

The lure of playing college sports is a HUGE recruiting tool for the private colleges.  My daughter just reported to soccer camp last weekend and the girls program at the college played a key role in her college choice.  Wasn't #1 on the list, but it was in the top 5.

Interesting, I would think that if they didn't make the roster their freshman year they would focus more on their education (and less on athletics). But I suppose some of these high school athletes have big egos, and figure they can make the team at another DIII institution. So they transfer out.

Thanks for insight.

If they get a full year shot at football and get some PT in the many JV fgames (basically two teams) they will have football out of their system.  IF they have cuts that means they get two-three weeks of camp and then cut before a game is played.  THey probably would go elsewhere to give it a shot.

The lure of PLAYING college sports is HUGE. Kids who played in high school and still want to play will become discontent with or without roster limit,if they don't get the chance to see the field. Those guys leave after one of two seasons. Good luck to your daughter.

[Raider 68]

^  I'd say both situations would occur with roster limits.   

Many of the freshmen that come to Mount are NOT actively recruited by Mount, they are coming anyway in an attempt to make it.  Most of those kids wouldn't ever come with a roster limit in place.  A good number each year come to play for Kehres, figuring they won't ever see the field, simply because they want to be HS coaches and there isn't anyone in Ohio better to play for than LK if you want be a HS coach.

And then those that don't make the roster, I'd believe that most would be hard pressed to come back again next year and give it another try.  I'd bet many of them would leave after the fall semester in an attempt to find a more suitable football home for next season.  I understand some kids are really driven and would do whatever it takes to make the roster, whatever year that might occur, but a very high percentage would try once and then move on somewhere else or just quit all together.

The lure of playing college sports is a HUGE recruiting tool for the private colleges.  My daughter just reported to soccer camp last weekend and the girls program at the college played a key role in her college choice.  Wasn't #1 on the list, but it was in the top 5.

HSCoach,

Wish her all the best?

[skunks_sidekick]

^  I'd say both situations would occur with roster limits.   

Many of the freshmen that come to Mount are NOT actively recruited by Mount, they are coming anyway in an attempt to make it.  Most of those kids wouldn't ever come with a roster limit in place.  A good number each year come to play for Kehres, figuring they won't ever see the field, simply because they want to be HS coaches and there isn't anyone in Ohio better to play for than LK if you want be a HS coach.

And then those that don't make the roster, I'd believe that most would be hard pressed to come back again next year and give it another try.  I'd bet many of them would leave after the fall semester in an attempt to find a more suitable football home for next season.  I understand some kids are really driven and would do whatever it takes to make the roster, whatever year that might occur, but a very high percentage would try once and then move on somewhere else or just quit all together.

The lure of playing college sports is a HUGE recruiting tool for the private colleges.  My daughter just reported to soccer camp last weekend and the girls program at the college played a key role in her college choice.  Wasn't #1 on the list, but it was in the top 5.

Hopefully she has something more than your scintillating "lineman speed".   

Got to see what might be the #1 Ohio high school QB tonight at Jr.'s scrimmage.  Trubisky kid going to UNC.  He made it look like it was the easiest thing to do.  Jr. didn't suck......it was good.   

[PurpleSuit]

Skunks,
Got any inside info about when the Mount scrimmages are going to be? I think they are going to W&J this year

[Ereraider]

Heard that it would be next Friday starting at 10am

[pradierguy]

My dorm freshman year at Mount was packed with football players. I distinctly remember kids packing up for what I thought was winter break and they didn't come back for Spring semester after having a rough FB season where they didn't see much action. There was even this one kid who came to play FB and went home for Winter break and didn't come back after but never came back to get his stuff. His roommate had a room to himself for the Spring but had to deal with this other kid's stuff just being there. Always struck me as bizarre. Who would do that?

[Dr. Acula]

Listened to LK's interview w/ Sam Bourquin from the other day.  Pretty much what you'd expect.  Just the usual preseason stuff mostly.  He did mention that there were a lot of freshmen who could start next year so he seems to be relatively pleased with the class.  Beyond that it was just the standard stuff....praised Franklin and their coach, complimented the OAC as a whole, talked about the senior class very positively for their leadership and hunger to win a title. 

[Upstate]

Greetings Mt. Union guys, is there anything you can tell me about Zach Hildebrand? Looks like he transferred from Mt. Union to Fisher.

[PurpleSuit]

Greetings Mt. Union guys, is there anything you can tell me about Zach Hildebrand? Looks like he transferred from Mt. Union to Fisher.

Is he a local transfer to fisher?  If not, i wouldn't get too excited about a kid who quit mount