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[ExTartanPlayer]

I really don't understand why Etta STILL has their starters in. It's 77-14!  When the hell do you get kids playing time if not now?!

Because Etta always fights! No, that's Wabash. I have no clue either. I listened to the game on WRMU (on my phone) and was wondering why the starters were still in during the 3rd. By the time it was 70-14 I was waiting for the bus driver to be at QB. Oh well. Any positives that are pointed out for the Raiders have to be followed with the statement "...but it was against Marietta." so I won't bother. Concerns...Woods still didnt get 100 yds and seemed to be contained (as much as one can be in an 84-14 game. Penalties - way too many especially at the end. DBs - I don't consider Etta a passing power and they tossed it for 200+ (don't remember exactly). I do understand much came with 2nds in. Other than that - it was pinball game.

As for Heidi - nice win..."but it was against Wilmington". Concerns.....YA GAVE UP 409 PASSING YARDS!! I know it was a blowout but...460 total yards to Wilma?

Yes Berg win was against Wilmington. However, Berg 3rd teamers were in to start the 2nd half against Wilmington starters, so any interpretation of results are really silly.

+K. Can never take team stats from blowouts seriously without the proper context. Giving up 400 yards in a game where you scored 66 points and won by 50 - kinda like worrying about the number of singles your garbage-time relief pitcher gave up in a game you won 16-3.

[ExTartanPlayer]

Re: the question of why Marietta would still have their starters in down 77-14, I'll say this (although I have only been on the business end of a monkey stomping once, in the 2006 playoffs vs Wesley).

It's a slam dunk decision for the leader to remove their starters ahead by 50 in the second half. For the losing team, I can see an argument for keepin the starters in because a) they need the work, b) obviously they've been thoroughly handled thus far, so you're hoping they'll have some element of success against the Mount backups, giving yourself something positive to build on in films this week, and c) you're worried that by putting your own backups in, things will get even more out of hand. You Mount guys are spoiled by the number if good players on your team - in some places the drop off from the first team to the second is a huuuuuge gulf.  For the record, I think getting kids game time when possible is important (the single biggest reason kids quit D3 football teams is that they're not playing) but if putting the second string in at the end turns a 70-14 game into a 98-14 game, has anyone really "won" in that scenario other than the Mount backups who got a couple extra TDs?  Did you guys see the abuse the Widener coach took last year after winning 90-0 when the last two scores were defensive touchdowns by his third-string guys against sloppy backups?

[HScoach]

I really don't understand why Etta STILL has their starters in. It's 77-14!  When the hell do you get kids playing time if not now?!

Because Etta always fights! No, that's Wabash. I have no clue either. I listened to the game on WRMU (on my phone) and was wondering why the starters were still in during the 3rd. By the time it was 70-14 I was waiting for the bus driver to be at QB. Oh well. Any positives that are pointed out for the Raiders have to be followed with the statement "...but it was against Marietta." so I won't bother. Concerns...Woods still didnt get 100 yds and seemed to be contained (as much as one can be in an 84-14 game. Penalties - way too many especially at the end. DBs - I don't consider Etta a passing power and they tossed it for 200+ (don't remember exactly). I do understand much came with 2nds in. Other than that - it was pinball game.

As for Heidi - nice win..."but it was against Wilmington". Concerns.....YA GAVE UP 409 PASSING YARDS!! I know it was a blowout but...460 total yards to Wilma?

Yes Berg win was against Wilmington. However, Berg 3rd teamers were in to start the 2nd half against Wilmington starters, so any interpretation of results are really silly.

Only reasonable interpretation of that is that Mount's 3rd string is better than Heidi's 3rd string. 

[Dr. Acula]

Re: the question of why Marietta would still have their starters in down 77-14, I'll say this (although I have only been on the business end of a monkey stomping once, in the 2006 playoffs vs Wesley).

It's a slam dunk decision for the leader to remove their starters ahead by 50 in the second half. For the losing team, I can see an argument for keepin the starters in because a) they need the work, b) obviously they've been thoroughly handled thus far, so you're hoping they'll have some element of success against the Mount backups, giving yourself something positive to build on in films this week, and c) you're worried that by putting your own backups in, things will get even more out of hand. You Mount guys are spoiled by the number if good players on your team - in some places the drop off from the first team to the second is a huuuuuge gulf.  For the record, I think getting kids game time when possible is important (the single biggest reason kids quit D3 football teams is that they're not playing) but if putting the second string in at the end turns a 70-14 game into a 98-14 game, has anyone really "won" in that scenario other than the Mount backups who got a couple extra TDs?  Did you guys see the abuse the Widener coach took last year after winning 90-0 when the last two scores were defensive touchdowns by his third-string guys against sloppy backups?

I view it as a "cut your losses" move.  I agree with the bolded. Especially a bottom tier team like Etta. Let's say Etta has half a dozen kids that make them go. Kids that the drop off is so great that playing their back up at these positions severely hinders any chance of winning. Why would you risk injury to those crucial guys when they're already physically and mentally exhausted?  I don't know what their back up QB looks like, but imagine if Fulton got sacked and hurt trying to score in a 77-14 game?

And as for the score getting even more lopsided....we don't know about VK, but LK would have bent over backwards NOT to score on the back ups.  FG attempts on 1st and goal, guys who were going to jog in untouched on a long TD run stepping out of bounds at the 1 on purpose...we've seen some creative ways to avoid it. 

[Knightstalker]

Re: the question of why Marietta would still have their starters in down 77-14, I'll say this (although I have only been on the business end of a monkey stomping once, in the 2006 playoffs vs Wesley).

It's a slam dunk decision for the leader to remove their starters ahead by 50 in the second half. For the losing team, I can see an argument for keepin the starters in because a) they need the work, b) obviously they've been thoroughly handled thus far, so you're hoping they'll have some element of success against the Mount backups, giving yourself something positive to build on in films this week, and c) you're worried that by putting your own backups in, things will get even more out of hand. You Mount guys are spoiled by the number if good players on your team - in some places the drop off from the first team to the second is a huuuuuge gulf.  For the record, I think getting kids game time when possible is important (the single biggest reason kids quit D3 football teams is that they're not playing) but if putting the second string in at the end turns a 70-14 game into a 98-14 game, has anyone really "won" in that scenario other than the Mount backups who got a couple extra TDs?  Did you guys see the abuse the Widener coach took last year after winning 90-0 when the last two scores were defensive touchdowns by his third-string guys against sloppy backups?

I view it as a "cut your losses" move.  I agree with the bolded. Especially a bottom tier team like Etta. Let's say Etta has half a dozen kids that make them go. Kids that the drop off is so great that playing their back up at these positions severely hinders any chance of winning. Why would you risk injury to those crucial guys when they're already physically and mentally exhausted?  I don't know what their back up QB looks like, but imagine if Fulton got sacked and hurt trying to score in a 77-14 game?

And as for the score getting even more lopsided....we don't know about VK, but LK would have bent over backwards NOT to score on the back ups.  FG attempts on 1st and goal, guys who were going to jog in untouched on a long TD run stepping out of bounds at the 1 on purpose...we've seen some creative ways to avoid it.

I also agree with the bolded part about the drop off.  Way back in the dark ages when NJCU had a football team, there were several kids on the team that could have started for any team in the NJAC even Rowan back in the late 90's early 00's.  The drop off from them to the second string was severe.  The team was better off leaving the starters in to get worn out than to put in the backups who would have gotten slaughtered.

[mr_mom]

The OAC Pick-Em results for Week 4 are posted.

Chess4Me came within a Homecoming upset at Buffalo State of having a perfect week.  FCGrizzliesGrad is now in the lead alone.

Week 5's spreads will be posted Monday evening.

[desertcat1]

Congrats boys ,   MT.U  gets my #1 vote in the fan Poll this week  .. I was impressed with  what I saw last night .. 

Thanks again  for the tickets coach ..  Great set up for football and great bunch of fan... Hope we can meet down the road someday soon... 
dc1

[Gig Harbor Cat]

No notepads Dens,  We Watched for a bit then went to a wings joint that Raiderguy gave us the lead on.  Dont get me wrong, the Raiders are Legit, but the team they pounded lost by a bunch to the team that we took down 45-0 earlier in the day.  If we do meet down the road it will be a dandy !!
  Again thanks for being a great host Raiderguy !!

Peace Out
Gig Harbor Cat

[mr_mom]

72 individuals got in the game for MUC yesterday ... I wonder if that is a record!   

[desertcat1]

72 individuals got in the game for MUC yesterday ... I wonder if that is a record!   

if it's not they can break that record when they play the other cupcake(W) in the league ..

[motorman]

I really don't understand why Etta STILL has their starters in. It's 77-14!  When the hell do you get kids playing time if not now?!

Because Etta always fights! No, that's Wabash. I have no clue either. I listened to the game on WRMU (on my phone) and was wondering why the starters were still in during the 3rd. By the time it was 70-14 I was waiting for the bus driver to be at QB. Oh well. Any positives that are pointed out for the Raiders have to be followed with the statement "...but it was against Marietta." so I won't bother. Concerns...Woods still didnt get 100 yds and seemed to be contained (as much as one can be in an 84-14 game. Penalties - way too many especially at the end. DBs - I don't consider Etta a passing power and they tossed it for 200+ (don't remember exactly). I do understand much came with 2nds in. Other than that - it was pinball game.

As for Heidi - nice win..."but it was against Wilmington". Concerns.....YA GAVE UP 409 PASSING YARDS!! I know it was a blowout but...460 total yards to Wilma?

Yes Berg win was against Wilmington. However, Berg 3rd teamers were in to start the 2nd half against Wilmington starters, so any interpretation of results are really silly.

Only reasonable interpretation of that is that Mount's 3rd string is better than Heidi's 3rd string.

Okay, want to get ridiculous? How about this - UMoo gave up 14 to the team that went winless last season. Berg only gave up 12 to the team that beat Marietta for their only win last year. Guess that says Berg defense is better than UMoo.

[voice]

72 individuals got in the game for MUC yesterday ... I wonder if that is a record!   

Mom...

That's an interesting question. I have a feeling 72 is not a record.  For what its worth... UW-Whitewater had 83 participate in yesterday's 65-0 throttling of Waldorf (IA). The one good thing about blowouts is it allows playing time for those deep down the roster.

[mr_mom]

72 individuals got in the game for MUC yesterday ... I wonder if that is a record!   

Mom...

That's an interesting question. I have a feeling 72 is not a record.  For what its worth... UW-Whitewater had 83 participate in yesterday's 65-0 throttling of Waldorf (IA). The one good thing about blowouts is it allows playing time for those deep down the roster.

Nice.  A hard stat to tie down.  You saved me years of analysis for what happened just next door.  Thanks!  +1

[HScoach]

I really don't understand why Etta STILL has their starters in. It's 77-14!  When the hell do you get kids playing time if not now?!

Because Etta always fights! No, that's Wabash. I have no clue either. I listened to the game on WRMU (on my phone) and was wondering why the starters were still in during the 3rd. By the time it was 70-14 I was waiting for the bus driver to be at QB. Oh well. Any positives that are pointed out for the Raiders have to be followed with the statement "...but it was against Marietta." so I won't bother. Concerns...Woods still didnt get 100 yds and seemed to be contained (as much as one can be in an 84-14 game. Penalties - way too many especially at the end. DBs - I don't consider Etta a passing power and they tossed it for 200+ (don't remember exactly). I do understand much came with 2nds in. Other than that - it was pinball game.

As for Heidi - nice win..."but it was against Wilmington". Concerns.....YA GAVE UP 409 PASSING YARDS!! I know it was a blowout but...460 total yards to Wilma?

Yes Berg win was against Wilmington. However, Berg 3rd teamers were in to start the 2nd half against Wilmington starters, so any interpretation of results are really silly.

Only reasonable interpretation of that is that Mount's 3rd string is better than Heidi's 3rd string.

Okay, want to get ridiculous? How about this - UMoo gave up 14 to the team that went winless last season. Berg only gave up 12 to the team that beat Marietta for their only win last year. Guess that says Berg defense is better than UMoo.

Wouldn't surprise me in the least at this point of the season.   Mount is a long way from where they need to be.   Getting better, but not there yet.   Luckily they have couple more tune ups before it really matters.

[Dr. Acula]

They have a month before they start the gauntlet.  The D will be ready.