FB: Ohio Athletic Conference

[footballfan413]

When newbies join the boards, or when particularly stubborn people resurface, you have to go over it again. Unless you just shrug and leave them to their delusions. It's really hard to change most people's minds with logic when they truly BELIEVE something.

I went to all that trouble to, respectfully, keep your name out of my previous post and like magic, you appear! LOL + karma.  Just shrugging it off would be easier but not nearly as much fun though, especially in the dead of winter/off season.    

[ExTartanPlayer]

When newbies join the boards, or when particularly stubborn people resurface, you have to go over it again. Unless you just shrug and leave them to their delusions. It's really hard to change most people's minds with logic when they truly BELIEVE something.

But it's so much fun to read the dramatic statements like "Mount is at a disadvantage like never before..." and imagine TailGate saying this, dropping the microphone and walking offstage, as though he's uncovered some new pearl of information that will change everyone's mind. 

[jknezek]

When newbies join the boards, or when particularly stubborn people resurface, you have to go over it again. Unless you just shrug and leave them to their delusions. It's really hard to change most people's minds with logic when they truly BELIEVE something.

Tailgate and PurpleSuit could benefit from some useful advice from their fellow Mount friends jknezek, Dr. Acula, HScoach...among others.

Not much of a Mount friend. As an ODAC guy there just isn't much on the national scene for me. Certainly I am an admirer of Mount's program, how could you not? But I'd love to see them taken down a few pegs just because, like most Americans, I prefer underdogs when my team isn't the favorite. To be fair, I feel the same way about UWW...

[jknezek]

When newbies join the boards, or when particularly stubborn people resurface, you have to go over it again. Unless you just shrug and leave them to their delusions. It's really hard to change most people's minds with logic when they truly BELIEVE something.

I went to all that trouble to, respectfully, keep your name out of my previous post and like magic, you appear! LOL + karma.  Just shrugging it off would be easier but not nearly as much fun though, especially in the dead of winter/off season.   

Sorry, too busy laughing at the people down here in Alabama trying to justify Nick Saban wanting college football to completely change its rules to benefit him. There is only so much football ridiculousness I can get involved in during the off season!

[02 Warhawk]

When newbies join the boards, or when particularly stubborn people resurface, you have to go over it again. Unless you just shrug and leave them to their delusions. It's really hard to change most people's minds with logic when they truly BELIEVE something.

Tailgate and PurpleSuit could benefit from some useful advice from their fellow Mount friends jknezek, Dr. Acula, HScoach...among others.

Not much of a Mount friend. As an ODAC guy there just isn't much on the national scene for me. Certainly I am an admirer of Mount's program, how could you not? But I'd love to see them taken down a few pegs just because, like most Americans, I prefer underdogs when my team isn't the favorite. To be fair, I feel the same way about UWW...

Fair enough

If I was sitting where you are, I would probably say the same about Mount and UWW.

[TailGate]

ExTartan,

Happy to provide some drama and entertainment for your winter doldrums.....   

That was just a start....  I can do better.   Just curious what you think about the big Catholic High Schools - Do they have an unfair advantage over the public high schools that they compete with?

[02 Warhawk]

ExTartan,

Happy to provide some drama and entertainment for your winter doldrums.....   

That was just a start....  I can do better.   Just curious what you think about the big Catholic High Schools - Do they have an unfair advantage over the public high schools that they compete with?

Public high schools have a finite region to enroll students from. Catholic schools don't have "regions", and can bring in kids from anywhere just about.

In the Chicagoland area, you have small division private schools beating large public schools because of this.

[wally_wabash]

ExTartan,

Happy to provide some drama and entertainment for your winter doldrums.....   

That was just a start....  I can do better.  Just curious what you think about the big Catholic High Schools - Do they have an unfair advantage over the public high schools that they compete with?

Relevance?  High schools and colleges are totally different systems. 

[ExTartanPlayer]

ExTartan,

Happy to provide some drama and entertainment for your winter doldrums.....   

That was just a start....  I can do better.   Just curious what you think about the big Catholic High Schools - Do they have an unfair advantage over the public high schools that they compete with?

+K to you for good humor since you've been prodded a bit.  We can all be a bit harsh on newbies here when a debate that's been hashed out a few times is stirred up.

The private/public school thing is a classic argument-starter.  There might be a legitimate question of whether private and public high schools are on a level playing field and should compete against one another for championships, and I'm fine with states that have separate state championships for Public/Private for the reason 02 Warhawk has just mentioned.  I don't think you're going this direction, but I certainly hope you're not suggesting that this has anything to do with a discussion of private vs. public colleges.  If you are, and you can't see why that's a dumb direction to take things, please go sit quietly and think about it until you figure it out.

A related argument that often comes up, which I do have particularly strong feelings about, is the question of athletic transfers in high school.  I do think that HS coaches recruiting other kids in their area is a bit low, but I think suspending HS kids for a season if they transfer (athletic intent or not) is ridiculous.  As long as a kid meets the residency requirements to attend school in the district, he should be able to play there.  So what if his parents decided to move there because they have a good football team?  Why is that such a bad thing?  If parents move their child to a school district with a unique computer program because their son is a computer whiz, he doesn't have to sit out a year of computer classes.  Parents should be allowed to do what they feel is in the best interest of their child; if they feel their child will benefit from playing on a good football team, that's fine with me.

[HScoach]

When newbies join the boards, or when particularly stubborn people resurface, you have to go over it again. Unless you just shrug and leave them to their delusions. It's really hard to change most people's minds with logic when they truly BELIEVE something.

Tailgate and PurpleSuit could benefit from some useful advice from their fellow Mount friends jknezek, Dr. Acula, HScoach...among others.

Now I'm completely offended.   I might not be able to do anything about my hilljack family, but I do a much better job of screening my friends! 

"Thud"  [sound of microphone hitting the floor]

[HScoach]

For years the "Mount advantage" was the combination of the following:
1.  an All-Time GREAT coach that wanted to stay in little ole Alliance for his entire career
2.  an athletic supportive administration
3.  located in NE Ohio where a ton of good high school programs produced a bunch of talented, but slightly undersized players
4.  only a small handful of D1-AA and D2 schools in Ohio to recruit against for above noted HS players

What makes the future uncertain is that #1 and #4 no longer exist.  2015 and 2016 will tell the tale of the Mount future.   2014 is still a very good roster lead by a stud QB.   But beyond that the new coaching staff has to prove they can still develop players, especially the QB, as well as recruit at a national level.   

[Raider 68]

I look at all the recent posts on why or why not Mount Union or UWW have advantages or disadvantages over other schools, and
think at least there is some off season conversation about it. It comes down to a player selecting a school that will  (1) provide
a good education and (2) does that school have the type of program that has a championship history.

If that player wants to play on a team that normally reaches the playoffs for a continued season, then he will select a Mount Union or UWW,assuming they want him. The Raiders and Warhawks will get more than their share of top athletes just by their history. To me, that is really the only advantage versus the other schools. While only the best of the best are able to make
an immediate impact with these schools, often other top players do not want to wait for their shot and go elsewhere, IMHO.

[TailGate]

ExTartan,

Happy to provide some drama and entertainment for your winter doldrums.....   

That was just a start....  I can do better.   Just curious what you think about the big Catholic High Schools - Do they have an unfair advantage over the public high schools that they compete with?

+K to you for good humor since you've been prodded a bit.  We can all be a bit harsh on newbies here when a debate that's been hashed out a few times is stirred up.

The private/public school thing is a classic argument-starter.  There might be a legitimate question of whether private and public high schools are on a level playing field and should compete against one another for championships, and I'm fine with states that have separate state championships for Public/Private for the reason 02 Warhawk has just mentioned.  I don't think you're going this direction, but I certainly hope you're not suggesting that this has anything to do with a discussion of private vs. public colleges.  If you are, and you can't see why that's a dumb direction to take things, please go sit quietly and think about it until you figure it out.

A related argument that often comes up, which I do have particularly strong feelings about, is the question of athletic transfers in high school.  I do think that HS coaches recruiting other kids in their area is a bit low, but I think suspending HS kids for a season if they transfer (athletic intent or not) is ridiculous.  As long as a kid meets the residency requirements to attend school in the district, he should be able to play there.  So what if his parents decided to move there because they have a good football team?  Why is that such a bad thing?  If parents move their child to a school district with a unique computer program because their son is a computer whiz, he doesn't have to sit out a year of computer classes.  Parents should be allowed to do what they feel is in the best interest of their child; if they feel their child will benefit from playing on a good football team, that's fine with me.

Big Catholics in Ohio dominate playoffs year after year, all across the state.  Seems that allowing transfers within publics would level the playing field somewhat, especially since the Catholics can *recruit* - they call it "scholarship" - I believe.  They don't ALWAYS win - but hard to stomach tournaments knowing the scales are invariably tipped in their favor.   Pretty sure OHSAA has held a vote to create separate leagues a few times over the years - but the vote always fails.  Wondering if anyone knows reasons for it failing.  Wonder if the creation of separate leagues would create unintended consequences?  Also wonder what the logic was/is for not allowing transfers? 

[TailGate]

For years the "Mount advantage" was the combination of the following:
1.  an All-Time GREAT coach that wanted to stay in little ole Alliance for his entire career
2.  an athletic supportive administration
3.  located in NE Ohio where a ton of good high school programs produced a bunch of talented, but slightly undersized players
4.  only a small handful of D1-AA and D2 schools in Ohio to recruit against for above noted HS players

What makes the future uncertain is that #1 and #4 no longer exist.  2015 and 2016 will tell the tale of the Mount future.   2014 is still a very good roster lead by a stud QB.   But beyond that the new coaching staff has to prove they can still develop players, especially the QB, as well as recruit at a national level.

What you say makes sense.  Sure hope VK will make his own mark - certainly got off to a great start this year.  But with Mount's reputation, why would they lose kids to Ohio D2's?  Prestige of playing on a less-than-exciting D2? or ?

[02 Warhawk]

For years the "Mount advantage" was the combination of the following:
1.  an All-Time GREAT coach that wanted to stay in little ole Alliance for his entire career
2.  an athletic supportive administration
3.  located in NE Ohio where a ton of good high school programs produced a bunch of talented, but slightly undersized players
4.  only a small handful of D1-AA and D2 schools in Ohio to recruit against for above noted HS players

What makes the future uncertain is that #1 and #4 no longer exist.  2015 and 2016 will tell the tale of the Mount future.   2014 is still a very good roster lead by a stud QB.   But beyond that the new coaching staff has to prove they can still develop players, especially the QB, as well as recruit at a national level.

#2 and #4 are the biggest reasons for UWW.

(#4 being the lack of DI and DII football programs in the state)

Plus I think it helps that UWW is the closest WIAC school to Milwaukee (1 hour) and Chicago (2 hours).