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Spurrier

OAC very similar in play and personnel to iiac....facilities in Dubuque are outstanding...they just opened a fifty yard Indoor practice facility that looks like the one at west Virginia only smaller. Surprised by the score at Ada on Saturday. No doubt mount is very good,but it sounds like the polar bears didn't put up the same kind of fight as when they played jcu.  Snap and clear...on to Capital.


Why the defense ain't werkin'?

ohiofan1954

Quote from: reality check on October 12, 2014, 06:10:34 PM
Quote from: ohiofan1954 on October 12, 2014, 10:02:06 AM
Quote from: reality check on October 11, 2014, 08:25:01 PM
Well, my squad made national headlines this morning.  This story is currently on the front page of Maxpreps.

http://www.maxpreps.com/news/J0vS6flA3kC2tXqrbHg7Qw/video--teams-combine-for-170-points,-1,600-yards-in-3-hour,-37-minute-bonanza.htm

The bad part is I was coaching (THE OFFENSE) on the wrong side of the final score.  The article is mostly one-sided (video only shows the other team moving the ball) but I had the privilege to coach the little guy that threw all over us last night when he was my quarterback last year at Higley.  Mason's a gamer regardless of his size.  He threw for 2000 yards and 20 TDs to 7 picks for me as a frosh.   I'm pretty sure that while all the attention is being given to our opponent (rightfully so because of the outcome), we broke the Arizona state record for total offense in a game.
Reminds me of a High School game I saw in 08 between Columbus Beechcroft and Columbus Centennial. Final score was 96-0. Should have been 102-0 but one score   was taken off board at request of Beechcroft coach.

There's a big difference between the game you just mentioned from OH and the game I coached in Friday night; the 75 points put up by the losing team (my side).  We actually outgained them and set new state records for total yards, total offense, and individual total offense as our QB threw for 565, ran for 169 and caught a pass for 16 (750 yards total offense).  According the NFHS record book, we put up the tenth highest total offense number in history and probably set a national record for total yards (which includes KR yardage) with 1,049 total yards.  We broke the AZ state record in that category by almost 200 yards.
Sorry I made it sound like they were the same type of games.  A big mistake on my part. The game I mentioned the losing team was not competitive at all as opposed to your game. Unfortunately during a 5 year period many of their games  while not this drastic in score were still like this with the games being shortened either by using 8 or 9 minute quarters , or continuing to run the clock. Your game must have been a fun game to watch for the fans. My game was not and the scoreboard was turned off as soon as the game ended.

SaintsFAN

Quote from: reality check on October 11, 2014, 08:25:01 PM
Well, my squad made national headlines this morning.  This story is currently on the front page of Maxpreps.

http://www.maxpreps.com/news/J0vS6flA3kC2tXqrbHg7Qw/video--teams-combine-for-170-points,-1,600-yards-in-3-hour,-37-minute-bonanza.htm

The bad part is I was coaching (THE OFFENSE) on the wrong side of the final score.  The article is mostly one-sided (video only shows the other team moving the ball) but I had the privilege to coach the little guy that threw all over us last night when he was my quarterback last year at Higley.  Mason's a gamer regardless of his size.  He threw for 2000 yards and 20 TDs to 7 picks for me as a frosh.   I'm pretty sure that while all the attention is being given to our opponent (rightfully so because of the outcome), we broke the Arizona state record for total offense in a game.

You should question the Defensive Staff to find out if they know what the hell they are doing and offer to take over the offense, as well, since despite mastering the offensive side of things you still lose like that.

But seriously... I can only imagine the defensive conversations in the headsets that night.
AMC Champs: 1991-1992-1993-1994-1995
HCAC Champs: 2000, 2001
PAC Champs:  2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2013, 2014, 2015, 2016
Bridge Bowl Champs:  1990-1991-1992-1993-1994-1995-2002-2003-2006-2008-2009-2010-2011-2012-2013 (SERIES OVER)
Undefeated: 1991, 1995, 2001, 2009, 2010, 2015
Instances where MSJ quit the Bridge Bowl:  2

SaintsFAN

Quote from: HScoach on October 11, 2014, 08:26:32 PM
My thoughts on the Mount scrimmage against ONU:

1.  Burke was not at his best, but still good enough for Mount to score at will.   Way too many weapons at WR and RB for ONU to slow down. 

2.  ONU's offensive game plan was HORRID.   Nothing but bubble screen/hitch routes.   Regardless of whether they worked (which they never did) or the situation on the field or down/distance. 

3.  ONU is average on defense.  Secondary was pretty good, but D-line was weak and LB's nothing special either.   No pass rush and very little resistance to the running game.   Only bright spot on D was that they held up better than expected in the secondary.   If you look at the box score against JCU, they gave up a bunch of yards but not sure how they kept Myers & Co from scoring 40+.   Weird.  Just as shocking is how ONU ever scored 50+ against Heidelberg.   I understand Heidi isn't any good on D, but the ONU offense we saw today would struggle to score on Marietta.

4.  ONU offense was terrible today.  Only 1 athlete (Devon Price) and they couldn't figure out how to get him the ball.   QB Angle was a good, big, strong athlete that avoided the rush and was hard to tackle but couldn't throw the ball.   Think Tebow in the NFL but with less accuracy or arm strength.  Yes, he was that bad today.

How many points did they hang on the Berg?
AMC Champs: 1991-1992-1993-1994-1995
HCAC Champs: 2000, 2001
PAC Champs:  2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2013, 2014, 2015, 2016
Bridge Bowl Champs:  1990-1991-1992-1993-1994-1995-2002-2003-2006-2008-2009-2010-2011-2012-2013 (SERIES OVER)
Undefeated: 1991, 1995, 2001, 2009, 2010, 2015
Instances where MSJ quit the Bridge Bowl:  2

SaintsFAN

Quote from: desertraider on October 12, 2014, 09:35:59 AM
ONU was a top team 5 or so years ago. Then it was Heidelberg - now it looks like maybe JCU. For whatever reason it is not sustained.

Because college football is cyclical -- except at Mount Union.
AMC Champs: 1991-1992-1993-1994-1995
HCAC Champs: 2000, 2001
PAC Champs:  2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2013, 2014, 2015, 2016
Bridge Bowl Champs:  1990-1991-1992-1993-1994-1995-2002-2003-2006-2008-2009-2010-2011-2012-2013 (SERIES OVER)
Undefeated: 1991, 1995, 2001, 2009, 2010, 2015
Instances where MSJ quit the Bridge Bowl:  2

Raider 68

The regular season is half over and what do we know about the Raiders in 2014 thus far, a few thoughts:

1. K. Burke leads the way, maybe another Gagliardi  winner again ( if a player can win it twice)

2. A more aggressive defense, more turnovers created and 4 points by game thus far.

3. Having a full time defensive coordinator

4. The best WR group in D3

5. Roman Namdar, maybe a potential player for Sunday games, if he stays healthy and at that position.

6. A more confident HC

7. Second half season questions, can the defense defend against better QB's and RB's?

8. Will the defense increase the turnovers in the next five games?

9. How much will K. Burke run in the next five games, now with an above average running game?

10. If the Raiders win the remaining five games, where we they be seated in the playoffs, and what are the chances
      for a return trip to Salem? :)
13 time Division III National Champions

reality check

Quote from: SaintsFAN on October 13, 2014, 12:48:18 PM
You should question the Defensive Staff to find out if they know what the hell they are doing and offer to take over the offense, as well, since despite mastering the offensive side of things you still lose like that.

But seriously... I can only imagine the defensive conversations in the headsets that night.

I've been questioning that all season.  We have been averaging 42 PPG and have scored 70+ in two games this season and we are not able to keep pace with the opposing offenses.  It's been ugly.  We run a 2-platoon system so you have offensive coaches and players frustrated with putting up pretty prolific numbers but having little to no impact on how ineffective the defense has played.  Very divisive locker room as a result.  OC is turning some of the playcalling and game planning to me in an effort to fix some of the defensive issues.  He has been a DC in the past and we see the issues but stubbornness and denial seem to be keeping us from getting it fixed. 
OAC Champs: 1942 (one title ties us with Ohio State)
OAC Runners-Up: 2017, 2016, 2015, 2010, 2009, 2005, 2004, 2001, 2000, 1999, 1982, 1941 (Stupid Mount Union!)
MOL Champs: 1952, 1950

Dr. Acula

Quote from: Raider 68 on October 13, 2014, 01:16:33 PM
9. How much will K. Burke run in the next five games, now with an above average running game?

I'm very happy with the running game at this point.  They haven't faced the best of defenses, but all three RB's are averaging 8.5+ ypc plus the freshman is over 9 ypc too.  You can't really do better than that.  They have quality depth at that position now that they didn't have even a couple years ago.

 

SaintsFAN



4. The best WR group in D3 does K Burke make them better or are they truly the best group?  Wesley makes this point arguable.

5. Roman Namdar, maybe a potential player for Sunday games, if he stays healthy and at that position.  don't they still play the JV games on Sundays?

7. Second half season questions, can the defense defend against better the JCU and Berg QB's and RB's?

10. If the Raiders win the remaining five games, where we they be seated in the playoffs, and what are the chances
      for a return trip to Salem? :)

I'll answer this #10  -- in my opinoin, there's ALOT of parity at the top of D3.  Whitewater, MHB, Mount Union, Linfield and Wesley (how I have them in my poll) are all equal threats to win the Walnut and Bronze in my opinoin, at this point.  At this point:  Wesley and Linfield have been tested with good competition in two or more of their games.  What this means, I don't know -- as Whitewater and Mount Union will be tested later in this season.  Is that the recipe, to play the better competition later in the year so your team is peaking in Week 12?  Or is the best practice to play bigger games early on to test your team and then spend the rest of the season fine-tuning against not as strong competition? 

I'm not sure... what I am sure of -- is that if these teams play against eachother again in the postseason -- they will be the same nip and tuck games we saw in the National Semis last season.   I don't think the rest of the country has quite caught up with these programs.  I do think each of these programs are being pushed to be better by one another.  Its exciting to see not just one great team (early 2000's and on with Mount Union) but now we are seeing 5-6 teams with a shot to be the Tournament Champ. 
AMC Champs: 1991-1992-1993-1994-1995
HCAC Champs: 2000, 2001
PAC Champs:  2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2013, 2014, 2015, 2016
Bridge Bowl Champs:  1990-1991-1992-1993-1994-1995-2002-2003-2006-2008-2009-2010-2011-2012-2013 (SERIES OVER)
Undefeated: 1991, 1995, 2001, 2009, 2010, 2015
Instances where MSJ quit the Bridge Bowl:  2

D3MAFAN

Quote from: SaintsFAN on October 13, 2014, 03:25:29 PM


4. The best WR group in D3 does K Burke make them better or are they truly the best group?  Wesley makes this point arguable.

5. Roman Namdar, maybe a potential player for Sunday games, if he stays healthy and at that position.  don't they still play the JV games on Sundays?

7. Second half season questions, can the defense defend against better the JCU and Berg QB's and RB's?

10. If the Raiders win the remaining five games, where we they be seated in the playoffs, and what are the chances
      for a return trip to Salem? :)

I'll answer this #10  -- in my opinoin, there's ALOT of parity at the top of D3.  Whitewater, MHB, Mount Union, Linfield and Wesley (how I have them in my poll) are all equal threats to win the Walnut and Bronze in my opinoin, at this point.  At this point:  Wesley and Linfield have been tested with good competition in two or more of their games.  What this means, I don't know -- as Whitewater and Mount Union will be tested later in this season.  Is that the recipe, to play the better competition later in the year so your team is peaking in Week 12?  Or is the best practice to play bigger games early on to test your team and then spend the rest of the season fine-tuning against not as strong competition? 

I'm not sure... what I am sure of -- is that if these teams play against eachother again in the postseason -- they will be the same nip and tuck games we saw in the National Semis last season.   I don't think the rest of the country has quite caught up with these programs.  I do think each of these programs are being pushed to be better by one another.  Its exciting to see not just one great team (early 2000's and on with Mount Union) but now we are seeing 5-6 teams with a shot to be the Tournament Champ.

#1 somewhere, I know that.

wesleydad

Quote from: Raider 68 on October 13, 2014, 01:16:33 PM
The regular season is half over and what do we know about the Raiders in 2014 thus far, a few thoughts:

4. The best WR group in D3

I have not seen Mount play yet this year, but I will put Wesley's WRs up against anyone else.  They run out 5 or 6 guys that can run and catch.   

boobyhasgameyo

Quote from: wesleydad on October 13, 2014, 08:47:53 PM
Quote from: Raider 68 on October 13, 2014, 01:16:33 PM
The regular season is half over and what do we know about the Raiders in 2014 thus far, a few thoughts:

4. The best WR group in D3

I have not seen Mount play yet this year, but I will put Wesley's WRs up against anyone else.  They run out 5 or 6 guys that can run and catch.   

To tack on Wesleydad - I'm not going to say that Fisher has a better core than Mount Union or Wesley.  Both of those schools have traditionally had speed at the position that Fisher has never been able to match.  But we've had first team all Americans before, and this group is the best collective group we've ever had.  Maybe not the speed, but I would say they probably have the best hands of any group of receivers in the country, excluding none.  Every single week without fail they are making athletic one handed grabs, catching difficult fades, etc.  One of the receivers is even a Mount Union transfer!  Shoot.  We'll take all of your backups that don't play if this is what they turn into haha. 

I hope you can make the Buff State in a couples weeks Wesleydad, you can see for yourself and compare.  Our QB is decent, not great, but those receivers sure make him look good. 

Wide receiver rant over.  I'm like a proud parent.  Even though I'm in my 20's. 

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Quote from: boobyhasgameyo on October 13, 2014, 09:12:33 PM
Quote from: wesleydad on October 13, 2014, 08:47:53 PM
Quote from: Raider 68 on October 13, 2014, 01:16:33 PM
The regular season is half over and what do we know about the Raiders in 2014 thus far, a few thoughts:

4. The best WR group in D3

I have not seen Mount play yet this year, but I will put Wesley's WRs up against anyone else.  They run out 5 or 6 guys that can run and catch.   

To tack on Wesleydad - I'm not going to say that Fisher has a better core than Mount Union or Wesley.  Both of those schools have traditionally had speed at the position that Fisher has never been able to match.  But we've had first team all Americans before, and this group is the best collective group we've ever had.  Maybe not the speed, but I would say they probably have the best hands of any group of receivers in the country, excluding none.  Every single week without fail they are making athletic one handed grabs, catching difficult fades, etc.  One of the receivers is even a Mount Union transfer!  Shoot.  We'll take all of your backups that don't play if this is what they turn into haha. 

I hope you can make the Buff State in a couples weeks Wesleydad, you can see for yourself and compare.  Our QB is decent, not great, but those receivers sure make him look good. 

Wide receiver rant over.  I'm like a proud parent.  Even though I'm in my 20's.

Glad to hear Collichio is doing well for SJF.  I would have expected nothing less from him.  Was sad to see him go, but completely understand the reasoning behind it.   He wasn't going to see the field much in 2014 with Namdar and Scott as full time WR's instead of back-up QB's.   The  Honorable Mention-All OAC guy that Collichio was sitting behind in '13 is now a back-up too.   The depth at WR is crazy right now. 

I would have likely done the same as he did with transferring.   Especially being an out-of-state guy.   Obvious choice in my mind.

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emma17

Quote from: Raider 68 on October 13, 2014, 01:16:33 PM
The regular season is half over and what do we know about the Raiders in 2014 thus far, a few thoughts:

1. K. Burke leads the way, maybe another Gagliardi  winner again ( if a player can win it twice)

2. A more aggressive defense, more turnovers created and 4 points by game thus far.

3. Having a full time defensive coordinator

4. The best WR group in D3

5. Roman Namdar, maybe a potential player for Sunday games, if he stays healthy and at that position.

6. A more confident HC

7. Second half season questions, can the defense defend against better QB's and RB's?

8. Will the defense increase the turnovers in the next five games?

9. How much will K. Burke run in the next five games, now with an above average running game?

10. If the Raiders win the remaining five games, where we they be seated in the playoffs, and what are the chances
      for a return trip to Salem? :)

Outside looking in- I'd say #'s 3 and 6 are your best bets for certainties.