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ExTartanPlayer

Quote from: desertraider on December 07, 2014, 12:28:58 PM
Quote from: rscl70 on December 07, 2014, 11:42:25 AM
Quote from: HScoach on December 07, 2014, 11:26:14 AM
I wouldn't call it conservative.    I'd call it struggling on offense because you're going against a really good defense.   

I was about to post the same thing.  Give credit where it's due.  JCU is a very good football team and any troubles Mount had on offense were largely created by JCU's defense.

+K on that. JCUs D was doing almost everything right. I agree that Mount was conservative - but for a reason. I still wish they would have burned more clock on a few later drives. Oh well, on to the semis.

Saw this and thought "wow, I have heard alot of reasons for losing - but this is new".
http://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/chip-kelly-gets-blamed-by-college-coach-for-wideners-playoff-loss/ar-BBgrtJj

Wonder who he would blame the 72-17 loss to Mount a couple years ago on?

I'm pretty sure the WU coach was joking with the Chip Kelly comments. I can't believe anyone is taking that seriously.
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Quote from: jknezek on December 06, 2014, 10:07:55 PM
Quote from: mr_mom on December 06, 2014, 09:53:47 PM
I may not get a chance to watch MUC on STO tonight, but the Buckeyes are doing their best Mount Union monkey-stomp impersonation.   :o

Still going to be the odd team out unless FSU collapses. So thankful for our AQ system

Or maybe not ...  ;D
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Quote from: ExTartanPlayer on December 07, 2014, 01:05:17 PM
Quote from: desertraider on December 07, 2014, 12:28:58 PM
Quote from: rscl70 on December 07, 2014, 11:42:25 AM
Quote from: HScoach on December 07, 2014, 11:26:14 AM
I wouldn't call it conservative.    I'd call it struggling on offense because you're going against a really good defense.   

I was about to post the same thing.  Give credit where it's due.  JCU is a very good football team and any troubles Mount had on offense were largely created by JCU's defense.

+K on that. JCUs D was doing almost everything right. I agree that Mount was conservative - but for a reason. I still wish they would have burned more clock on a few later drives. Oh well, on to the semis.

Saw this and thought "wow, I have heard alot of reasons for losing - but this is new".
http://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/chip-kelly-gets-blamed-by-college-coach-for-wideners-playoff-loss/ar-BBgrtJj

Wonder who he would blame the 72-17 loss to Mount a couple years ago on?

I'm pretty sure the WU coach was joking with the Chip Kelly comments. I can't believe anyone is taking that seriously.

You would think but that's not what it sounded like from the postgame accounts.
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Quote from: Pat Coleman on December 07, 2014, 01:16:05 PM
Quote from: ExTartanPlayer on December 07, 2014, 01:05:17 PM
I'm pretty sure the WU coach was joking with the Chip Kelly comments. I can't believe anyone is taking that seriously.

You would think but that's not what it sounded like from the postgame accounts.

This doesn't make sense -- so I guess he would have been mad at Lincoln Grade School also, if they had let Linfield practice there??  The team flew across the country on Thursday, so they needed to practice somewhere

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Quote from: HScoach on December 07, 2014, 11:26:14 AM
I wouldn't call it conservative.    I'd call it struggling on offense because you're going against a really good defense.   

I'm glad a few Mount guys have said this. For some Mount fans, it seems like "conservative playcalling" is the fallback excuse for "our plays are getting shut down."

As I said to my brother, a Mount grad who did not attend the game yesterday, when he asked me "Why is Mount letting [JCU] stay in the game?" It might surprise you to know that JCU plays defense too.

amonachino

For all the out of town Mount fans.  The game vs Wesly will be on espn 360 and espnu at noon.  The game UWW vs Linfield will be at 3:30PM on espn 360 and probably espnu. 

Craft_Beermeister

Quote from: USee on December 07, 2014, 10:14:52 AM
Quote from: Craft_Beermeister on December 07, 2014, 08:48:30 AM
If the better team didn't play so conservative against JCU I'm sure the last two wins would have been by larger margins. 


First of all, congratulations to Mt Union for yet another trip to the semis. The sustained excellence is both admirable and enviable. As for this statement, I have seen similar such statements ever since the first JCU/UMU meeting. It seems to suggest Mt Union took it easy on JCU in both contests, which would imply they let them win by just 1 possession both times.

Conservative can also mean they didn't take chances because JCU has the weapons to hurt you and take advantage of being over aggressive. Please explain.

JCU is a team with a lot of talent and a team that feeds off of a lot of positive emotion therefore playing them a bit conservatively isn't without logic and a strategy that was chosen.  It is in a way a sign of respect for JCU. 

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Quote from: Craft_Beermeister on December 07, 2014, 06:33:41 PM
Quote from: USee on December 07, 2014, 10:14:52 AM
Quote from: Craft_Beermeister on December 07, 2014, 08:48:30 AM
If the better team didn't play so conservative against JCU I'm sure the last two wins would have been by larger margins. 


First of all, congratulations to Mt Union for yet another trip to the semis. The sustained excellence is both admirable and enviable. As for this statement, I have seen similar such statements ever since the first JCU/UMU meeting. It seems to suggest Mt Union took it easy on JCU in both contests, which would imply they let them win by just 1 possession both times.

Conservative can also mean they didn't take chances because JCU has the weapons to hurt you and take advantage of being over aggressive. Please explain.

JCU is a team with a lot of talent and a team that feeds off of a lot of positive emotion therefore playing them a bit conservatively isn't without logic and a strategy that was chosen.  It is in a way a sign of respect for JCU.

That's not what you wrote but I think that's more appropriate

HScoach

Purpled:

My point, obviously poorly made,  was in reference to the OSU fans chanting "we want 'Bama" at the end of the game last night.
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Quote from: USee on December 07, 2014, 06:49:25 PM
Quote from: Craft_Beermeister on December 07, 2014, 06:33:41 PM
Quote from: USee on December 07, 2014, 10:14:52 AM
Quote from: Craft_Beermeister on December 07, 2014, 08:48:30 AM
If the better team didn't play so conservative against JCU I'm sure the last two wins would have been by larger margins. 


First of all, congratulations to Mt Union for yet another trip to the semis. The sustained excellence is both admirable and enviable. As for this statement, I have seen similar such statements ever since the first JCU/UMU meeting. It seems to suggest Mt Union took it easy on JCU in both contests, which would imply they let them win by just 1 possession both times.

Conservative can also mean they didn't take chances because JCU has the weapons to hurt you and take advantage of being over aggressive. Please explain.

JCU is a team with a lot of talent and a team that feeds off of a lot of positive emotion therefore playing them a bit conservatively isn't without logic and a strategy that was chosen.  It is in a way a sign of respect for JCU.

That's not what you wrote but I think that's more appropriate

You're right - and it was said in a condescending tone.  Along with Ohio State not being focused at times this year and Ohio State missing the tournament would be a impetus for the NCAA to double the number of teams in the playoffs. 
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Quote from: HScoach on December 07, 2014, 07:09:24 PM
Purpled:

My point, obviously poorly made,  was in reference to the OSU fans chanting "we want 'Bama" at the end of the game last night.

I got your point, but it was what they wished for.  If they didn't get #1 seed Bama, they weren't going to be playing.  The "We want Bama" chant sounds better than "College Football Playoff Selection Committee, please let us play".   ;)

Personally, I think OSU's matches up best against Alabama.  The Tide has holes in the backfield that OSU will need for those 50-50% throws like they had last night.  Oregon is too fast and FSU is obviously Satan's team.

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Quote from: amonachino on December 07, 2014, 03:40:43 PM
For all the out of town Mount fans.  The game vs Wesly will be on espn 360 and espnu at noon.  The game UWW vs Linfield will be at 3:30PM on espn 360 and probably espnu.

Are you sure they're on ESPNU?  They're usually only on ESPN3/ESPN360 aka the streaming video.  Not that I'm complaining.  The quality is usually good on those.   

Craft_Beermeister

Quote from: USee on December 07, 2014, 06:49:25 PM
Quote from: Craft_Beermeister on December 07, 2014, 06:33:41 PM
Quote from: USee on December 07, 2014, 10:14:52 AM
Quote from: Craft_Beermeister on December 07, 2014, 08:48:30 AM
If the better team didn't play so conservative against JCU I'm sure the last two wins would have been by larger margins. 


First of all, congratulations to Mt Union for yet another trip to the semis. The sustained excellence is both admirable and enviable. As for this statement, I have seen similar such statements ever since the first JCU/UMU meeting. It seems to suggest Mt Union took it easy on JCU in both contests, which would imply they let them win by just 1 possession both times.

Conservative can also mean they didn't take chances because JCU has the weapons to hurt you and take advantage of being over aggressive. Please explain.

JCU is a team with a lot of talent and a team that feeds off of a lot of positive emotion therefore playing them a bit conservatively isn't without logic and a strategy that was chosen.  It is in a way a sign of respect for JCU.

That's not what you wrote but I think that's more appropriate

Often in the playoffs we have seen Mount Union putting the foot to the peddle and breaking the spirit of the team they are playing which often impacts the game to mounts favor.  With Mount's respect of JCU's skill set and potential explosive nature in scoring I think Mount chose not to take chances that they would normally do against other teams, such as going for it on 4th down when in the opponent's territory.  The strategy worked for Mount Union.  In both games this year it seemed like if anything JCU was more of the aggressor. 

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Quote from: Toph on December 07, 2014, 02:48:20 PM
Quote from: HScoach on December 07, 2014, 11:26:14 AM
I wouldn't call it conservative.    I'd call it struggling on offense because you're going against a really good defense.   

I'm glad a few Mount guys have said this. For some Mount fans, it seems like "conservative playcalling" is the fallback excuse for "our plays are getting shut down."

As I said to my brother, a Mount grad who did not attend the game yesterday, when he asked me "Why is Mount letting [JCU] stay in the game?" It might surprise you to know that JCU plays defense too.

JCU has one of their best defenses that they have had in years.  Don Shula's grandson is getting a lot out of the talented players he has on that side of the ball.  JCU's defensive line dominated Mount's offensive line in the first game and to a much lesser extent in the rematch, but they sure got the attention of Burke resulted in several hurried throws especially on some of shorter throws. 

You will have to ask the other posters about conservative play calling but my references to conservative calls was fewer attempts at stretching the defense and not going for it on short 4th downs beyond midfield.  This wasn't done to keep JCU in the game.  It was more about two heavy weights respecting the talents of the other and not wanting to risk making a mistake.  If Mount wasn't as conservative they might have won by more or might have made costly mistakes and lost the game.  The games were classic games that will be remembered as two heavy weights squaring off.  JCU should hold their heads up and feel good about what they accomplished. 

If Mount Union goes much further in the playoffs respect for JCU should grow even greater based on the games they put up against Mount Union.