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Raiderplaybyplay

In the interest of moving on to a more relevant subject. Thoughts on how mount is going to contain UWWs rushing attack? Mount looked especially vulnerable to the between the tackles runs Wesley through at them.

I'm assuming VK will load the box a bit and hope that the  secondary can contain Kumerow and company. For the most part they've been pretty good against the run this year and have game planned (fairly) well for the run against UWW in the past, just curious if anyone has any interesting ideas or things Im overlooking.




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Quote from: Raiderplaybyplay on December 16, 2014, 12:16:59 AM
In the interest of moving on to a more relevant subject. Thoughts on how mount is going to contain UWWs rushing attack? Mount looked especially vulnerable to the between the tackles runs Wesley through at them.

I'm assuming VK will load the box a bit and hope that the  secondary can contain Kumerow and company. For the most part they've been pretty good against the run this year and have game planned (fairly) well for the run against UWW in the past, just curious if anyone has any interesting ideas or things Im overlooking.

Looking back at the last six UWW/Mount Stagg Bowls, "fairly well for the run against UWW" is stretching it.

2007 - Beaver: 253 yards rushing (8.0 yards/carry); TD
2008 - Anderson: 124 yards rushing (6.4 ypc); 2 TD
2009 - Coppage: 111 yards (5.0 ypc); 3 TD
2010 - Coppage: 299 yards (7.7 ypc); 3 TD
2011 - Coppage (sprained ankle in 1st qrt): 91 yards; TD
2013 - Ratliffe: 146 yards (5.2 ypc); 2 TD

If anything, UWW has been very successful against Mount's run defense, and then some....

Kira & Jaxon's Dad

Quote from: 02 Warhawk on December 16, 2014, 07:50:29 AM
Quote from: Raiderplaybyplay on December 16, 2014, 12:16:59 AM
In the interest of moving on to a more relevant subject. Thoughts on how mount is going to contain UWWs rushing attack? Mount looked especially vulnerable to the between the tackles runs Wesley through at them.

I'm assuming VK will load the box a bit and hope that the  secondary can contain Kumerow and company. For the most part they've been pretty good against the run this year and have game planned (fairly) well for the run against UWW in the past, just curious if anyone has any interesting ideas or things Im overlooking.

Looking back at the last six UWW/Mount Stagg Bowls, "fairly well for the run against UWW" is stretching it.

2007 - Beaver: 253 yards rushing (8.0 yards/carry); TD
2008 - Anderson: 124 yards rushing (6.4 ypc); 2 TD
2009 - Coppage: 111 yards (5.0 ypc); 3 TD
2010 - Coppage: 299 yards (7.7 ypc); 3 TD
2011 - Coppage (sprained ankle in 1st qrt): 91 yards; TD
2013 - Ratliffe: 146 yards (5.2 ypc); 2 TD

If anything, UWW has been very successful against Mount's run defense, and then some....

That's what I was thinking when I read his post.  Still have nightmares about Beaver and Coppage...
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Quote from: Kira & Jaxon's Dad on December 16, 2014, 08:29:44 AM
Quote from: 02 Warhawk on December 16, 2014, 07:50:29 AM
Quote from: Raiderplaybyplay on December 16, 2014, 12:16:59 AM
In the interest of moving on to a more relevant subject. Thoughts on how mount is going to contain UWWs rushing attack? Mount looked especially vulnerable to the between the tackles runs Wesley through at them.

I'm assuming VK will load the box a bit and hope that the  secondary can contain Kumerow and company. For the most part they've been pretty good against the run this year and have game planned (fairly) well for the run against UWW in the past, just curious if anyone has any interesting ideas or things Im overlooking.

Looking back at the last six UWW/Mount Stagg Bowls, "fairly well for the run against UWW" is stretching it.

2007 - Beaver: 253 yards rushing (8.0 yards/carry); TD
2008 - Anderson: 124 yards rushing (6.4 ypc); 2 TD
2009 - Coppage: 111 yards (5.0 ypc); 3 TD
2010 - Coppage: 299 yards (7.7 ypc); 3 TD
2011 - Coppage (sprained ankle in 1st qrt): 91 yards; TD
2013 - Ratliffe: 146 yards (5.2 ypc); 2 TD

If anything, UWW has been very successful against Mount's run defense, and then some....

That's what I was thinking when I read his post.  Still have nightmares about Beaver and Coppage...

its the absolute key to the game for Mount Union, IMO.  Followed closely by protection of Burke.  IF they can stop the Whitewater running game and protect Burke, they would be in good shape.  Both are tall orders.  Like the other posters have said, Wesley had success in the 1st drive running the ball straight ahead on Mount.  They averaged 5 ypc and then TOTALLY abandoned it.  Seriously.  They tried to run a fly sweep, which you just can't do against Mount Union (and Whitewater won't, except to keep the defense honest perhaps) and then put the ball in the air on every subsequent play of the half. 

Wesley's coaches panicked. . . . Whitewater's Coaches won't.
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Quote from: 02 Warhawk on December 16, 2014, 07:50:29 AM
Quote from: Raiderplaybyplay on December 16, 2014, 12:16:59 AM
In the interest of moving on to a more relevant subject. Thoughts on how mount is going to contain UWWs rushing attack? Mount looked especially vulnerable to the between the tackles runs Wesley through at them.

I'm assuming VK will load the box a bit and hope that the  secondary can contain Kumerow and company. For the most part they've been pretty good against the run this year and have game planned (fairly) well for the run against UWW in the past, just curious if anyone has any interesting ideas or things Im overlooking.

Looking back at the last six UWW/Mount Stagg Bowls, "fairly well for the run against UWW" is stretching it.

2007 - Beaver: 253 yards rushing (8.0 yards/carry); TD
2008 - Anderson: 124 yards rushing (6.4 ypc); 2 TD
2009 - Coppage: 111 yards (5.0 ypc); 3 TD
2010 - Coppage: 299 yards (7.7 ypc); 3 TD
2011 - Coppage (sprained ankle in 1st qrt): 91 yards; TD
2013 - Ratliffe: 146 yards (5.2 ypc); 2 TD

If anything, UWW has been very successful against Mount's run defense, and then some....
Aren't you forgetting the most important stat from the 2007 game for Beaver?  The illegal assist that sealed the game for UWW!  Just kidding, but I couldn't resist.  ;D
They should have practiced harder.

02 Warhawk

Quote from: raiderfan1983 on December 16, 2014, 08:51:53 AM
Quote from: 02 Warhawk on December 16, 2014, 07:50:29 AM
Quote from: Raiderplaybyplay on December 16, 2014, 12:16:59 AM
In the interest of moving on to a more relevant subject. Thoughts on how mount is going to contain UWWs rushing attack? Mount looked especially vulnerable to the between the tackles runs Wesley through at them.

I'm assuming VK will load the box a bit and hope that the  secondary can contain Kumerow and company. For the most part they've been pretty good against the run this year and have game planned (fairly) well for the run against UWW in the past, just curious if anyone has any interesting ideas or things Im overlooking.

Looking back at the last six UWW/Mount Stagg Bowls, "fairly well for the run against UWW" is stretching it.

2007 - Beaver: 253 yards rushing (8.0 yards/carry); 1.5 TD  ;D
2008 - Anderson: 124 yards rushing (6.4 ypc); 2 TD
2009 - Coppage: 111 yards (5.0 ypc); 3 TD
2010 - Coppage: 299 yards (7.7 ypc); 3 TD
2011 - Coppage (sprained ankle in 1st qrt): 91 yards; TD
2013 - Ratliffe: 146 yards (5.2 ypc); 2 TD

If anything, UWW has been very successful against Mount's run defense, and then some....
Aren't you forgetting the most important stat from the 2007 game for Beaver?  The illegal assist that sealed the game for UWW!  Just kidding, but I couldn't resist.  ;D

Fixed

I know VK wouldn't forget...he coming running onto the field like a madman after that.

MUC57


SaintsFAN

You keep talking about the adjustments Mount Union has to make and all the things Mount has to worry about. UWW will probably need a few adjustments as well.
You seem to have put UWW on top of the mountain, and maybe they are. However; Mount is not quite as bad as you would make them out to be.
This isn't 2013. Both teams have changed. Mount is considerably better than last year. Hopefully that will be evident on Friday.
Don't write Mount off yet. Even though UWW fans are talking about victory parades on Saturday and enjoyable bus rides home, we still have to play the game.
Most UWW fans seem to think the Warhawks only need to show up whereas most of us who bleed the other shade of purple see a great game coming.

02 Warhawk

I'm sure you are familiar with the old saying, "Ignorance is bliss". I was both of those until you published the figures on UWW rushing over the years. Now I have something else to worry about.
Thanks a lot. Good luck to both teams!
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Blutarsky

Quote from: Kira & Jaxon's Dad on December 16, 2014, 08:29:44 AM
Quote from: 02 Warhawk on December 16, 2014, 07:50:29 AM
Quote from: Raiderplaybyplay on December 16, 2014, 12:16:59 AM
In the interest of moving on to a more relevant subject. Thoughts on how mount is going to contain UWWs rushing attack? Mount looked especially vulnerable to the between the tackles runs Wesley through at them.

I'm assuming VK will load the box a bit and hope that the  secondary can contain Kumerow and company. For the most part they've been pretty good against the run this year and have game planned (fairly) well for the run against UWW in the past, just curious if anyone has any interesting ideas or things Im overlooking.

Looking back at the last six UWW/Mount Stagg Bowls, "fairly well for the run against UWW" is stretching it.

2007 - Beaver: 253 yards rushing (8.0 yards/carry); TD
2008 - Anderson: 124 yards rushing (6.4 ypc); 2 TD
2009 - Coppage: 111 yards (5.0 ypc); 3 TD
2010 - Coppage: 299 yards (7.7 ypc); 3 TD
2011 - Coppage (sprained ankle in 1st qrt): 91 yards; TD
2013 - Ratliffe: 146 yards (5.2 ypc); 2 TD

If anything, UWW has been very successful against Mount's run defense, and then some....

That's what I was thinking when I read his post.  Still have nightmares about Beaver and Coppage...

My dreams about "Beaver" shouldn't be termed nightmares...... ;D

If I'm UWW, I'm trying to control the ball and keep the UMU offense off the field.  It's a lot harder to score on defense.  To me, it's a pretty simple game plan for the defending champion--"pound the rock" as they are fond of saying.  Keep the clock moving and shorten the game.  They (UWW) are best-served by not getting into a shootout with da Raiders.
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WarhawkDad

Quote from: MUC57 on December 16, 2014, 10:43:09 AM

SaintsFAN

You keep talking about the adjustments Mount Union has to make and all the things Mount has to worry about. UWW will probably need a few adjustments as well.
You seem to have put UWW on top of the mountain, and maybe they are. However; Mount is not quite as bad as you would make them out to be.
This isn't 2013. Both teams have changed. Mount is considerably better than last year. Hopefully that will be evident on Friday.
Don't write Mount off yet. Even though UWW fans are talking about victory parades on Saturday and enjoyable bus rides home, we still have to play the game.
Most UWW fans seem to think the Warhawks only need to show up whereas most of us who bleed the other shade of purple see a great game coming.

02 Warhawk

I'm sure you are familiar with the old saying, "Ignorance is bliss". I was both of those until you published the figures on UWW rushing over the years. Now I have something else to worry about.
Thanks a lot. Good luck to both teams!
MUC

The posts you are referencing are due to people's travel plans and the fact that Salem is a 16+ hour drive (significantly further than from Alliance!) each way and that distance by itself curtails the ability of those who attend the game from getting back in time if there is a victory parade.   Believe me when I say that no UWW fan believes this game is going to be easy.  We have a one game at a time mentality.   Most of us were harshly reminded of that in 2012 when UWW did not make the playoffs and we learned how fragile success can be.   

With that said, this game is going to be special for many reasons.   We have a great group of seniors whose leadership started when they were sophomores during the 2012 season and got significant playing time and then they lead us back to the Stagg in 2013.    This will be Lance Leipold's last game as head coach, not to mention the last game of Brian Borland as defensive coordinator who is equally responsible for the success UWW has had and the game comes on the heel's of the death of Forrest Perkins, UWW's coach for  29 years of the program and for whom our stadium is named.   I know these issues will provide emotion to the UWW players.  Will it be converted appropriately, I hope so.   Looking forward to a great game.

WarhawkDad
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Quote from: Blutarsky on December 16, 2014, 11:04:35 AM
Quote from: Kira & Jaxon's Dad on December 16, 2014, 08:29:44 AM
Quote from: 02 Warhawk on December 16, 2014, 07:50:29 AM
Quote from: Raiderplaybyplay on December 16, 2014, 12:16:59 AM
In the interest of moving on to a more relevant subject. Thoughts on how mount is going to contain UWWs rushing attack? Mount looked especially vulnerable to the between the tackles runs Wesley through at them.

I'm assuming VK will load the box a bit and hope that the  secondary can contain Kumerow and company. For the most part they've been pretty good against the run this year and have game planned (fairly) well for the run against UWW in the past, just curious if anyone has any interesting ideas or things Im overlooking.

Looking back at the last six UWW/Mount Stagg Bowls, "fairly well for the run against UWW" is stretching it.

2007 - Beaver: 253 yards rushing (8.0 yards/carry); TD
2008 - Anderson: 124 yards rushing (6.4 ypc); 2 TD
2009 - Coppage: 111 yards (5.0 ypc); 3 TD
2010 - Coppage: 299 yards (7.7 ypc); 3 TD
2011 - Coppage (sprained ankle in 1st qrt): 91 yards; TD
2013 - Ratliffe: 146 yards (5.2 ypc); 2 TD

If anything, UWW has been very successful against Mount's run defense, and then some....

That's what I was thinking when I read his post.  Still have nightmares about Beaver and Coppage...

My dreams about "Beaver" shouldn't be termed nightmares...... ;D

If I'm UWW, I'm trying to control the ball and keep the UMU offense off the field.  It's a lot harder to score on defense.  To me, it's a pretty simple game plan for the defending champion--"pound the rock" as they are fond of saying.  Keep the clock moving and shorten the game.  They (UWW) are best-served by not getting into a shootout with da Raiders.


Agree, this year what is different is the Raiders have a good defense too. If like all 14 games thus far, the Raiders score early and build any kind of a lead, then the ball control approach will not be as effective. I just do not see the Raiders being held to under 28 points.
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Good news guys.  Bo Pelini is being confirmed as the new HC at Youngstown State.  So we can kill that speculatory landing spot.  Now that leaves VK to Whitewater.  We'll have to wait and see.   ;D
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Quote from: reality check on December 16, 2014, 12:36:23 PM
Good news guys.  Bo Pelini is being confirmed as the new HC at Youngstown State.  So we can kill that speculatory landing spot.  Now that leaves VK to Whitewater.  We'll have to wait and see.   ;D

UMU can keep VK, if we're getting a Kehres we'll take LK!  ;D :-X :P

Blutarsky

Quote from: reality check on December 16, 2014, 12:36:23 PM
Good news guys.  Bo Pelini is being confirmed as the new HC at Youngstown State.  So we can kill that speculatory landing spot.  Now that leaves VK to Whitewater.  We'll have to wait and see.   ;D

Has faux Bo Pelini confirmed it?
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MUC 57.....I think Saints Fan has an unbiased view of who/what/where Mount is at this point.  Where do you get that SF indicated Mount was "bad"?  That is just flat out wrong, and has no basis in reality. 

It would be easy to say that the team that has to make the most adjustments is Mount, considering the last four times these two teams have met in the Stagg Bowl.  Especially after last year's beat down!  Come on man!

I think Mount's offense is playing at a high level at the moment, but will still have to face a better front seven then they've faced all year.  That has been true every time they have played UWW in the Stagg. 

And, the last two games Mount's defensive line has stepped up big time, and again, will have to do even more so against Whitewater's offensive line that has been very successful imposing its will on Mount.

I happen to think that Mount is much better on defense, but no one will know if that is enough until Friday night.  Mount's offense will score, and could score big if Mount can control the line of scrimmage.  Excuse anyone for thinking that is a big IF after what has happened in previous years.

Having made the trip last year (my 10th), I am staying home this year and watching it with the crew at my place.  Pulled pork, chips/salsa/queso, and margaritas a la sidekick are on the menu.

Let's go Mount!

Kira & Jaxon's Dad

Quote from: Blutarsky on December 16, 2014, 12:55:53 PM
Quote from: reality check on December 16, 2014, 12:36:23 PM
Good news guys.  Bo Pelini is being confirmed as the new HC at Youngstown State.  So we can kill that speculatory landing spot.  Now that leaves VK to Whitewater.  We'll have to wait and see.   ;D

Has faux Bo Pelini confirmed it?

Actually, he has:

Fake Bo Pelini
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