FB: Ohio Athletic Conference

HScoach · January 22, 2016, 10:31:32 PM

Wow.

Dr. Acula · January 23, 2016, 11:28:02 AM

I would definitely say that you could have a conversation about the 2015 defense vs. the 1997 defense. 2015 was stout. I'm partial to 97 just because I think if you were picking an All-Time team that defense has 3 guys who make that team (Hall, Black, Bugara). Lally is the only one from 2015 I'd put in there. And while I wouldn't put them on an All-Time team, guys on the D line like Eismon and Payne were very good. Good enough that they had more sacks than any Mount D ever (in 14 games too).

As for the Scott over 7 thing? That one I just don't see. Scott had a great year. Throw in the fact that he played WR last year and it was downright exceptional. But Borchert was a surgeon out there. A robot. He was like a QB developed in a lab. Burke was a great QB. Great enough to start 3 years and win the Gagliardi twice. He still finished 2nd in career TD passes...55 behind Borchert. 55!

joelmama · January 23, 2016, 02:39:15 PM

Borchert
Ballard
Scott

Seems blasphemous to list anyone ahead of Borchert. Either that or I suspect some memory lapses. Scott did great in 2015 but if you are looking at careers He wasn't even a QB most of the time and Borchert actually started four years. If you are looking at a single year I am not sure at the collegiate level if anyone had a better year/numbers than Borchert in 97.

HScoach · January 23, 2016, 02:55:42 PM

There is only one QB that merits discussion with Borchert as the best ever and that's Jim Ballard. Period. Anyone that suggests otherwise is either too young to have witnessed Borchert, drunk or dumb.

emma17 · January 23, 2016, 04:55:27 PM

Not sure if you care about an outsider's opinion on QB's. Speaking only of Scott, I feel it's got to be hard for Mt fans to really compare him given he only played QB one season- and his style of play.
Please don't read this as an insult to Scott, but the UWW defense he played was absolutely nothing like the UWW D Burke played in 2013. I consider Burke and Scott similar in style given their elusiveness- perhaps Scott is a bit quicker. But Burke gained negative yardage vs the 2013 UWW team- which was a significantly better tackling team than 2014 and 2015. Burke and Nemeth had big yardage vs 2014 UWW- as all LB's were new and simply not of the caliber of prior teams. As such, I don't know that Scott ever had to play a defense that was great. Think about Scott vs 2007, 2009, 2011 or 2013 UWW. The LB's on those teams were great tacklers- and 2014 and 15 looked nothing like that.
He had a great season and games for sure. But as an opponent, if I've got the typical UWW LB's, I'd much rather play Scott than Burke or Micheli.

Desertraider · January 23, 2016, 11:42:17 PM

What makes it really difficult is that I think guys like Hall and Campbell played later in games than the more recent ones like Lally. I am not young, or really all that old, but I don't remember Hall and the like playing 2 qtrs a game - especially in the playoffs. The Mount D has had the luxury of playing only 2 to 2.5 qtrs in 1st and 2nd round games. I am not saying they are better than Hall, Bugara, Campbell etc. but Mount has had really good draws for a while now in the first few rounds (admit it - we all say "Mount's first test won't come until the semis" or "Pencil Mount in the semis"). The guys in 96, 97, 98 played later into games and have better career numbers. Jason Hall is my daughters PE teacher and I told her about him and said his numbers will likely never be broken until Mount falls off the mount and has to play the starters for 4 qtrs.

On the QB side - wow. Narrowing it down to a top is so hard because they are all so damn good. Borchert is a run away #1 without question. As always who is number 2 and 3 is the hard part. Ballard was great but I always thought he got the 'sentimental' nod since he was the 1st to lead Mount to a championship. Ballard was awesome - but I have to put Micheli at #2 (at least right now). 2 titles, could extend plays and could run if needed. He was smart and didn't make mistakes. Burke, as good as he was is not my #3 - that goes to Ballard. I hate to say it but I would have Smeck at #4 and Burke #5. On the Scott vs Burke thing. I don't think Burke got negative yards in 2013 because the UWW D (which was a GREAT D) - but he had games where he seemed indecisive (would have a lane to run and for some reason hesitate and look downfield again, then try and run and take a loss) - I always wondered if he was trying too hard to "not" do it himself. His Soph season he didn't do that - if he had a lane and no one downfield he went for it. By comparison Scott played most of this year like Burke did as a Sophomore. He didn't hesitate much, but went when it was there. Anyway - my .02 cents, it is late - I will re-read this tomorrow and probably disagree with it then but who knows.

Dr. Acula · January 24, 2016, 08:48:07 AM

Technically those starters on the 96/97/98 teams played 0 quarters in the 1st round since they had a bye back then. Their 1st playoff game was always round 2.

HScoach · January 24, 2016, 12:50:59 PM

Without researching it, the only game I remember being in doubt during the 97 season was Allegheny. That was a dominant team.

98 was the young Mount team that fought it's way thru the OAC and playoffs to a title. Almost every game that season was a struggle

Dr. Acula · January 24, 2016, 02:44:03 PM

1997 playoff results:

2nd Round: 34-30 over Allegheny
Quarterfinals: 59-7 over JCU
Semifinals: 54-7 over Simpson
Stagg Bowl: 61-12 over Lycoming

The closest regular season game was ONU 38-14.

Side note: Watching those Allegheny teams back in the 90's makes one really scratch their head at the state of that program. Those were big, tough, physical teams. You always knew Allegheny was going to be a battle back then.

Dr. Acula · January 24, 2016, 03:00:46 PM

Freshman DB Louis Berry is running track also. He won the 60m dash at the OAC split meet in 7.01 seconds. He also finished 6th in the 200.

Pat Coleman · January 24, 2016, 09:05:16 PM

Quote from: HScoach on January 24, 2016, 12:50:59 PM
Without researching it, the only game I remember being in doubt during the 97 season was Allegheny. That was a dominant team.

98 was the young Mount team that fought it's way thru the OAC and playoffs to a title. Almost every game that season was a struggle

There were no byes until 1999. Byes were in play from 1999-2004.

LadyBear · January 25, 2016, 09:39:44 AM

ONU all time receiver leader, Devon Price, performed well at NFLPA Collegiate Bowl ok Saturday!! I also read that ONU brought n 21 recruits this weekend looking o build upon last year's success.

badgerwarhawk · January 25, 2016, 11:42:16 AM

Quote from: Dr. Acula on January 23, 2016, 11:28:02 AM

As for the Scott over 7 thing? That one I just don't see. Scott had a great year. Throw in the fact that he played WR last year and it was downright exceptional. But Borchert was a surgeon out there. A robot. He was like a QB developed in a lab. Burke was a great QB. Great enough to start 3 years and win the Gagliardi twice. He still finished 2nd in career TD passes...55 behind Borchert. 55!

Was Borchert the QB we faced in the years prior to our meetings in the Stagg Bowl? I only saw that guy play once but you could tell he was damn good.

Where would you slot Greg Mecheli? He was absolutely amazing in the 2006 Stagg.

Desertraider · January 25, 2016, 12:01:14 PM

Quote from: badgerwarhawk on January 25, 2016, 11:42:16 AM
Quote from: Dr. Acula on January 23, 2016, 11:28:02 AM

As for the Scott over 7 thing? That one I just don't see. Scott had a great year. Throw in the fact that he played WR last year and it was downright exceptional. But Borchert was a surgeon out there. A robot. He was like a QB developed in a lab. Burke was a great QB. Great enough to start 3 years and win the Gagliardi twice. He still finished 2nd in career TD passes...55 behind Borchert. 55!

Was Borchert the QB we faced in the years prior to our meetings in the Stagg Bowl? I only saw that guy play once but you could tell he was damn good.

Where would you slot Greg Mecheli? He was absolutely amazing in the 2006 Stagg.

I know it was Adamson in 2002 and then Bruney/Burghart in 2003. None of them compare to Borchert. I would put Micheli, and did, at my #2 spot on Mount Union-more. Bruney and Burghart were good but I never liked the 2 QB system, even though I think the 2003 team was one of the best teams to not win a Stagg.

HScoach · January 25, 2016, 12:55:34 PM

Quote from: badgerwarhawk on January 25, 2016, 11:42:16 AM
Quote from: Dr. Acula on January 23, 2016, 11:28:02 AM

As for the Scott over 7 thing? That one I just don't see. Scott had a great year. Throw in the fact that he played WR last year and it was downright exceptional. But Borchert was a surgeon out there. A robot. He was like a QB developed in a lab. Burke was a great QB. Great enough to start 3 years and win the Gagliardi twice. He still finished 2nd in career TD passes...55 behind Borchert. 55!

Was Borchert the QB we faced in the years prior to our meetings in the Stagg Bowl? I only saw that guy play once but you could tell he was damn good.

Where would you slot Greg Mecheli? He was absolutely amazing in the 2006 Stagg.

No, Borchert was the guy to immediately following Jim Ballard in 1994 and quickly proved that the great teams of 92 and 93 weren't going to be an aberration.

As a comparison to recent history, think Greg Micheli with a much stronger, more accurate arm. Threw the deep ball with the same accuracy as the good QB's throw a 10 crossing route. Dude was sick. 61 TD vs 2 INT his senior year. The crazy part was that he was an option QB in high school and rarely threw the ball.