FB: Ohio Athletic Conference

[Desertraider]

Looks like, according to the website, the season runs March through June.

http://viennavikings.com/american-football/afl-team-i/spielplan-team-1/

Thanks. My foreign language skills (Latin at Hiram College - yea!) didn't come in handy in locating much. Could have clicked around but...alas I didn't.

[jknezek]

Looks like, according to the website, the season runs March through June.

http://viennavikings.com/american-football/afl-team-i/spielplan-team-1/

Thanks. My foreign language skills (Latin at Hiram College - yea!) didn't come in handy in locating much. Could have clicked around but...alas I didn't.

Web browsers translate everything for you (though not always well). Just right click on the website and click the translate option

[Desertraider]

Looks like, according to the website, the season runs March through June.

http://viennavikings.com/american-football/afl-team-i/spielplan-team-1/

Thanks. My foreign language skills (Latin at Hiram College - yea!) didn't come in handy in locating much. Could have clicked around but...alas I didn't.

Web browsers translate everything for you (though not always well). Just right click on the website and click the translate option

At home - yes. At work....not so much. Gotta love outdated everything that is still "good enough". Cheers-

[jknezek]

Looks like, according to the website, the season runs March through June.

http://viennavikings.com/american-football/afl-team-i/spielplan-team-1/

Thanks. My foreign language skills (Latin at Hiram College - yea!) didn't come in handy in locating much. Could have clicked around but...alas I didn't.

Web browsers translate everything for you (though not always well). Just right click on the website and click the translate option

At home - yes. At work....not so much. Gotta love outdated everything that is still "good enough". Cheers-

Ah. I know the feeling...

[HScoach]

What it could turn into is a discussion on why no one besides JCU and ONU seems to be capable of fielding a good football team these days.  Berg had a nice little run, but when that stellar class graduated they've slid back to the middle.  Cap and Musky seem better, but all that seems to be happening is that the middle of the OAC is getting bigger.  No one is ascending up to that top 20 level anytime soon it doesn't appear.  It's:

Mount

JCU and/or ONU
The Middle

Wilm

There was a period in the 90s thru mid 00s where there were conference teams really pushing to get better and to compete with Mount.   However recently it feels like they've just given up.   Capital and BW are both horrible.   ONU is average at best and hasn't fielded a legit contender in almost 20 years.   Only JCU seems to even care if they're good.

The days of the OAC preparing Mount for the playoffs are dead and gone.

[Craft_Beermeister]

Callahan showed he could play in preseason. All DIII fans know what he is made of. The Browns should give him a shot.

Browns have a lot of young talent and this should be a great opportunity for Joe.

[bleedpurple]

Callahan showed he could play in preseason. All DIII fans know what he is made of. The Browns should give him a shot.

Browns have a lot of young talent and this should be a great opportunity for Joe.

That's the nicest thing I've read about the Browns in a long, long time.

[Dr. Acula]

What it could turn into is a discussion on why no one besides JCU and ONU seems to be capable of fielding a good football team these days.  Berg had a nice little run, but when that stellar class graduated they've slid back to the middle.  Cap and Musky seem better, but all that seems to be happening is that the middle of the OAC is getting bigger.  No one is ascending up to that top 20 level anytime soon it doesn't appear.  It's:

Mount

JCU and/or ONU
The Middle

Wilm

There was a period in the 90s thru mid 00s where there were conference teams really pushing to get better and to compete with Mount.   However recently it feels like they've just given up.   Capital and BW are both horrible.   ONU is average at best and hasn't fielded a legit contender in almost 20 years.   Only JCU seems to even care if they're good.

The days of the OAC preparing Mount for the playoffs are dead and gone.

I'm trying to remember back to those challenging teams back in the day.  It seemed like the common thread for them was other-worldly QB play.  Franzer, Arth, Larlham, Dr. Pentello.  To be fair, those great ONU teams were loaded with Robertson, Vagedes, etc.  They just had a ton of talent across the board.

That got me wondering...could this finally be the effect of D2 emerging in Ohio?  Mount hasn't suffered a drop off, but they're also a name brand both within the state and outside of it.  They can go to IN, MI, FL, etc. and get good talent just because they're Mount and kids have heard of them.  But if the talent pool is not as deep in OH how much has that hurt a BW?  To me it looks like a lot.  Or how much does Ott want to spend on having their coaches go to FL to recruit?  It's almost turned into an arms race and I'm not sure who is willing to play that game.  Like you said at this point it seems like JCU is the only taker.   

[Kira & Jaxon's Dad]

Kevin Burke Article:

http://football-austria.com/home/vik-home-single.html?&tx_ttnews[tt_news]=8075&cHash=3d4dfff96d2dfaa705ea25ce9b244256

[Desertraider]

What it could turn into is a discussion on why no one besides JCU and ONU seems to be capable of fielding a good football team these days.  Berg had a nice little run, but when that stellar class graduated they've slid back to the middle.  Cap and Musky seem better, but all that seems to be happening is that the middle of the OAC is getting bigger.  No one is ascending up to that top 20 level anytime soon it doesn't appear.  It's:

Mount

JCU and/or ONU
The Middle

Wilm

There was a period in the 90s thru mid 00s where there were conference teams really pushing to get better and to compete with Mount.   However recently it feels like they've just given up.   Capital and BW are both horrible.   ONU is average at best and hasn't fielded a legit contender in almost 20 years.   Only JCU seems to even care if they're good.

The days of the OAC preparing Mount for the playoffs are dead and gone.

I'm trying to remember back to those challenging teams back in the day.  It seemed like the common thread for them was other-worldly QB play.  Franzer, Arth, Larlham, Dr. Pentello.  To be fair, those great ONU teams were loaded with Robertson, Vagedes, etc.  They just had a ton of talent across the board.

That got me wondering...could this finally be the effect of D2 emerging in Ohio?  Mount hasn't suffered a drop off, but they're also a name brand both within the state and outside of it.  They can go to IN, MI, FL, etc. and get good talent just because they're Mount and kids have heard of them.  But if the talent pool is not as deep in OH how much has that hurt a BW?  To me it looks like a lot.  Or how much does Ott want to spend on having their coaches go to FL to recruit?  It's almost turned into an arms race and I'm not sure who is willing to play that game.  Like you said at this point it seems like JCU is the only taker.

I thought about that as well. It may play a role. But I think about the kid at ONU (Rico Johnson?) that came in highly touted, and sat behind their current QB (who seems to have an uncanny ability to toss an INT when it hurt the most). I mean other talented QBs have come in to these schools but don't pan out. I really think coaching plays a HUGE role. Arth knows how to develop a QB, and Mount does as well. More to the point - they know how to get the most out of what their skill set is. I think in the case of BW and a few others - the coaching is stale. Same approach year after year. OTTs coaches all but quit on them last year against Mount (sorry but when coaches stop talking to the team before the 1st qtr is over - they quit). I like what Mount does on the coaching side. Look at the coaches and you see Gonnell, Burke and a ton of former players. They know how Mount does it, help prevent drop-off by passing on what they know and (especially with the younger coaches) they can still connect with the players on a more personal level. I think Burke really helped Taurice Scott because he knew him as a teammate and then a coach - same with Gonnell in developing the LBs this year. I have always said it is more than talent.

[BrowardRaider]

What it could turn into is a discussion on why no one besides JCU and ONU seems to be capable of fielding a good football team these days.  Berg had a nice little run, but when that stellar class graduated they've slid back to the middle.  Cap and Musky seem better, but all that seems to be happening is that the middle of the OAC is getting bigger.  No one is ascending up to that top 20 level anytime soon it doesn't appear.  It's:

Mount

JCU and/or ONU
The Middle

Wilm

There was a period in the 90s thru mid 00s where there were conference teams really pushing to get better and to compete with Mount.   However recently it feels like they've just given up.   Capital and BW are both horrible.   ONU is average at best and hasn't fielded a legit contender in almost 20 years.   Only JCU seems to even care if they're good.

The days of the OAC preparing Mount for the playoffs are dead and gone.

I'm trying to remember back to those challenging teams back in the day.  It seemed like the common thread for them was other-worldly QB play.  Franzer, Arth, Larlham, Dr. Pentello.  To be fair, those great ONU teams were loaded with Robertson, Vagedes, etc.  They just had a ton of talent across the board.

That got me wondering...could this finally be the effect of D2 emerging in Ohio?  Mount hasn't suffered a drop off, but they're also a name brand both within the state and outside of it.  They can go to IN, MI, FL, etc. and get good talent just because they're Mount and kids have heard of them.  But if the talent pool is not as deep in OH how much has that hurt a BW?  To me it looks like a lot.  Or how much does Ott want to spend on having their coaches go to FL to recruit?  It's almost turned into an arms race and I'm not sure who is willing to play that game.  Like you said at this point it seems like JCU is the only taker.

Wonder this myself even with Mount, I haven't seen it appear so much in the skill positions due to recruiting as you mention but it seems the lines may have taken a bit of a hit over the years since the emergence of D2. During the rise and reign of the other purple team it seemed a lot of their success against Mount started up front with dominant play in the trenches.

[Desertraider]

I will concede that Mount's lines have gotten smaller and that may be a product of the DII rise. It could also be a shift in style (or maybe the shift is the result of lack of size). Mount seemed to go smaller on the lines, but faster in terms of pace. They don't play the so called smash-mouth football anymore. But the lines have gotten quicker and allowed for more pace on offense and speed "all over the field" on defense.

[Dr. Acula]

On the D line I think they've definitely gotten smaller, especially at DE.  Anymore it's almost like the DE is a hybrid DE/LB.  Heck, Redman WAS a backup LB last year.  And Jackson is 5-9, 215 (and listed as a DB, for the record) playing opposite him. 

They seem to be beefing up on the O line recently.  Doraty at center is the smallest at 6-0, 275.

LT: 6-4, 285
LG: 6-0, 295
C:  6-0, 275
RG:  6-2, 285
RT:  6-4, 280

That's not a massive line, but for D3 I'd say that's a very solid sized line.  A lot of times you see more bowling ball guys.  Mount tends to have more long and lean(er) guys.

[formerd3db]

On the D line I think they've definitely gotten smaller, especially at DE.  Anymore it's almost like the DE is a hybrid DE/LB.  Heck, Redman WAS a backup LB last year.  And Jackson is 5-9, 215 (and listed as a DB, for the record) playing opposite him. 

They seem to be beefing up on the O line recently.  Doraty at center is the smallest at 6-0, 275.

LT: 6-4, 285
LG: 6-0, 295
C:  6-0, 275
RG:  6-2, 285
RT:  6-4, 280

That's not a massive line, but for D3 I'd say that's a very solid sized line.  A lot of times you see more bowling ball guys.  Mount tends to have more long and lean(er) guys.

Interesting observation, Dr. Acula.  Without taking the time to check a number of rosters, I would say that is really more than a solid sized line-I tend to believe it is substantial with regard to DIII.  Certainly, way back at the Mount Union/Bridgewater Stagg Bowl, that year Mount's starting offensive line's total average was 302, which was 3 lbs less than Ohio State's line that same year.  I recall seeing them play at the Stagg and they were not slow at all.

I agree with you, though, that overall DIII lines have seemed to be smaller in recent years.  I have witnessed that certainly at our Hope, which we seem to overall be small compared to many of the other schools.  I also believe (as some have suggested here in the discussion) that some of this (although not all) is partly due to the presence of DII.  Anyway, interesting discussion.  Certainly, some "smaller, learner" lines can do tremendous things.

[Kira & Jaxon's Dad]

When is kdets89 going to post some more links to JV Games on YouTube?