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Dr. Acula

Quote from: wally_wabash on December 08, 2016, 10:45:57 AM
Has a regional player of the year ever been dumped on as thoroughly as Bradley Mitchell has been?  I'm blown away by the commentary here this week.

We are a spoiled, demanding bunch!  Kid is averaging 113 yds/gm, 6.6 ypc, 20 TD and zero fumbles and we're making him sound like he's just okay.  I think the biggest knock on him is something he cannot control...size.  He is extremely quick and he's slippery with his cuts.  His athleticism is too much for 95% of D3 defenses to contain.  But when you face the top defenses you're not going to consistently beat them with moves.  You need to put your foot in the ground, make a cut and gain 4 or 5 yards.  His size makes that difficult to accomplish repeatedly.  Last year Nemeth seemed to gain 6 yards constantly, but it was often a 3 yard run that he dragged a guy or moved the pile for the extra 3 yards.  You're just not getting those extra yards with Mitchell.  All the guys desertraider mentioned brought that to the table.

Side note:  one thing they've added that I like is using Mitchell as a pass catcher.  He's done a nice job making plays on passes.  That plays to his strengths more IMO.

SaintsFAN

Quote from: Pat Coleman on December 08, 2016, 11:02:57 AM
Quote from: desertraider on December 08, 2016, 10:56:32 AM
Quote from: wally_wabash on December 08, 2016, 10:45:57 AM
Has a regional player of the year ever been dumped on as thoroughly as Bradley Mitchell has been?  I'm blown away by the commentary here this week.

Probably not. BJ is a really good RB - but his bar for comparison isn't former Regional POY, it's: Kmic, Moore, Pugh and Nemeth. All great players that played better when the game got bigger and the competition got tougher. BJ has a history, as has been said, of looking great against average teams - and below average against good ones. The Alfred game actually surprised me. I did not expect him to put up that many yards, especially given what was said about the Alfred defense (granted by Alfred fans). BJs performance didn't make me question the doubts about his performance in big games - it made me question if Alfred's run defense was any good to begin with.

Who's the individual offensive talent in the North Region that should have been selected ahead of him?

Matt Hunt?  Not a lot of names come to mind in the region, thats for sure.  I'm playing D.A. here, as well.
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Quote from: desertraider on December 08, 2016, 11:13:30 AM
Quote from: Jonny "Utes" Utah on December 08, 2016, 11:01:05 AM
Quote from: desertraider on December 08, 2016, 10:40:52 AM
Nice little clip of the Alfred post game PC. QB looks a little banged up but he says something early that we all knew:"We saw that the secondary was the weak part of the defense". They also say that is why he threw the ball 67 times. Nothing new - but interesting to hear an opponents viewpoint of the Mount D.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S5lDtKB9y0M&feature=youtu.be

I've watched the greater part of 3 UMU games this year, and it does seem that the front 6-7 aren't helping the secondary in terms of pass rush, blitzing, or LB drops.  Alfred's QB can scramble, and that helped him, but do you guys think UMU's defensive scheme is a little off this year?  It always seemed they were able to get more pressure, and once every other series or so get a nice blitz in there to rattle the QB and either force a pick, sack, or hurry that would destroy the drive series.

I noticed a lot of 3 man rush, which I assume is to help the secondary?

I think the 3 man rush is too help in coverage. Not sure if I am right - but it makes sense. You are right though - the front 6-7 don't seem to be getting real pressure and sacks when they need them. Against Alfred they got a ton of hurries and flushed him almost every time - but they didn't or couldn't finish it. The Alfred QB was actually very good throwing on the run (not great as he had a ton of high throws). The only game that comes to mind where Mount got pressure and sacks when they had to have them was against Johns Hopkins in the 4th QTR.

I feel like there are guys playing up front (not all of them) that wouldn't be in the rotation most years, but when you lose the guys from last year's team that they did...
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Undefeated: 1991, 1995, 2001, 2009, 2010, 2015
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Dr. Acula

^^^ That's very true.  The thing that I like even less is that they aren't young up front either in terms of class.  They're all juniors and seniors except one freshman (Reid).  It'd be easier to swallow if you had a bunch of freshmen/sophomores playing because you'd expect to take some lumps as they mature.

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Quote from: desertraider on December 08, 2016, 11:13:30 AM
Quote from: Jonny "Utes" Utah on December 08, 2016, 11:01:05 AM
Quote from: desertraider on December 08, 2016, 10:40:52 AM
Nice little clip of the Alfred post game PC. QB looks a little banged up but he says something early that we all knew:"We saw that the secondary was the weak part of the defense". They also say that is why he threw the ball 67 times. Nothing new - but interesting to hear an opponents viewpoint of the Mount D.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S5lDtKB9y0M&feature=youtu.be

I've watched the greater part of 3 UMU games this year, and it does seem that the front 6-7 aren't helping the secondary in terms of pass rush, blitzing, or LB drops.  Alfred's QB can scramble, and that helped him, but do you guys think UMU's defensive scheme is a little off this year?  It always seemed they were able to get more pressure, and once every other series or so get a nice blitz in there to rattle the QB and either force a pick, sack, or hurry that would destroy the drive series.

I noticed a lot of 3 man rush, which I assume is to help the secondary?

I think the 3 man rush is too help in coverage. Not sure if I am right - but it makes sense. You are right though - the front 6-7 don't seem to be getting real pressure and sacks when they need them. Against Alfred they got a ton of hurries and flushed him almost every time - but they didn't or couldn't finish it. The Alfred QB was actually very good throwing on the run (not great as he had a ton of high throws). The only game that comes to mind where Mount got pressure and sacks when they had to have them was against Johns Hopkins in the 4th QTR.
Can I order up a 3 man rush for Saturday? please? with a side order of man on man for TJ Josey
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Desertraider

Quote from: Toby Taff on December 08, 2016, 02:32:34 PM
Quote from: desertraider on December 08, 2016, 11:13:30 AM
Quote from: Jonny "Utes" Utah on December 08, 2016, 11:01:05 AM
Quote from: desertraider on December 08, 2016, 10:40:52 AM
Nice little clip of the Alfred post game PC. QB looks a little banged up but he says something early that we all knew:"We saw that the secondary was the weak part of the defense". They also say that is why he threw the ball 67 times. Nothing new - but interesting to hear an opponents viewpoint of the Mount D.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S5lDtKB9y0M&feature=youtu.be

I've watched the greater part of 3 UMU games this year, and it does seem that the front 6-7 aren't helping the secondary in terms of pass rush, blitzing, or LB drops.  Alfred's QB can scramble, and that helped him, but do you guys think UMU's defensive scheme is a little off this year?  It always seemed they were able to get more pressure, and once every other series or so get a nice blitz in there to rattle the QB and either force a pick, sack, or hurry that would destroy the drive series.

I noticed a lot of 3 man rush, which I assume is to help the secondary?

I think the 3 man rush is too help in coverage. Not sure if I am right - but it makes sense. You are right though - the front 6-7 don't seem to be getting real pressure and sacks when they need them. Against Alfred they got a ton of hurries and flushed him almost every time - but they didn't or couldn't finish it. The Alfred QB was actually very good throwing on the run (not great as he had a ton of high throws). The only game that comes to mind where Mount got pressure and sacks when they had to have them was against Johns Hopkins in the 4th QTR.
Can I order up a 3 man rush for Saturday? please? with a sidr order on man on man for TJ Josey

This ain't Burger King! You don't get it your way (well maybe you don't, with this D - who knows!).
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Toby Taff

Quote from: desertraider on December 08, 2016, 02:34:21 PM
Quote from: Toby Taff on December 08, 2016, 02:32:34 PM
Can I order up a 3 man rush for Saturday? please? with a sidr order on man on man for TJ Josey

This ain't Burger King! You don't get it your way (well maybe you don't, with this D - who knows!).
;D
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SaintsFAN

Quote from: Toby Taff on December 08, 2016, 02:32:34 PM
Quote from: desertraider on December 08, 2016, 11:13:30 AM
Quote from: Jonny "Utes" Utah on December 08, 2016, 11:01:05 AM
Quote from: desertraider on December 08, 2016, 10:40:52 AM
Nice little clip of the Alfred post game PC. QB looks a little banged up but he says something early that we all knew:"We saw that the secondary was the weak part of the defense". They also say that is why he threw the ball 67 times. Nothing new - but interesting to hear an opponents viewpoint of the Mount D.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S5lDtKB9y0M&feature=youtu.be

I've watched the greater part of 3 UMU games this year, and it does seem that the front 6-7 aren't helping the secondary in terms of pass rush, blitzing, or LB drops.  Alfred's QB can scramble, and that helped him, but do you guys think UMU's defensive scheme is a little off this year?  It always seemed they were able to get more pressure, and once every other series or so get a nice blitz in there to rattle the QB and either force a pick, sack, or hurry that would destroy the drive series.

I noticed a lot of 3 man rush, which I assume is to help the secondary?

I think the 3 man rush is too help in coverage. Not sure if I am right - but it makes sense. You are right though - the front 6-7 don't seem to be getting real pressure and sacks when they need them. Against Alfred they got a ton of hurries and flushed him almost every time - but they didn't or couldn't finish it. The Alfred QB was actually very good throwing on the run (not great as he had a ton of high throws). The only game that comes to mind where Mount got pressure and sacks when they had to have them was against Johns Hopkins in the 4th QTR.
Can I order up a 3 man rush for Saturday? please? with a side order of man on man for TJ Josey

if you watched the last three quarters of the Alfred game, you'll know that you don't need that side order of Man on Man. 

Reminded me of a teammate who ran go routes and posts and took the top off of defenses, even when they were in a Cover 3 zone.  Unreal.
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Undefeated: 1991, 1995, 2001, 2009, 2010, 2015
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pvpanthers

Unfortunately, this secondary cannot cover their own shadows. They have made a great run so congratulations to them. Hopefully, they can get some guys who can play back there for next season if they want to get back to Salem.


Onward on, John Carroll

The rumors that VK is heading to Toledo to join Candle's staff are coming often and from all directions.  Any truth?

edward de vere

Interesting re VK.  I've been wondering if Tom Arth would be looking to move up in a year or two.

HScoach

Quote from: Onward on, John Carroll on December 08, 2016, 04:33:21 PM
The rumors that VK is heading to Toledo to join Candle's staff are coming often and from all directions.  Any truth?

I'd be surprised by this move now that he's the head man at Mount.   That move would have made much more sense while he was still the DC under LK. 
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Desertraider

Quote from: Onward on, John Carroll on December 08, 2016, 04:33:21 PM
The rumors that VK is heading to Toledo to join Candle's staff are coming often and from all directions.  Any truth?

Hmmm. Are the rumors travelling to jcu territory - or from it? :o ;D  I thought about this and...it makes some sense. VK doesn't want to be a position coach or a DC anymore BUT - Candle's wick is burning bright (Ha - see what I did there?). He may be on the move-up after a couple years and VK, if he goes now, could be the next Mount man at Toledo.

Not saying there is any truth to it. LK vetted VK pretty well before turning over the keys. I am sure he wouldn't have done it if VK was going to be out the door after 4 years. However, if he did leave (IF!) who would step in? Not an outside hire - they don't know the Mount way. Dartt? Capas? Woj? Gulling (I hear he has a training center?) Hogya? Heck some of those guys have been there since they built the place. Maybe younger...a shot in the dark....Burke!
RIP MUC57 - Go Everybody!
National Champions: 1993, 1996, 1997, 1998, 2000, 2001, 2002, 2005, 2006, 2008, 2012, 2015, 2017
The Autumn Wind is a Raider!! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pzEYK_XjyLg
Immaculate Prevention: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eZLq_acsVN0