FB: Ohio Athletic Conference

[Dr. Acula]

That's a big step. It's not like Chattanooga is a program in the dumps. They are very competitive outside their money game in a very good FCS conference. They played Sam Houston State tough in the second round of the playoffs this year, third straight time they've made it, and the team has OK fan support unlike some FCS schools. Good for him as he must have really impressed with the interview stage, but he's going to need to hit the ground running hard.

A bunch of the stuff online says Peyton Manning was pushing hard for him too so that couldn't have hurt.

[Desertraider]

Wow. Huge loss for JCU. Great for Tom - outstanding Coach and a truly great guy. I hope this turns out better for JCU than Hallett leaving has for Berg.

BTW: Other Men of "Carroll"
Carroll O'Conner
Brian Miller - AKA Mr. Carol Burnett

LOL.

But let us not forget Charles Carroll, a singee of the Declaration of Independence; and John Carroll Lynch, the barber from Gran Torino.

Nice. +K. Also Lewis Carroll (author) - and of course Pete Carroll. Oh those Men of Carroll. 

[HScoach]

The Arth news reminds me of how fortunate we were that LK was content with staying in Alliance.    That fact is as remarkable as his winning percentage.

[pradierguy]

The Arth news reminds me of how fortunate we were that LK was content with staying in Alliance.    That fact is as remarkable as his winning percentage.

Unfortunately I think VK will be more like Arth and less like his old man. Which is fine, but we're spoiled.

[SaintsFAN]

The Arth news reminds me of how fortunate we were that LK was content with staying in Alliance.    That fact is as remarkable as his winning percentage.

Unfortunately I think VK will be more like Arth and less like his old man. Which is fine, but we're spoiled.

I agree with you.  He needs to continue to be selective; but there will be an offer he just wouldn't be able to refuse. 

VK did a helluva job this year.

Let's spin this forward:  Who should be on JCU's shortlist of candidates?  They are going to have some interest.  I know of only one name of a coach who won't be going back there.

[Desertraider]

Was searching around for more on Arth and came across this:

http://media.cleveland.com/sports/college_impact/photo/tom-arth-5eb5b9f558363312.jpg

Can anyone ID the Raider?

[Dr. Acula]

Looking at the roster my guess would be Josh Ludwig.  He was #90.

[Dr. Acula]

The Arth news reminds me of how fortunate we were that LK was content with staying in Alliance.    That fact is as remarkable as his winning percentage.

Unfortunately I think VK will be more like Arth and less like his old man. Which is fine, but we're spoiled.

I agree with you.  He needs to continue to be selective; but there will be an offer he just wouldn't be able to refuse. 

VK did a helluva job this year.

Let's spin this forward:  Who should be on JCU's shortlist of candidates?  They are going to have some interest.  I know of only one name of a coach who won't be going back there.

Their DC would be a no brainer if he's not going with Arth.  I'd guess that he is though.

I'd think you'd have to throw Debeljak on the list too.  He's a JCU grad and already in Cleveland.

I'm sure he'd say no, but I'd also at least make a call to Chuck Kyle.  He's in his mid 60's, but he's a JCU guy too so I'd at least take a shot at "last chance to try college ball, coach."  Probably not a long-term solution obviously, but I've always wondered how that marriage would work out between JCU and Kyle.  I think he'd be great.

[USee]

Coach Dartt from UMU to JCU

[wally_wabash]

Was searching around for more on Arth and came across this:

http://media.cleveland.com/sports/college_impact/photo/tom-arth-5eb5b9f558363312.jpg

Can anyone ID the Raider?

Huh?  Congrats on all your crazy awesome success, Tom.  Here's a picture of you getting folded up like a lawn chair. 

I don't understand this.  Seems petty, tbh. 

The Arth news reminds me of how fortunate we were that LK was content with staying in Alliance.    That fact is as remarkable as his winning percentage.

Unfortunately I think VK will be more like Arth and less like his old man. Which is fine, but we're spoiled.

I agree with you.  He needs to continue to be selective; but there will be an offer he just wouldn't be able to refuse. 

Agree with both of you.  The Mount Union connections are spreading like wildfire through D-I.  Seems inevitable that he'll try this out at some point.  Unless they go ahead and make him AD when Larry Kehres decides to retire.  But, much like the D3 lifer, I think we're kind of at the end of the dual coach/AD situation in college athletics as well. 

[Onward on, John Carroll]

The Arth news reminds me of how fortunate we were that LK was content with staying in Alliance.    That fact is as remarkable as his winning percentage.

Unfortunately I think VK will be more like Arth and less like his old man. Which is fine, but we're spoiled.

I agree with you.  He needs to continue to be selective; but there will be an offer he just wouldn't be able to refuse. 

VK did a helluva job this year.

Let's spin this forward:  Who should be on JCU's shortlist of candidates?  They are going to have some interest.  I know of only one name of a coach who won't be going back there.

Their DC would be a no brainer if he's not going with Arth.  I'd guess that he is though.

I'd think you'd have to throw Debeljak on the list too.  He's a JCU grad and already in Cleveland.

I'm sure he'd say no, but I'd also at least make a call to Chuck Kyle.  He's in his mid 60's, but he's a JCU guy too so I'd at least take a shot at "last chance to try college ball, coach."  Probably not a long-term solution obviously, but I've always wondered how that marriage would work out between JCU and Kyle.  I think he'd be great.

Staley - the DC - is leaving with Arth.  He would have been, I assume, the school's top internal choice.  Cochran and Hennessy are also going to UT-T, so, it is a safe assumption that the school's next football coach will be an external hire.

Kyle was offered the job when Tony DeCarlo retired but he was not interested.  I think there would be mutual disinterest this time around due to his age and legendary status at Ignatius and in the high school ranks, generally.

From what I am told, there were also overtures made to Debeljak when Tony DeCarlo stepped aside but he had only been at CWRU a year or two and declined the offer.  Also complicating things was the financial investment CWRU made in him.  At that time, the only HC in the OAC making more than Debeljak at CWRU was LK.  In fact, his coordinators would have been the 5th and 6th highest paid coaches in the OAC.  In short, his program was well-funded at Case and JCU could not or chose not to match it.  Enter:  Regis Scafe and his march to mediocrity (especially after Coach DeCarlo's last recruits, like Tom Arth, graduated).  I know JCU upped its financial commitment to football when Arth was hired and in the years since but it simply does not have the ability to match Case and their billion dollar endowment.  When schools like Case want to fund something, they can.  No such luxury anywhere in the OAC.

[Desertraider]

Was searching around for more on Arth and came across this:

http://media.cleveland.com/sports/college_impact/photo/tom-arth-5eb5b9f558363312.jpg

Can anyone ID the Raider?

Huh?  Congrats on all your crazy awesome success, Tom.  Here's a picture of you getting folded up like a lawn chair. 

I don't understand this.  Seems petty, tbh. 

The Arth news reminds me of how fortunate we were that LK was content with staying in Alliance.    That fact is as remarkable as his winning percentage.

Unfortunately I think VK will be more like Arth and less like his old man. Which is fine, but we're spoiled.

I agree with you.  He needs to continue to be selective; but there will be an offer he just wouldn't be able to refuse. 

Agree with both of you.  The Mount Union connections are spreading like wildfire through D-I.  Seems inevitable that he'll try this out at some point.  Unless they go ahead and make him AD when Larry Kehres decides to retire.  But, much like the D3 lifer, I think we're kind of at the end of the dual coach/AD situation in college athletics as well.

Oh sorry. I thought I made it clear - but not clear enough for the NCAC:
1. I was looking for more on Arth (moving to UT-C and Manning pushing for him) and
2. came across this (i.e. the picture). I didn't know who the Raider was, so I asked
3. if anyone else did (as in other posters to the board).

Seriously? Petty would be if I posted it to Tom's Twitter page ('Hey Tom good thing you got outta dodge before you got folded up like a lawnchair....again') or if I had added 'Look Tom getting crushed, just like all his JCU players dreams just did'. Honestly Wally - sometimes a post is just a post and doesn't have any message behind it.

[Onward on, John Carroll]

The Arth news reminds me of how fortunate we were that LK was content with staying in Alliance.    That fact is as remarkable as his winning percentage.

We need to be mindful of the age difference between Arth and LK when they both became a hot commodity in the coaching circles.  Coach Arth is only 35.  LK was 45+ when the D1 overtures were first made to him.  It is easier to be content at an older age, especially when your children are entrenched in schools, you are becoming untouchable in your current job and you have spent 4+ decades in the City of Alliance without interruption.  Arth - while an alumnus and a Cleveland native - left the area and always seemed to be on the coaching fast track to bigger things.

Also, the money is a lot different now as opposed to then.  When KSU offered him $180K, he was probably making $90-100K at Mount.  Obviously a big raise.  Arth is being paid, we assume, $100K or so.  He is going to a school where the head coach made $250K last year, was offered $325K to stay and took a job within the same league making $375K+.  But I think the main factor financially is not necessarily this job's salary but the potential salary at the next job.  Again, he is getting on the track to very lucrative jobs.

It is this same reason why I think that VK will eventually start to listen to the offers (if he hasn't already) even if it means being a coordinator in the MAC.  It is not necessarily that the job he takes is better (it may not be) or that the pay is better (it will be) but, rather, it is the fact that he is getting on the "train" with the potential for a really big pay day in 3-7 years if the cards fall right. 

I firmly believe that if he economics had been in the late '90s what they are now, LK would have jumped ship and went to KSU if he could make 4 times his current salary.  I could be wrong but it seems likely.

[Dr. Acula]

Great info, OoJC.  Thanks for the history lesson.  +k

[Dr. Acula]

The Arth news reminds me of how fortunate we were that LK was content with staying in Alliance.    That fact is as remarkable as his winning percentage.

We need to be mindful of the age difference between Arth and LK when they both became a hot commodity in the coaching circles.  Coach Arth is only 35.  LK was 45+ when the D1 overtures were first made to him.  It is easier to be content at an older age, especially when you children are entrenched in schools, you are becoming untouchable in your current job and you have spent 4+ decades in the City of Alliance.  Arth - while an alumnus and a Cleveland native - left the area and always seemed to be on the coaching fast track to bigger things.

Also, the money is a lot different now as opposed to then.  When KSU offered him $180K, he was probably making $90-100K at Mount.  Obviously a big raise.  Arth is being paid, we assume, $100K or so.  He is going to a school where the head coach made $250K last year, was offered $325 to stay and took a job within the same league making $375K+.  But I think the main factor financially is not necessarily this job's salary but the potential salary at the next job. 

It is this same reason why I think that VK will eventually start to listen to the offers even if it means being a coordinator in the MAC.  It is not necessarily that the job he takes is better (it may not be) or that the pay is better (it will be) but, rather, it is the fact that he is getting on the "train" with the potential for a really big pay day in 3-7 years if the cards fall right. 

I firmly believe that if he economics had been in the late '90s what they are now, LK would have jumped ship and went to KSU if he could make 4 times his current salary.  I could be wrong but it seems likely.

This.  100% correct.  It's not UT-C, it's the stop after.  I will never blame a guy for betting on himself.  Not when life changing money is potentially on the line if you win.

As for VK, I wouldn't blame him in the least if he took (for example) the DC job at Toledo.  Candle is on the rise.  He's going to get a bigger job sooner rather than later.  If VK is there he would be in a position to 1) go with Candle and make big boy DC $, or 2) potentially be the HC at Toledo ($600k).