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Sherburne

Quote from: desertraider on October 15, 2017, 11:48:56 AM
Quote from: merlecanlas on October 15, 2017, 11:27:13 AM
haha, just say "Ebay"

Nemeth and Simon were tailbacks playing fullback, this new FB is listed at 5-11, 250!!!  Now that's a FB, and he was a big time wrestler in HS.  I love it, love it

Ibeh was the easy part of his name. Try the first name.
Quote from: desertraider on October 15, 2017, 11:48:56 AM
Quote from: merlecanlas on October 15, 2017, 11:27:13 AM
haha, just say "Ebay"

Nemeth and Simon were tailbacks playing fullback, this new FB is listed at 5-11, 250!!!  Now that's a FB, and he was a big time wrestler in HS.  I love it, love it

Ibeh was the easy part of his name. Try the first name.
Quote from: desertraider on October 15, 2017, 11:48:56 AM
Quote from: merlecanlas on October 15, 2017, 11:27:13 AM
haha, just say "Ebay"

Nemeth and Simon were tailbacks playing fullback, this new FB is listed at 5-11, 250!!!  Now that's a FB, and he was a big time wrestler in HS.  I love it, love it

Ibeh was the easy part of his name. Try the first name.
Kelechi, say Kell as in George Kell (Detroit Tigers and others), E as in E, chi as in Chi-Chi's Restaurant. Kell E  Chi

Desertraider

Ah but how I remember: kelli-key, kelli chi, kell-etchy...I know we know how to say it but the announcers made it fun. Sorry fotgot Joe Taits "Kell ecky"
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mr_mom

A more normal distribution of scores on the OAC Pick-Em this week.  By normal I mean usual; if you are a mathematician, it was actually bi-modal.   Mimicking his team from last night, BergAlum scored 13 points to squeeze by NCF and seadog2 to take Week 7 honors.

Not much change at the top with Raider68 and reality check still 1-2.

Week 8 spreads come out Monday night.
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Dr. Acula

Quote from: desertraider on October 15, 2017, 10:11:53 AM
Quote from: Dr. Acula on October 15, 2017, 09:49:18 AM
Quote from: desertraider on October 14, 2017, 08:58:36 PM
And now for my no holds bar assessment of today's Mount game, Mount in general, and Berg.

Today's game....what the crap do you say about a quintupple-dropkick-a$$ stomp? Using CAPs first 2 drives - they scored - and a few throughout the first half - Mount had trouble getting pressure early. Partly due to CAP using quick passing - slants, screens, outs - but even when first and second read were covered the QB had time. On the passing in the 1st qtr the DBs were giving too much separation and gave up some quick hitters over the middle. Is what it is and it was corrected.

For Mount today I will be critical. I know the RBs have averages of 7+ but what I don't see is an actual run game. Mount has NEVER won a National Championship without a game changer at RB. I see a few nice carries here and there and the deep ball. We all know that will take them to the Semis (most likely) but they need a legitimate run game. I have not seen Mount play a complete game (the competition has not required it) this season. I need to see if JEM can handle 20+ carries, or if JEM/Petro can haul 30+, mixed in with a pass game. Years past we saw that a few times before playoffs - its getting late and I don't see a need until jcu. Right now I see a team that has been limited (I know - odd choice of wording) to the pass. One dimensional doesn't finish on top.

I have to disagree with this.  I can think of at least 4 of the title teams that lacked a game changing RB.  The problem is I don't think the 2017 has the other attributes that allowed those 4 teams to get by without one.  Not to sound like HScoach over the years, but it really does come down to line play.  If their O line can control the LOS and their D line can get pressure they will be fine.  The problem is that it sure looks like we aren't going to find out the answers to those questions until probably the regional finals.  I won't say the OAC is down because that implies the whole conference is.  It's more like this year everyone is bunched toward the middle.  The bottom teams are better, but the top teams aside from Mount are not as good.  End result being that I don't have high hopes for a true test in the regular season.     

4 teams? Gresko, Moore, Pugh, Kmic, Simon (between tackles my friends), Nemeth account for less see carry the one...486 championships (math never was my thing)...where are the 4? BTW - I agree on the line comments though.

96, 97, 98 and 2012.  None of those teams had a game changing RB.  96-97 had Borchert so they didn't need one.  98 was, let's be honest, a team that had no business winning a title and was IMO the best coaching job of LK's storied career. 

Desertraider

96 I'll give ya - Mount didn't have a single back over 500 yds. 97 had Lantos, Evans and Gorius (all over 500 yds), and 98 had Gorius, Hassey and Moore. I would counter that Fulford - while really good - ain't Bill Borchert. 97 and 98 teams had the ability to run between tackles and change the game. Look I am not talking game breakers going off for 250 - guys who consistently can get 5, 6, 7 yards bewteen the tackles and change the game from a track meet to a meat grinder. Oh - and 2012 had Simon who could do that as I stated previosly.

And I agree that the 98 team was a dream season and the finest coaching job by LK....it also had Jason Hall. His stats from that year are what most guys consider a great career. 174 tackles, 17 tackles for loss, 6 sacks, 3 forced fumbles, 12 pass break ups, and 2 ints. Numbers that no Mount guy will put together anytime soon.
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raiderpa

If the injury to Vidal is serious, this is a MAJOR loss for the Mount D.  He is an All American calibre game changer and would be a huge hole which could not be filled.  Anyone replacing him would IMO be 75 percent of his talent, at best.

I am not sold yet on running game, but JEM is definitely running harder since being challenged by Josh the Hurdler.

Fulford has shown amazing touch on long ball and when given time finds 2nd and 3rd options very well. Mount's receiving corp, minus the TE, have the best hands I have seen since I began watching them in '73. They have to get a TE to hold onto ball as that position has been a big target in the playoffs.  The current guy has Roberto Duran "hands of stone"

Kicking game is an asset.  High percentage of touchbacks on KO and range to 40-45 yards on FGs.  Punter is above average, but must get stiff during games just standing there.


Desertraider

Quote from: raiderpa on October 15, 2017, 07:30:19 PM
If the injury to Vidal is serious, this is a MAJOR loss for the Mount D.  He is an All American calibre game changer and would be a huge hole which could not be filled.  Anyone replacing him would IMO be 75 percent of his talent, at best.

I am not sold yet on running game, but JEM is definitely running harder since being challenged by Josh the Hurdler.

Fulford has shown amazing touch on long ball and when given time finds 2nd and 3rd options very well. Mount's receiving corp, minus the TE, have the best hands I have seen since I began watching them in '73. They have to get a TE to hold onto ball as that position has been a big target in the playoffs.  The current guy has Roberto Duran "hands of stone"

Kicking game is an asset.  High percentage of touchbacks on KO and range to 40-45 yards on FGs.  Punter is above average, but must get stiff during games just standing there.

Depending on seriousness of Vidals injury he has a few weeks to heal up. I have not heard anything. Anyone else? Dr. A?
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Craft_Beermeister

According to FootballPrespective.com Mount Union is the only team in all of college football through this weekend to handed every opponent its worse loss of the season.

Desertraider

Quote from: Craft_Beermeister on October 15, 2017, 07:53:26 PM
According to FootballPrespective.com Mount Union is the only team in all of college football through this weekend to handed every opponent its worse loss of the season.

Can't be true. According to Bergs coach...Berg handed Berg its worst defeat. 8-)

I guess it makes Wilmington the big test..I mean jcu hammered them. Mount's gonna need more than a 58 pt win...caling it at 66-3.
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Desertraider

Quote from: Craft_Beermeister on October 15, 2017, 07:53:26 PM
According to FootballPrespective.com Mount Union is the only team in all of college football through this weekend to handed every opponent its worse loss of the season.

Have a link for this? Can't find it.
RIP MUC57 - Go Everybody!
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The Autumn Wind is a Raider!! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pzEYK_XjyLg
Immaculate Prevention: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eZLq_acsVN0

WRMUalum13

Quote from: desertraider on October 15, 2017, 08:46:53 PM
Quote from: Craft_Beermeister on October 15, 2017, 07:53:26 PM
According to FootballPrespective.com Mount Union is the only team in all of college football through this weekend to handed every opponent its worse loss of the season.

Have a link for this? Can't find it.

It was on Twitter: https://twitter.com/fbgchase/status/919594398698102789

Dr. Acula

Quote from: desertraider on October 15, 2017, 07:37:14 PM
Quote from: raiderpa on October 15, 2017, 07:30:19 PM
If the injury to Vidal is serious, this is a MAJOR loss for the Mount D.  He is an All American calibre game changer and would be a huge hole which could not be filled.  Anyone replacing him would IMO be 75 percent of his talent, at best.

I am not sold yet on running game, but JEM is definitely running harder since being challenged by Josh the Hurdler.

Fulford has shown amazing touch on long ball and when given time finds 2nd and 3rd options very well. Mount's receiving corp, minus the TE, have the best hands I have seen since I began watching them in '73. They have to get a TE to hold onto ball as that position has been a big target in the playoffs.  The current guy has Roberto Duran "hands of stone"

Kicking game is an asset.  High percentage of touchbacks on KO and range to 40-45 yards on FGs.  Punter is above average, but must get stiff during games just standing there.

Depending on seriousness of Vidals injury he has a few weeks to heal up. I have not heard anything. Anyone else? Dr. A?

I've heard nothing.  I didn't even know he went down as I didn't get to watch the game live thanks to the looming tax deadline tomorrow.  If he is out for any major length of time that's a huge issue though.  The D line is adequate, but not great.  If you remove him it's not so adequate when you run into the top level teams. 

Dr. Acula

Quote from: desertraider on October 15, 2017, 03:41:57 PM
96 I'll give ya - Mount didn't have a single back over 500 yds. 97 had Lantos, Evans and Gorius (all over 500 yds), and 98 had Gorius, Hassey and Moore. I would counter that Fulford - while really good - ain't Bill Borchert. 97 and 98 teams had the ability to run between tackles and change the game. Look I am not talking game breakers going off for 250 - guys who consistently can get 5, 6, 7 yards bewteen the tackles and change the game from a track meet to a meat grinder. Oh - and 2012 had Simon who could do that as I stated previosly.

And I agree that the 98 team was a dream season and the finest coaching job by LK....it also had Jason Hall. His stats from that year are what most guys consider a great career. 174 tackles, 17 tackles for loss, 6 sacks, 3 forced fumbles, 12 pass break ups, and 2 ints. Numbers that no Mount guy will put together anytime soon.

I was getting caught up in semantics here.  Those teams I mentioned did not have a game changer, but if you meant a power runner that could grind out yards between the tackles then I see your point.  Gorius was a powerful runner, but never a star.  Same with Simon.  But they could move the chains.  I think Petro could grow into that and a lot more.  He's already 200 lbs and initiates contact.  The question is can he be that guy this year?  I'm more bullish on the RB's than some I guess.  JEM and Petro have both been running hard.  Not much dancing which I know drove some folks crazy with Mitchell.  These two get the ball, make a cut and go.       

merlecanlas

#52288
I know it's just Capital, but Matt Garcia looks like a pretty good shifty runner for a freshman.  have the STO replay on in the background while I "work"


Fulford has a 256.6 passer rating??? Baker Mayfield is barely within 50 points for the next closest QB in all divisions.  Not bad for a soph, a little different than last year huh?

Ohsaa13

I know the stats for Fuhlford look great on paper however, have any of you been watching replays of the game or film at all?  He continually throws into double coverage with receivers wide open underneath.  Perfect example was this past weekend when he forced a long ball to Hill (3rd time this year). The play ended up being PI but there was a receiver wide open down the seam underneath.  Any other team this was an interception. Against Heidelberg someone made the comment "did you see that throw to Hill in the corner of the end zone?"  Did you I ask?  Both defenders literally stood there and watched Hill catch the ball.  All they had to do was stretch out their arms and either one would have knocked it down. They move their feet it's an interception.  The kid has incredible talent to throw the ball and run.  Please do not make the mistake he can read a defense. He is throwing where he is told to and when he needs to find another option he finds an open receiver as they are these receivers are always open.  You can say you worry about the RBs, the line, the secondary...this QB worries me once we play a team with a real secondary.