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[formerd3db]

The Right Reverend of all things St. Thomas clearly thinks St Thomas is holier than thou and is on a higher academic plane than Mount Union.  Facts are he is wrong and the ACT score average, 25 percentile and 75 percentile are all within 1 point of each for UMU and STU.

Either they're teaching fuzzy math at Mount Union or you're making this stuff up. The 25%/75% ACT scores are as follows:

Mount Union: 20/26
St. Thomas: 24/29

Source: https://www.collegedata.com

Neither comes close to Mount's opponent this week.

UMU''s opponents over the first 2 weeks have come from the top tier of D3 academic football playing schools. If UMU and W&J win, UMU will have faced a slew of schools that would be able to use the old Vanderbilt and Northwestern chants.

LOL @ that sign.

Yeah the nerds are coming to town this week for Mount: http://wksu.org/post/view-pluto-case-western-reserve-students-are-excelling-atfootball

The Right Reverend of all things St. Thomas clearly thinks St Thomas is holier than thou and is on a higher academic plane than Mount Union.  Facts are he is wrong and the ACT score average, 25 percentile and 75 percentile are all within 1 point of each for UMU and STU.

Either they're teaching fuzzy math at Mount Union or you're making this stuff up. The 25%/75% ACT scores are as follows:

Mount Union: 20/26
St. Thomas: 24/29

Source: https://www.collegedata.com

Neither comes close to Mount's opponent this week.

UMU''s opponents over the first 2 weeks have come from the top tier of D3 academic football playing schools. If UMU and W&J win, UMU will have faced a slew of schools that would be able to use the old Vanderbilt and Northwestern chants.

Hilarious guys!  Love the sign and quotes (both in the sign and your post).  It is great to be able to have some levity here on the boards even among some of the more serious debates!

P.S. I think I will make a copy of that sign and use it at one of our games next fall!!!

[raiderpa]

Time to get past the Fulford story.  Bottom line, IMO, the University had no knowledge of the issue as it was a juvenile record.  As an alum, I was surprised he played, but when the explanation of: this happened two years ago, did not affect Mount Union, and he has been a good student/citizen at Mount, so he plays, I accepted but reservedly. End of story for me. I'm moving on to Case.

Any update on the kid from W/L that appeared to break his ankle?  A true shame, I believe he was a senior and it occurred in the final game of his career.

Arguments over ACT's seem akin to comparing one's manhood: Doesn't really matter, one must uses his gifts properly, to its greatest capability, and to his own satisfaction.  I guess the when asked  the question about my ACT:  Who are you going to satisfy with that??  I answered....ME.

Congrats to all the winners, Saturday.  I never in my wildest dreams thought Witt would lose, let alone get hammered.

[merlecanlas]

Time to get past the Fulford story.  Bottom line, IMO, the University had no knowledge of the issue as it was a juvenile record.  As an alum, I was surprised he played, but when the explanation of: this happened two years ago, did not affect Mount Union, and he has been a good student/citizen at Mount, so he plays, I accepted but reservedly. End of story for me. I'm moving on to Case.

Any update on the kid from W/L that appeared to break his ankle?  A true shame, I believe he was a senior and it occurred in the final game of his career.

Arguments over ACT's seem akin to comparing one's manhood: Doesn't really matter, one must uses his gifts properly, to its greatest capability, and to his own satisfaction.  I guess the when asked  the question about my ACT:  Who are you going to satisfy with that??  I answered....ME.

Congrats to all the winners, Saturday.  I never in my wildest dreams thought Witt would lose, let alone get hammered.

I was standing over by the ambulance when they brought him over.  He had a big boot on his right (?) leg and was holding his right arm up, like a shoulder injury.  Hope the kid is alright

[wally_wabash]

Time to get past the Fulford story. 

Best of luck with that.  The highest profile player playing the highest profile position at the highest profile school in the Division (by light years) being on the field with all of the extra stuff going on off the field is a story every day of every week until Mount Union is out of the tournament or wins it.  That's just the way this is gonna go for the next four weeks.   

[formerd3db]

Well said, raiderpa.  While those tests are used for what they are, no test ever entirely measures the true talent and knowledge of anyone.  In the end, once a person becomes entrenched in their chosen career when they get to that point, who cares what one's test score was "way back when?"  Heck, I don't even remember my scores from then-nor do I care!  Some of us have had that debate in the medical field.  Having been a member of an orthopedic surgery residency committee, I've seen some candidates with extremely high test scores who, unfortunately, just won't/can't make it otherwise for a number of other just as important reasons. 

Those ACT/SAT scores are all "relative".  Some people just do better on standard testing.  The bottom line is that these young people just have to do the best they can and have a decent competitive score, enough for them to be considered for admission at the school(s) they are applying to (and, by that, please know that I am NOT saying or implying they should only give effort enough to just get by. )     

[merlecanlas]

Time to get past the Fulford story. 

Best of luck with that.  The highest profile player playing the highest profile position at the highest profile school in the Division (by light years) being on the field with all of the extra stuff going on off the field is a story every day of every week until Mount Union is out of the tournament or wins it.  That's just the way this is gonna go for the next four weeks.

If anything, it brought the team closer together.  Fulford led the team out on Saturday.  Last year's road warriors + this Fulford BS and you have a team that is pretty close and is embracing the "Us vs everyone else" mentality. 

this young Mount team is growing up very quickly over the past couple of weeks, and that should scare the rest of D3. 

Can we please have no rain for the next game?  rough year weather-wise in Alliance this year

[wally_wabash]

Time to get past the Fulford story. 

Best of luck with that.  The highest profile player playing the highest profile position at the highest profile school in the Division (by light years) being on the field with all of the extra stuff going on off the field is a story every day of every week until Mount Union is out of the tournament or wins it.  That's just the way this is gonna go for the next four weeks.

If anything, it brought the team closer together.  Fulford led the team out on Saturday.  Last year's road warriors + this Fulford BS and you have a team that is pretty close and is embracing the "Us vs everyone else" mentality. 

Never a bad time for manufacturing a good ol' nobody-believed-in-us rallying point, no matter how ludicrous it might be. 

[edward de vere]

Time to get past the Fulford story. 

Best of luck with that.  The highest profile player playing the highest profile position at the highest profile school in the Division (by light years) being on the field with all of the extra stuff going on off the field is a story every day of every week until Mount Union is out of the tournament or wins it.  That's just the way this is gonna go for the next four weeks.

I'll be very disappointed if there isn't a statement this week from the head coach, athletic director &/or president telling us as much as possible without prejudicing legal proceedings or violating privacy rules.  In my opinion, everybody, including Fulford, deserves that.

[Dr. Acula]

Looking at the All-OAC teams...am I the only person it bugs to have HALF of the conference's QBs on either 1st or 2nd team??  Fulford and Stepp 1st, Wibbeler, Stoyle and Creditt all 2nd.  I know it's tough, but pick someone.  I think each team gets 2 HM spots so if your guy isn't picked make him HM.  And this goes for co-special award winners too.  Hill and Magee shared best WR.  I'll tell you what, give it to Magee as a senior who led the OAC in receiving and tell Hill go leave no doubt next year.  Sorry for the rant.  Now get the heck off my lawn!

[edward de vere]

Well said, raiderpa.  While those tests are used for what they are, no test ever entirely measures the true talent and knowledge of anyone.  In the end, once a person becomes entrenched in their chosen career when they get to that point, who cares what one's test score was "way back when?"  Heck, I don't even remember my scores from then-nor do I care!  Some of us have had that debate in the medical field.  Having been a member of an orthopedic surgery residency committee, I've seen some candidates with extremely high test scores who, unfortunately, just won't/can't make it otherwise for a number of other just as important reasons. 

Those ACT/SAT scores are all "relative".  Some people just do better on standard testing.  The bottom line is that these young people just have to do the best they can and have a decent competitive score, enough for them to be considered for admission at the school(s) they are applying to (and, by that, please know that I am NOT saying or implying they should only give effort enough to just get by. )     

There's intelligence, there's education and there's wisdom.  From my observations, there's precious little correlation among the three.

[edward de vere]

Looking at the All-OAC teams...am I the only person it bugs to have HALF of the conference's QBs on either 1st or 2nd team??  Fulford and Stepp 1st, Wibbeler, Stoyle and Creditt all 2nd.  I know it's tough, but pick someone.  I think each team gets 2 HM spots so if your guy isn't picked make him HM.  And this goes for co-special award winners too.  Hill and Magee shared best WR.  I'll tell you what, give it to Magee as a senior who led the OAC in receiving and tell Hill go leave no doubt next year.  Sorry for the rant.  Now get the heck off my lawn!

Everybody gets a ribbon.

[joelmama]

The Right Reverend of all things St. Thomas clearly thinks St Thomas is holier than thou and is on a higher academic plane than Mount Union.  Facts are he is wrong and the ACT score average, 25 percentile and 75 percentile are all within 1 point of each for UMU and STU.

Either they're teaching fuzzy math at Mount Union or you're making this stuff up. The 25%/75% ACT scores are as follows:

Mount Union: 20/26
St. Thomas: 24/29

Source: https://www.collegedata.com

looks like your data is better than mine.  I used a rankings site that was using 2014 scores and it was 22-23 25-26 etc.

[merlecanlas]

Time to get past the Fulford story. 

Best of luck with that.  The highest profile player playing the highest profile position at the highest profile school in the Division (by light years) being on the field with all of the extra stuff going on off the field is a story every day of every week until Mount Union is out of the tournament or wins it.  That's just the way this is gonna go for the next four weeks.

I'll be very disappointed if there isn't a statement this week from the head coach, athletic director &/or president telling us as much as possible without prejudicing legal proceedings or violating privacy rules.  In my opinion, everybody, including Fulford, deserves that.

Mount already made a statement. 

This is a case of missing a court date, bad decision- 100%, but the people trying to throw Fulford in prison are a little over the line.  Nobody knows what legal advice that Fulford received as a juvenile in FL nor do we know what kind of homelife he came from.  Fulford will go to court in FL once Mount wins the Stagg Bowl and he will be hit with a fine.  I hope the D3 world can get over it a little bit at that point, there will be no pound of flesh coming from the Raiders QB, and it's time to move on.

I can't imagine what these boards would have looked like if other teams' players with legal trouble would have been Purple Raiders

[wally_wabash]

Easy, tiger.  I don't think anybody is "trying to throw Fulford in prison."  I think people have, rightfully, expressed concern about having him play while he's got some kind of charge lingering around.  Whether you think it's much ado about nothing or not, it's a bad look for Mount Union and Mount Union's brand.  I'm not a hater- I'm genuinely indifferent to the results of Mount Union football games.  But that is the perception.  It's a bad look and the university's "statement" did nothing to change that look. 

And it's not about the school having his back or not.  Wheaton the institution clearly supports their players that got charged in September, yet still took them off the field, probably to the detriment of their season because some stuff is more important than a game of football.  It looks like Mount Union won't do the same.  And, quite frankly, not doing so taints some of the Kehres family righteousness that you use as your own chest-thumping currency around here.  That's how it looks from my neutral perch.   

[HScoach]

Time to get past the Fulford story. 

Best of luck with that.  The highest profile player playing the highest profile position at the highest profile school in the Division (by light years) being on the field with all of the extra stuff going on off the field is a story every day of every week until Mount Union is out of the tournament or wins it.  That's just the way this is gonna go for the next four weeks.

And this is exactly why I wouldn't have played him last week!   Personally, I have a hard time accepting that he's playing at all, but it's not my team to run.     Mount is already hated for being great with the assumption that LK had to be cheating all those years for him to win so much.  Which we all know to be false, but why give the rest of D3 the platform to throw mud on the castle that LK built?  Being on top means more attention, which means being squeaky clean is the only way to go.  Sometimes to the point of overkill.

If there is nothing to the story beyond a missed court appearance, all of this could have all been defused by simply suspending him immediately, playing W&L with Skunks_Sidekick or MUC57 at QB, then reinstating him for Round 2 after a 'thorough internal investigation turned up nothing of note'.   When Mount came out with their statement so quickly it makes it look like they didn't care.   Whether there is any fire behind the smoke or not.   Heading into Round 1 against an over matched opponent would have made a very easy way to look tough without any ramifications.   Mount should have taken the typical D1 route of sitting the guy against a nobody and then conveniently reinstating him when they needed him.