FB: Ohio Athletic Conference

[JCUStreaks70]

Kent would be satisfied with a .500 recored year in and year out, but as long as they keep scheduling the BIG10 and the like they will always have 8 games to win 6...not happening.

The point is they are bad. Has always been the armpit of Ohio football. Will probably continue that tradition well into the future. The coach that can turn that program around would instantly be a nominee for the College Football Hall of Fame, no waiting period for consideration.

Kent State = Eastern Michigan

IMO, the MAC teams really should be classified as FCS, not FBS.

I respectfully disagree with the MAC. Yes, there are some definite bottom feeders, but NIU has been able to compete against the B1G 10.. They're 5-4 this decade against them.

[USTBench]

Kent would be satisfied with a .500 recored year in and year out, but as long as they keep scheduling the BIG10 and the like they will always have 8 games to win 6...not happening.

The point is they are bad. Has always been the armpit of Ohio football. Will probably continue that tradition well into the future. The coach that can turn that program around would instantly be a nominee for the College Football Hall of Fame, no waiting period for consideration.

Kent State = Eastern Michigan

IMO, the MAC teams really should be classified as FCS, not FBS.

I respectfully disagree with the MAC. Yes, there are some definite bottom feeders, but NIU has been able to compete against the B1G 10.. They're 5-4 this decade against them.

I think NIU is the exception when considering the MAC. Even if NIU goes 12-0, wins the MAC title, and has a marquee win against a Power 5 opponent, they're still on the outside looking in when it comes to an FBS title shot. So what's the point? The honor of losing 35 - 14 to Wisconsin in the Orange Bowl? When I look at the recent defectors from FCS (Appalachian State, Georgia Southern, Coastal Carolina) I really don't see the purpose. FCS provides national exposure throughout the playoffs, everyone is eligible to compete for a national title (unless you choose to play in the Ivy League or SWAC) you play plenty of teams with NFL talent, and it's not that far fetched to make the NFL from that level. What's the payoff of going FBS unless you're drawing 40,000 people a game? Marshall was a perennial 1-AA contender and received a ton more national recognition than they do now as a middling MAC team.

Montana and Montana State sat back and watched Idaho make this mistake, and have made the right choice, still managing to attract 20,000+ to every home game and regularly selling out.  If NDSU jumped to the MAC that wouldn't do them any good in terms of brand recognition, despite beating (I think) their last 7 FBS opponents.

IMO about half of the FBS, and ESPECIALLY the MAC and Sun Belt should compete in the FCS level. You'd probably see a new national champion every year.

[dlippiel]

Kent would be satisfied with a .500 recored year in and year out, but as long as they keep scheduling the BIG10 and the like they will always have 8 games to win 6...not happening.

The point is they are bad. Has always been the armpit of Ohio football. Will probably continue that tradition well into the future. The coach that can turn that program around would instantly be a nominee for the College Football Hall of Fame, no waiting period for consideration.

Kent State = Eastern Michigan

IMO, the MAC teams really should be classified as FCS, not FBS.

I respectfully disagree with the MAC. Yes, there are some definite bottom feeders, but NIU has been able to compete against the B1G 10.. They're 5-4 this decade against them.

I think NIU is the exception when considering the MAC. Even if NIU goes 12-0, wins the MAC title, and has a marquee win against a Power 5 opponent, they're still on the outside looking in when it comes to an FBS title shot. So what's the point? The honor of losing 35 - 14 to Wisconsin in the Orange Bowl? When I look at the recent defectors from FCS (Appalachian State, Georgia Southern, Coastal Carolina) I really don't see the purpose. FCS provides national exposure throughout the playoffs, everyone is eligible to compete for a national title (unless you choose to play in the Ivy League or SWAC) you play plenty of teams with NFL talent, and it's not that far fetched to make the NFL from that level. What's the payoff of going FBS unless you're drawing 40,000 people a game? Marshall was a perennial 1-AA contender and received a ton more national recognition than they do now as a middling MAC team.

Montana and Montana State sat back and watched Idaho make this mistake, and have made the right choice, still managing to attract 20,000+ to every home game and regularly selling out.  If NDSU jumped to the MAC that wouldn't do them any good in terms of brand recognition, despite beating (I think) their last 7 FBS opponents.

IMO about half of the FBS, and ESPECIALLY the MAC and Sun Belt should compete in the FCS level. You'd probably see a new national champion every year.

Perfect example USTBench.

[dlippiel]

By the way, best of luck to UMU tonight! dlip is hoping for a very competitive and injury free game for both teams. dlip, since the mid 90's dlip has just been in constant awe of UMU as a whole. Also the respectfulness of their fans is very impressive. Best of luck!

[JCUStreaks70]

Kent would be satisfied with a .500 recored year in and year out, but as long as they keep scheduling the BIG10 and the like they will always have 8 games to win 6...not happening.

The point is they are bad. Has always been the armpit of Ohio football. Will probably continue that tradition well into the future. The coach that can turn that program around would instantly be a nominee for the College Football Hall of Fame, no waiting period for consideration.

Kent State = Eastern Michigan

IMO, the MAC teams really should be classified as FCS, not FBS.

I respectfully disagree with the MAC. Yes, there are some definite bottom feeders, but NIU has been able to compete against the B1G 10.. They're 5-4 this decade against them.

I think NIU is the exception when considering the MAC. Even if NIU goes 12-0, wins the MAC title, and has a marquee win against a Power 5 opponent, they're still on the outside looking in when it comes to an FBS title shot. So what's the point? The honor of losing 35 - 14 to Wisconsin in the Orange Bowl? When I look at the recent defectors from FCS (Appalachian State, Georgia Southern, Coastal Carolina) I really don't see the purpose. FCS provides national exposure throughout the playoffs, everyone is eligible to compete for a national title (unless you choose to play in the Ivy League or SWAC) you play plenty of teams with NFL talent, and it's not that far fetched to make the NFL from that level. What's the payoff of going FBS unless you're drawing 40,000 people a game? Marshall was a perennial 1-AA contender and received a ton more national recognition than they do now as a middling MAC team.

Montana and Montana State sat back and watched Idaho make this mistake, and have made the right choice, still managing to attract 20,000+ to every home game and regularly selling out.  If NDSU jumped to the MAC that wouldn't do them any good in terms of brand recognition, despite beating (I think) their last 7 FBS opponents.

IMO about half of the FBS, and ESPECIALLY the MAC and Sun Belt should compete in the FCS level. You'd probably see a new national champion every year.

Perfect example USTBench.

Please don't get me wrong, I absolutely agree... I have never understood why anyone would enjoy playing in one of the "Group of 5" conferences.. They are the only group of teams, in any sport, across any level, where at the beginning of the year, they do not have an actual feasible shot to win the National Championship.. Even if NIU goes 13-0 and wins the MAC, the committee wouldn't put them in the Playoffs.

If I had had scholarship talent (which I did not) I would've preferred playing for a Montana or ND St. where there is an actual route to a championship than playing for a GO5 team.

[Kira & Jaxon's Dad]

D1-FBS is only division to offer FULL Football scholarships.

D1-FCS to D2 offer partial.

Go to a Non-Power 5 FBS school and get 100% of your education payed for. Go to lower division and have to pay part of it yourself.

[USTBench]

D1-FBS is only division to offer FULL Football scholarships.

D1-FCS to D2 offer partial.

Go to a Non-Power 5 FBS school and get 100% of your education payed for. Go to lower division and have to pay part of it yourself.

FCS can offer equivalent aid of 63 full scholarships. UND, NDSU, USD and SDSU also offer cost of attendance.

Marquee players at FCS programs have little to worry about.

[WRMUalum13]

D1-FBS is only division to offer FULL Football scholarships.

D1-FCS to D2 offer partial.

Go to a Non-Power 5 FBS school and get 100% of your education payed for. Go to lower division and have to pay part of it yourself.

FCS can offer equivalent aid of 63 full scholarships. UND, NDSU, USD and SDSU also offer cost of attendance.

Marquee players at FCS programs have little to worry about.

Yes, FCS can absolutely offer full scholarships! Just less of them. I'm a big YSU fan and I agree that FCS is more interesting than group of 5, who cares if you can play in the capital 1
Bowl when you could potentially have a playoff run.

[AO]

D1-FBS is only division to offer FULL Football scholarships.

D1-FCS to D2 offer partial.

Go to a Non-Power 5 FBS school and get 100% of your education payed for. Go to lower division and have to pay part of it yourself.

FCS can offer equivalent aid of 63 full scholarships. UND, NDSU, USD and SDSU also offer cost of attendance.

Marquee players at FCS programs have little to worry about.

Yes, FCS can absolutely offer full scholarships! Just less of them

From what I've read previously, most of the FCS football scholarships are full scholarships.  They're not stretching those 63 scholarships among 120 players.  They're giving partial scholarships to 25 players and full scholarships to 50 players.

[Small but Slow]

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From what I've read previously, most of the FCS football scholarships are full scholarships.  They're not stretching those 63 scholarships among 120 players.  They're giving partial scholarships to 25 players and full scholarships to 50 players.
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FCS schools also use academic and need based grants creatively to make up the difference for those receiving partial athletic scholarships.

[WRMUalum13]

Was reading an article about D'Angelo Fulford from Cleveland.com and just had to share this Gem of coach speak taken straight from the John Madden book of stating the obvious:

"With being a dual threat, Fulford puts a lot of pressure on the defense," said Baldwin Wallace coach Jim Hilvert. "He not only hurts you with his strong arm but has the ability to escape trouble with his legs. "

Thanks coach, always wanted someone to unpack the complicated concept of "dual threat"

[joelmama]

The point is they are bad. Has always been the armpit of Ohio football. Will probably continue that tradition well into the future. The coach that can turn that program around would instantly be a nominee for the College Football Hall of Fame, no waiting period for consideration.

Thqat is not true.  They have had a few periods where they were pretty good.  Back in the day Jack Lambert was an animal and they were sending almost as many linebackers to the NFL as Penn State.

[joelmama]

Kent would be satisfied with a .500 recored year in and year out, but as long as they keep scheduling the BIG10 and the like they will always have 8 games to win 6...not happening.

The point is they are bad. Has always been the armpit of Ohio football. Will probably continue that tradition well into the future. The coach that can turn that program around would instantly be a nominee for the College Football Hall of Fame, no waiting period for consideration.

Kent State = Eastern Michigan

IMO, the MAC teams really should be classified as FCS, not FBS.

I respectfully disagree with the MAC. Yes, there are some definite bottom feeders, but NIU has been able to compete against the B1G 10.. They're 5-4 this decade against them.

And then there is Toledo.

[JCUStreaks70]

Was reading an article about D'Angelo Fulford from Cleveland.com and just had to share this Gem of coach speak taken straight from the John Madden book of stating the obvious:

"With being a dual threat, Fulford puts a lot of pressure on the defense," said Baldwin Wallace coach Jim Hilvert. "He not only hurts you with his strong arm but has the ability to escape trouble with his legs. "

Thanks coach, always wanted someone to unpack the complicated concept of "dual threat"

That's the most BW quote I've seen in a long time... 

Let's not forget these are the people who have self proclaimed themselves as "one of the best in all of college football."

I believe it used to be "both proven and fact based" but I guess they thought maybe they aren't....

[WRMUalum13]

According to d3fbs twitter Charlie dear is not playing tonight. Anyone know why?