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[wally_wabash]

Luke Poorman has announced his new school:   https://twitter.com/LukePoorman10/status/982275709576990721

The University of Mary Hardin Baylor

UMHB wins it last year if Poorman was playing.  Easily.

That wind was such an equalizer in the pass game that I don't know about easily...but I think I agree that UMHB could/would have won the game with a top level passer.  Not a knock on Carl Robinson, but it seemed clear early in the game that they weren't taking any risks with him and instead putting the whole enchilada on the defense or specials to get a score or a very short field for the offense.

[merlecanlas]

[HScoach]

Horrible QB from MHB was the difference.   Wind or not, the kid pissed down his leg. Held the ball, couldn't make a decision.   Decent QB play would gave won them the game.  The Mount defense played well, but it was as more about the QB than it was about the pass rush.  Go back and look how many times Mount was in his face before he could even set his feet.  It wasn't often.  Most of the pressure was delayed because he couldn't pull the trigger.

[WRMUalum13]

HScoach

Huh?

Playing for UMHB he meant.

[WRMUalum13]

Horrible QB from MHB was the difference.   Wind or not, the kid pissed down his leg. Held the ball, couldn't make a decision.   Decent QB play would gave won them the game.  The Mount defense played well, but it was as more about the QB than it was about the pass rush.  Go back and look how many times Mount was in his face before he could even set his feet.  It wasn't often.  Most of the pressure was delayed because he couldn't pull the trigger.

Also coverage was good, you have to give the Mount d some credit, it's not like St Thomas shut UMHB out.

[emma17]

Not so sure I see it as clearly as HS Coach on this one. The game I watched, a few times (especially the TD that wasn't a lucky tip  ), featured a MT D line that made the MHB O line look grossly ill-conditioned and out of shape, especially in the fourth quarter.
I do acknowledge momentum/attitude may have had something to do with that too. If Poorman was the MHB QB and led them on a couple scoring drives early in the game, O line attitudes likely would have been different in the fourth quarter.

[umhb2001]

Not so sure I see it as clearly as HS Coach on this one. The game I watched, a few times (especially the TD that wasn't a lucky tip  ), featured a MT D line that made the MHB O line look grossly ill-conditioned and out of shape, especially in the fourth quarter.
I do acknowledge momentum/attitude may have had something to do with that too. If Poorman was the MHB QB and led them on a couple scoring drives early in the game, O line attitudes likely would have been different in the fourth quarter.

We were playing with a QB whose number was 33. He was not expected to be part of the solution last year. Our Oline, while good, I'll agree, it was not great. That has been a trend for us the last couple of years.

One big play was the "swinging leg" roughing the kicker. No, our guy should not have been that close with the type of returner we had, but you can see an unnatural trajectory of the punter's leg. A TD there and a QB that could have made some plays would have made a difference. I won't say that it would have caused us to win easily. Secondly, our safety on that play was a backup because the starter, who was pretty good, was held out of the game for breaking team rules that week, so there's that.

UMU won the game and deserved to win as they played better. End of story. They made the plays when they had to just like we did in the semifinal game.

[BillyRayJimBob]

Luke Poorman has announced his new school:   https://twitter.com/LukePoorman10/status/982275709576990721

The University of Mary Hardin Baylor

UMHB wins it last year if Poorman was playing.  Easily.

But what if Spartacus had a Piper Cub???

Which one is HScoach ... Statler or Waldorf?

[Desertraider]

I think Carl did what Carl did against everybody he faced. He just hadn't faced Mount yet and it didn't work. Mount had more defensive speed than what UMHB had faced. Not a knock on Carl - he is a good QB - but other teams had to spread their defense out to account for the speed of Carl and that WR (sorry - not as old as some but can't remember his name). It opened up the lanes and allowed that big back to get going (the ESPN crew kept saying "when he gets going") but it didn't work against Mount. They could account for the speed in their regular defense and still plug the run lanes. It wasn't Carl...it was Mount. UMHB's lack of creativity in play calling didn't help him either. I mean be honest - did anyone who watched not know what was coming by the middle of first quarter? Even the announcers said several times that Mount seemed to know what was coming before the play started.

In other words....I don't see Luke being the difference maker in that game for UMHB. They couldn't get open deep with their speed, couldn't get to the outside on the stretch, and couldn't overpower the middle. Maybe it would not have been 12-0...but it would still be #13 for the Purple Raiders.

I wish Poorman luck, I really do. Tossing 300 yds and 6 TDs against Frostburg State was incredible - we'll see how he does when he faces Mount.

[MUC57]

desertraider

I agree totally. Score might not have been 12-0, but would still be no. 13 for the Raiders.
Poorman will give other teams fits. He's a standout QB. And I have a feeling he will face his old team.
Good analysis, desertraider, as always! ☠🏈🇷🇴

[WRMUalum13]

I think Carl did what Carl did against everybody he faced. He just hadn't faced Mount yet and it didn't work. Mount had more defensive speed than what UMHB had faced. Not a knock on Carl - he is a good QB - but other teams had to spread their defense out to account for the speed of Carl and that WR (sorry - not as old as some but can't remember his name). It opened up the lanes and allowed that big back to get going (the ESPN crew kept saying "when he gets going") but it didn't work against Mount. They could account for the speed in their regular defense and still plug the run lanes. It wasn't Carl...it was Mount. UMHB's lack of creativity in play calling didn't help him either. I mean be honest - did anyone who watched not know what was coming by the middle of first quarter? Even the announcers said several times that Mount seemed to know what was coming before the play started.

In other words....I don't see Luke being the difference maker in that game for UMHB. They couldn't get open deep with their speed, couldn't get to the outside on the stretch, and couldn't overpower the middle. Maybe it would not have been 12-0...but it would still be #13 for the Purple Raiders.

I wish Poorman luck, I really do. Tossing 300 yds and 6 TDs against Frostburg State was incredible - we'll see how he does when he faces Mount.

Not to mention the TD he ran for! Honestly a d2 quality guy, like most  elite d3 players hard to believe he was overlooked.

[Desertraider]

I think Carl did what Carl did against everybody he faced. He just hadn't faced Mount yet and it didn't work. Mount had more defensive speed than what UMHB had faced. Not a knock on Carl - he is a good QB - but other teams had to spread their defense out to account for the speed of Carl and that WR (sorry - not as old as some but can't remember his name). It opened up the lanes and allowed that big back to get going (the ESPN crew kept saying "when he gets going") but it didn't work against Mount. They could account for the speed in their regular defense and still plug the run lanes. It wasn't Carl...it was Mount. UMHB's lack of creativity in play calling didn't help him either. I mean be honest - did anyone who watched not know what was coming by the middle of first quarter? Even the announcers said several times that Mount seemed to know what was coming before the play started.

In other words....I don't see Luke being the difference maker in that game for UMHB. They couldn't get open deep with their speed, couldn't get to the outside on the stretch, and couldn't overpower the middle. Maybe it would not have been 12-0...but it would still be #13 for the Purple Raiders.

I wish Poorman luck, I really do. Tossing 300 yds and 6 TDs against Frostburg State was incredible - we'll see how he does when he faces Mount.

Not to mention the TD he ran for! Honestly a d2 quality guy, like most  elite d3 players hard to believe he was overlooked.

I can't call Poorman elite - yet. He is good. He showed promise as a Freshman but it was cut short by injury. He had 1 great game against a Frostburg State team that was over matched from sideline to sideline. He has the tools and may be an elite talent - but not an elite player yet. I am not siding with Frostburg's coach but they weren't really game planning Poorman all week. I have to reserve the "elite player" label until he does it on the field.

[Dr. Acula]

^^^ That's a fair distinction I think.  Poorman can be an elite QB.  He has not done it yet though outside of 1 game.  Fulford threw 50 TD passes, lead the nation in passer efficiency and won a national title.  That's the resume of a guy who has proven to be elite.  The good news for Poorman is, just like at Mount, at UMHB he doesn't need to be elite until the very end of the season because the talent around him will win the first 12 games as long as he's average or better.  That's a nice luxury to have for a new QB as we've seen over the years. 

[WRMUalum13]

I think Carl did what Carl did against everybody he faced. He just hadn't faced Mount yet and it didn't work. Mount had more defensive speed than what UMHB had faced. Not a knock on Carl - he is a good QB - but other teams had to spread their defense out to account for the speed of Carl and that WR (sorry - not as old as some but can't remember his name). It opened up the lanes and allowed that big back to get going (the ESPN crew kept saying "when he gets going") but it didn't work against Mount. They could account for the speed in their regular defense and still plug the run lanes. It wasn't Carl...it was Mount. UMHB's lack of creativity in play calling didn't help him either. I mean be honest - did anyone who watched not know what was coming by the middle of first quarter? Even the announcers said several times that Mount seemed to know what was coming before the play started.

In other words....I don't see Luke being the difference maker in that game for UMHB. They couldn't get open deep with their speed, couldn't get to the outside on the stretch, and couldn't overpower the middle. Maybe it would not have been 12-0...but it would still be #13 for the Purple Raiders.

I wish Poorman luck, I really do. Tossing 300 yds and 6 TDs against Frostburg State was incredible - we'll see how he does when he faces Mount.

Not to mention the TD he ran for! Honestly a d2 quality guy, like most  elite d3 players hard to believe he was overlooked.

I can't call Poorman elite - yet. He is good. He showed promise as a Freshman but it was cut short by injury. He had 1 great game against a Frostburg State team that was over matched from sideline to sideline. He has the tools and may be an elite talent - but not an elite player yet. I am not siding with Frostburg's coach but they weren't really game planning Poorman all week. I have to reserve the "elite player" label until he does it on the field.

Totally right, I was a bit premature to label poorman elite! My comments were more in regards to how some of these players get overlooked by higher levels. "Elite" was probably not the best term.

[merlecanlas]

^^^ That's a fair distinction I think.  Poorman can be an elite QB.  He has not done it yet though outside of 1 game.  Fulford threw 50 TD passes, lead the nation in passer efficiency and won a national title.  That's the resume of a guy who has proven to be elite.  The good news for Poorman is, just like at Mount, at UMHB he doesn't need to be elite until the very end of the season because the talent around him will win the first 12 games as long as he's average or better.  That's a nice luxury to have for a new QB as we've seen over the years.

Poorman will be a wonderkid at UMHB from the preseason to the 2nd/3rd round of the playoffs. 

He's thrown less than 100 passes total at Mount, with a game high of 17.  Elite garbage time QB.  I used to compare Poorman to Neal Seaman.  UMHB and Mount would be lucky for Poorman to be Neal Seaman