FB: Ohio Athletic Conference

[Bombers798891]

This Q&A with Whitewater's former AD highlights some of what the athletic department and university did to step up

http://athleticmanagement.com/2010/10/15/qa_with_paul_plinske/index.php

[wally_wabash]

This Q&A with Whitewater's former AD highlights some of what the athletic department and university did to step up

http://athleticmanagement.com/2010/10/15/qa_with_paul_plinske/index.php

Interesting that he doesn't mention Mount Union one time.  Just slipped his mind, I'm sure. 

[MRMIKESMITH]

It may not automatically make your program better ... but it cannot necessarily hurt to try. Some programs see the light and turn the corner (including coaching staffs) and others do not. It is difficult to grade each institution on the same curve. Not everything, including administrations, Presidents, etc., see the same things the same way.

I agree, I believe some programs have an identity on what they want out of their athletics to be and that's not always winning a national championship, it may be being respectable or conference. Also, some coaches have a scheme that they known their whole life and to change would be to retire or let go key friends.

[Dr. Acula]

This Q&A with Whitewater's former AD highlights some of what the athletic department and university did to step up

http://athleticmanagement.com/2010/10/15/qa_with_paul_plinske/index.php

I thought the academic incentives were interesting.  Team GPA over 3.1 gets you additional funding in your budget.  Interesting concept.  I wonder how common that is in D3.

The other piece I found interesting (and totally foreign for the rest of D3) was the Title IX part where he discusses getting the female percentage more in line by asking the men's teams to reduce roster sizes while the women's teams added JV programs.  I can't imagine there are many D3 schools where the AD is telling coaches "hey, we're gonna need you to bring in fewer kids".

[Kira & Jaxon's Dad]

This Q&A with Whitewater's former AD highlights some of what the athletic department and university did to step up

http://athleticmanagement.com/2010/10/15/qa_with_paul_plinske/index.php

Interesting that he doesn't mention Mount Union one time.  Just slipped his mind, I'm sure.

Was this a "tongue in cheek" comment?  Because I think he was hired after they started their two game series vs Mount.

[mikefln]

This Q&A with Whitewater's former AD highlights some of what the athletic department and university did to step up

http://athleticmanagement.com/2010/10/15/qa_with_paul_plinske/index.php

I thought the academic incentives were interesting.  Team GPA over 3.1 gets you additional funding in your budget.  Interesting concept.  I wonder how common that is in D3.

The other piece I found interesting (and totally foreign for the rest of D3) was the Title IX part where he discusses getting the female percentage more in line by asking the men's teams to reduce roster sizes while the women's teams added JV programs.  I can't imagine there are many D3 schools where the AD is telling coaches "hey, we're gonna need you to bring in fewer kids".

I agree about that Title IX part.  I was never a fan and probably never will be a fan of Title IX.  To me it is one of those sounds great on paper but in reality, it discriminates but, people ignore it because the "ruling class" is the one being discriminated against.  You see this at the D1 level were Wrestling went from over 150 programs down to 76 programs.   Now this example of roster limitation in D3 is really bad.  Grant it, at Whitewater it is a little different since they are a public institution so they could get away with limiting roster sizes. At a private D3 institution that rely on tuition to fund the school, it is criminal to reduce roster sizes to comply with a feel good law.

[wally_wabash]

Title IX isn't fair is a staggeringly bad take.   

[Desertraider]

This Q&A with Whitewater's former AD highlights some of what the athletic department and university did to step up

http://athleticmanagement.com/2010/10/15/qa_with_paul_plinske/index.php

I thought the academic incentives were interesting.  Team GPA over 3.1 gets you additional funding in your budget.  Interesting concept.  I wonder how common that is in D3.

The other piece I found interesting (and totally foreign for the rest of D3) was the Title IX part where he discusses getting the female percentage more in line by asking the men's teams to reduce roster sizes while the women's teams added JV programs.  I can't imagine there are many D3 schools where the AD is telling coaches "hey, we're gonna need you to bring in fewer kids".

I agree about that Title IX part.  I was never a fan and probably never will be a fan of Title IX.  To me it is one of those sounds great on paper but in reality, it discriminates but, people ignore it because the "ruling class" is the one being discriminated against.  You see this at the D1 level were Wrestling went from over 150 programs down to 76 programs.   Now this example of roster limitation in D3 is really bad.  Grant it, at Whitewater it is a little different since they are a public institution so they could get away with limiting roster sizes. At a private D3 institution that rely on tuition to fund the school, it is criminal to reduce roster sizes to comply with a feel good law.

Wow. I didn't know OSU was accepting letters of interest for Urban or Gene Smith's job. Not only is this take staggeringly bad - it's also staggeringly wrong (morally and factually). I remember going to see my sisters basketball games the year before Title IX. The uniforms were their school issued gym uniforms with numbers taped on the back before each game. The coaches were volunteers (not paid to coach basketball but teachers with extra time). My mom and Dad drove players to away games if their parents couldn't because the school would not provide a driver and a bus, or trainers, and sometimes officials were the coaches (1 from each team). After Title IX - they had real uniforms and even warm-ups, refs, almost like a real sport. BTW - wrestling got pulled from a lot of schools due to everything from lack of wrestlers, lack of other area teams, travel costs, low attendance (not really a $$ generating sport) and a host of other reasons. Yet to see a school say 'because of Title IX...yada yada yada'.

[emma17]

I think scheduling Mt or the old UWW is a much greater benefit to a program that is close to national contention than it is to an average or below average program. UWW was already a good program but wanted to see/feel first hand what it took to be great. In UWW's case I assume it was the realization of the difference in speed- and maybe overall player strength. UWO probably benefited in the same way. They were already playing UWW every year but still scheduled Mt. I imagine the other benefit for a program on the cusp is confidence, as some have mentioned. Experiencing success (not winning the game, but executing well) is a foundation builder.
For those teams not on the cusp, or lacking the administrative support to use the experience to improve the program, I see little value.

[Dave 'd-mac' McHugh]

Title IX isn't fair is a staggeringly bad take.

People also forget how Title IX isn't just a "woman rule." I know from personal experience.

[Desertraider]

Title IX isn't fair is a staggeringly bad take.

People also forget how Title IX isn't just a "woman rule." I know from personal experience.

Give that man a cigar. +K

[Dr. Acula]

This Q&A with Whitewater's former AD highlights some of what the athletic department and university did to step up

http://athleticmanagement.com/2010/10/15/qa_with_paul_plinske/index.php

I thought the academic incentives were interesting.  Team GPA over 3.1 gets you additional funding in your budget.  Interesting concept.  I wonder how common that is in D3.

The other piece I found interesting (and totally foreign for the rest of D3) was the Title IX part where he discusses getting the female percentage more in line by asking the men's teams to reduce roster sizes while the women's teams added JV programs.  I can't imagine there are many D3 schools where the AD is telling coaches "hey, we're gonna need you to bring in fewer kids".

I agree about that Title IX part.  I was never a fan and probably never will be a fan of Title IX.  To me it is one of those sounds great on paper but in reality, it discriminates but, people ignore it because the "ruling class" is the one being discriminated against.  You see this at the D1 level were Wrestling went from over 150 programs down to 76 programs.   Now this example of roster limitation in D3 is really bad.  Grant it, at Whitewater it is a little different since they are a public institution so they could get away with limiting roster sizes. At a private D3 institution that rely on tuition to fund the school, it is criminal to reduce roster sizes to comply with a feel good law.

Wow. I didn't know OSU was accepting letters of interest for Urban or Gene Smith's job. Not only is this take staggeringly bad - it's also staggeringly wrong (morally and factually). I remember going to see my sisters basketball games the year before Title IX. The uniforms were their school issued gym uniforms with numbers taped on the back before each game. The coaches were volunteers (not paid to coach basketball but teachers with extra time). My mom and Dad drove players to away games if their parents couldn't because the school would not provide a driver and a bus, or trainers, and sometimes officials were the coaches (1 from each team). After Title IX - they had real uniforms and even warm-ups, refs, almost like a real sport. BTW - wrestling got pulled from a lot of schools due to everything from lack of wrestlers, lack of other area teams, travel costs, low attendance (not really a $$ generating sport) and a host of other reasons. Yet to see a school say 'because of Title IX...yada yada yada'.

At the D1 level the bigger issue hurting wrestling is football.  It's so expensive to field a D1 football program that it squeezes out other sports because of monetary constraints caused by the football program bleeding money every year.  Now, could you then argue "well if you need to save money why would they cut wrestling when it's one of the cheaper team sports?"  Certainly.  And it's also fishy when men's programs are cut even in instances where outside donors have stepped up to fund a program on the chopping block due to money (Akron baseball suffered this fate as did Marquette wrestling).  I don't recall what the reason given in those cases was.

[buddy34]

if D1 schools would quit lavishing money on the football and basketball programs, there'd be plenty to go around for the so-called minor sports and women's sports -- and maybe even some money to improve the diversity of the student body and lower the overall cost of higher education.

[Kira & Jaxon's Dad]

This Q&A with Whitewater's former AD highlights some of what the athletic department and university did to step up

http://athleticmanagement.com/2010/10/15/qa_with_paul_plinske/index.php

I thought the academic incentives were interesting.  Team GPA over 3.1 gets you additional funding in your budget.  Interesting concept.  I wonder how common that is in D3.

The other piece I found interesting (and totally foreign for the rest of D3) was the Title IX part where he discusses getting the female percentage more in line by asking the men's teams to reduce roster sizes while the women's teams added JV programs.  I can't imagine there are many D3 schools where the AD is telling coaches "hey, we're gonna need you to bring in fewer kids".

I agree about that Title IX part.  I was never a fan and probably never will be a fan of Title IX.  To me it is one of those sounds great on paper but in reality, it discriminates but, people ignore it because the "ruling class" is the one being discriminated against.  You see this at the D1 level were Wrestling went from over 150 programs down to 76 programs.   Now this example of roster limitation in D3 is really bad.  Grant it, at Whitewater it is a little different since they are a public institution so they could get away with limiting roster sizes. At a private D3 institution that rely on tuition to fund the school, it is criminal to reduce roster sizes to comply with a feel good law.

Wow. I didn't know OSU was accepting letters of interest for Urban or Gene Smith's job. Not only is this take staggeringly bad - it's also staggeringly wrong (morally and factually). I remember going to see my sisters basketball games the year before Title IX. The uniforms were their school issued gym uniforms with numbers taped on the back before each game. The coaches were volunteers (not paid to coach basketball but teachers with extra time). My mom and Dad drove players to away games if their parents couldn't because the school would not provide a driver and a bus, or trainers, and sometimes officials were the coaches (1 from each team). After Title IX - they had real uniforms and even warm-ups, refs, almost like a real sport. BTW - wrestling got pulled from a lot of schools due to everything from lack of wrestlers, lack of other area teams, travel costs, low attendance (not really a $$ generating sport) and a host of other reasons. Yet to see a school say 'because of Title IX...yada yada yada'.

At the D1 level the bigger issue hurting wrestling is football.  It's so expensive to field a D1 football program that it squeezes out other sports because of monetary constraints caused by the football program bleeding money every year.  Now, could you then argue "well if you need to save money why would they cut wrestling when it's one of the cheaper team sports?"  Certainly.  And it's also fishy when men's programs are cut even in instances where outside donors have stepped up to fund a program on the chopping block due to money (Akron baseball suffered this fate as did Marquette wrestling).  I don't recall what the reason given in those cases was.

It's the equality part.  Instead of adding MORE Female Sports to make sure the Male/Female ratio is equitable, the Schools Chose to shut down the Non-Revenue Earning Men's Sports (Wrestling, baseball, etc.)

[umhb2001]

Equal does not mean fair.