FB: Ohio Athletic Conference

[crusader26]

Just checked up on the Division III record book and saw a couple OAC'ers on the front page of this year's book.  Maybe someone else can confirm but I believe Mike Jorris and possibly one of the Capital Crusaders are on the front cover amongst others.

RC, I see no Cap players on the cover, only OAC'er is Jorris...would have been pretty cool for another OAC'er to be on there, though!!

[Ric]

Mount Union #1, Capital #3 and Ohio Northern #10 in the new D3Football.com Top 25. With apologies to Northern wouldn't it be something if Whitewater stumbled and Mount Union and Capital did not and the top two teams in the country squared off in Alliance on October 28th?

[pmv]

I was alittle confused by the comment of Crusader26.  What does the game with Otterbein have to do with the QB.  When a kid throws 400 yds, 2 tds, I dont think he lost the game.  We had one TD reversed by a ref, one 2 point conversion reversed, on a key fumble when we were driving Otterbein had 12 players.  If you saw the game Marietta should of won by 21.  Marietta is no Mt. Union or Capital or ONU, but put one of those QB on Mariettas team and see what they could do?  Take out your favorites and look at it from an outsider and you have 5 or 6 great QBs in this conference.  Enjoy them

[Genius Gone Bad]

crusader 26,
I'm a polarbear don't get that mistaken, and yes i think the best 2 QB's in the OAC play each other this weekend in Pentello, and Vrable.  The Pioneers were a joke before his arrival and now they are a really good team.  He gets it done every week with not near the supporting cast as the other QB's you have mentioned.   When I look at great QB's I think  they make all the players around them better.  Where was capital before Pentello, hell where is BW without Larham, or JCU without Arth.  Say what you want, but you can plug any decent QB in at mount and have success because the talent around him will make him better.  I stand by my statement.

[crusader26]

GGB & pmv: Don't get me wrong, I mean no disrespect to Marietta or Vrable; I guess I just misinterpreted GGB's post the wrong way.  I took the comment as Marietta should beat Capital this weekend.  Remember, there is more than just the QB on the field playing.  Rocky is a great QB, IMHO the best in the OAC, but would Cap have won all the games they did b/c of him...NO!  Cap has had tremendous defenses to advance as far as they have, especially last years playoff run!!  That has been the final ingredient or difference maker for Cap's run the past two years.  Pentello gave them hope to win before the defense turned around.  Now, that they have had great defenses, they expect to win every Saturday, rather than hope to win b/c of Pentello.  I have not seen Vrable play, or at least I don't think I have??  When I make a reference about a player, I consider the team he plays for, don't you??  I mean you have to have someone to throw the ball to, right??  We could go back and forth on here all night.....

[Kira & Jaxon's Dad]

What is Mike Jorris' Pass Efficiency Rating again?  How many Rings do those other QBs have?

[D3 Poster]

In fairness to Jorris & Pentello. playing less than a whole game and in Jorris' case only about a quarter makes it hard to stack up statiscally with some of the other qbs.

I can't argue against these two have the better supporting casts

[HScoach]

What is Mike Jorris' Pass Efficiency Rating again?  How many Rings do those other QBs have?

How many rings does Tom Arth have?  Heck, how many OAC titles does he have?  And I would easily consider Tom Arth in the top 3 of All Time OAC QB's with Bill Borchert and Jim Ballard.  It's not fair to judge QB's solely on the team's record.  I'm with genius on this one in his definition of "making others play better" as a significant portion of a QB's greatness.    Jim Ballard and Tom Arth are the poster boys for raising the level of play of their team mates.  Neither of those teams come close to doing what they did without those 2 at QB. 

[Kira & Jaxon's Dad]

What is Mike Jorris' Pass Efficiency Rating again?  How many Rings do those other QBs have?

How many rings does Tom Arth have?  Heck, how many OAC titles does he have?  And I would easily consider Tom Arth in the top 3 of All Time OAC QB's with Bill Borchert and Jim Ballard.  It's not fair to judge QB's solely on the team's record.  I'm with genius on this one in his definition of "making others play better" as a significant portion of a QB's greatness.    Jim Ballard and Tom Arth are the poster boys for raising the level of play of their team mates.  Neither of those teams come close to doing what they did without those 2 at QB. 

I am a homer, so I shall smite you. 

I have seen Arth, Ballard, Borchert, Adamson, Jorris and Bruney play in person.  Haven't seen Vrable or Pentello play in person so can't guage their performance, other than by stats.  It would be interesting to put Jorris with Capital or Marietta and see how he performs.  I'll just have to wait for the Head to Head matchups this year to see the final outcome, but if those guys (Pentello and Vrable) can really bring up the level of their own teams, I believe they should beat MUC before being proclaimed the best in the OAC.

[skunks_sidekick]

It's always an arguable position as to "who's the best" quarterback.  I watched Pentello play two years ago when Mount literally beat the crap out of him.  After a while, he wanted no part of "being the best".  Supporting casts have everything to do with how good a quarterback is in a season, etc... 

Watching Pentello last year with his receiver corp, and CAP's much improved defense made all the difference.  Pentello could finally be Pentello. 

I haven't seen Vrable play.  I guess I have to agree with Crusader's comment regarding losing to Otterbein.  One of the "two best QB's in the conference" does what he has to do so his team doesn't lose to frickin' OTT. 

I guess as the season plays out, all will shake out. 

[cufan]

With the supporting casts being equal I think Pentello is the best QB.  In terms of who is most valuable to their team it has to be Vrable.  I am just excited to finally have some good match ups this week.  

[D3 Poster]

Does stink, but last year Rocky's team lost to Ott and he was still definitely one of the two best in the league

[OU#25]

I'm curious about the rationale that because Jorris has a great surrounding cast he is not considered one of the best two QB's in the OAC.  

What's the definition of a great quarterback?  I thought it had something to do with leadership, accuracy, td to int ratios, "big game" experience and winning conference and national is always a plus.

I would say that most people would agree that Peyton Manning is a great QB...maybe the best in the NFL right now.  Where would he be without that offensive line and a HOF receiver?  Would he be as successful and put up the same #'s if was the Cleveland Browns QB for the last few years?

I don't think so...


All Jorris can control is the QB position.  I not going to apologize for Jorris' skills or excuse his ability because he plays for Mount Union.

[HScoach]

I am a homer, so I shall smite you. 

OUCH!  That hurt!

I'm a homer too, but I try to temper that with a little pessimistic realism. 



OU#25:  I'm not saying Jorris can't be a great QB because of his supporting cast.  It's just that it makes it a lot harder for him to prove it when he plays with a superior supporting cast.  A great QB isn't going to make Heidelberg a contender by himself, but a great QB can take a decent team and make them good (Larlham and Arth), or a good team and make them great (Jim Ballard).  The supporting cast thing works against Mike in that one could expect to plug Pentello or Vrable or Stetlzer or Quirk into the 2006 MUC team and MUC would still be where they are right now.   

Also working against Jorris, though it's not fair, but he has the Mount Mystic playing against him in these discussions.  He's competing in our minds with Ballard, Borchert, Smeck and Adamson when it comes to being called a great MUC QB.  Pentello and Vrable are competing versus who?  Is it fair to compare it this way?  NO.  But it happens nonetheless.


I think CUfan said it best.  Pentello is probably the best, but Vrable might be most important to his team.

[seventiesraider]

Pentello is probably the best, but Vrable might be most important to his team.

And Jorris is the most likely to be playing in December

God this is a boring time of the season if this is the best we can do.