FB: Ohio Athletic Conference

[section13raiderfan]

The trouble with rating quarterbacks against past quarterbacks is that few things that figure into the success of a quarterback are ever equal. For instance, the best high school quarterback that I ever saw play would not be ranked as even in the top ten quarterbacks of his own schools history. This kid had all the tools... tall, smart, courageous,a quick release, very strong arm, mobile,could read a defense quickly and accurately. So why wasnt he the most successful? For one thing nobody could catch him. this kid could break hands with his throws. Secondly, his defense wasnt as good as his offense and his team didnt win them all, although they did make the playoffs. He ended up playing in the CFL. Just goes to show that its a team thing. Maybe Ballard is second team on another OAC team if he played elsewhere just because the coach is run crazy and all he wants is someone to hand the ball off and play fake. Who knows? I had doubts about Jorris last year also. LK was right. I was wrong. Feel free to prove me wrong again this year Mr Jorris! Go Raiders!

[OU#25]

Ken Anderson was a wonderful NFL QB and a great person.  I live in Cincinnati and I've met him before.  That being said "we were talking about D3" and if championships and statistics are the measurement" then Bill Borchert was a better D3 player then Anderson.  Sorry.

[HScoach]

Here's mine:

1.  Bochert - best QB I ever saw play.  63 TD versus 2 INT's as a senior.  Threw a perfect deep ball with very good mobility (though that wasn't often needed).

2.  Ballard - great arm and even bigger heart.  Carried MUC to title back when Mount was the huge underdog.

3.  Smeck - wasn't the best athlete at QB, but won 2 titles and made great decisions.   He gets extra cudos for winning the surprising title in '98 as a sophomore.

4.  Adamson - great arm, but broken finger limited his numbers.  Pugh took away some numbers too.  Didn't have a great WR core with him either.

5.  Too early for me to put a final ranking on Jorris, but projecting that he plays 2006 like he did the last half of 2005, then I put him at #5.  Good arm strength and touch.   A great '06 and he could pass Adamson.  An average '06 and he stays at 5.  A poor one and he slips behind Bruney.

6.  Bruney - great athlete, but way too inconsistent in his throws.  Especially the intermediate stuff.  Way too many times a WR had to adjust his route to catch a Bruney pass which eliminated yards after catch.

7.  Burghardt - ditto Bruney but less athletic and worse decision making....cough Stagg Bowl.....

[OU#25]

Those 2 Int's that Borchert threw his SR. year...

One was deflected off the hands of a receiver and the other hit the ground but was ruled an Int.

[Ric]

You should go back another ten years to really rank the guys. OU sent you a PM.

[dabein22]

OU#25

I am definitely not trying to take anything away from Mount, their players, or their undeniable dominance the past decade.  I am pointing out that, in my opinion, Mount has not had the most talented QBs in the league since Ballard and Borchert.  The fact that Mount has great receivers does help the QB a great deal.  Marrino (check spelling), Knapp, Casto, and Garcon could probably make me at least 2nd team all-league.  Pugh, Moore, and Kmic are all great too and we all know how much a running game helps the passing game.  They are all great RB and they would be great at an other OAC school, but the O-line has some say in their performance as well.  My point is, Mount has surround good QBs with other great players and that increases the QB ability to perform at a high level.  I don't expect an apology, that is why football IS THE ULTIMATE TEAM SPORT.  When judging players, which is inevitable, one must consider the talent around that player and the chance for success is put in the others situation.

Before we call Pentello's numbers misleading...Let's consider some facts.  Like the great Mount QBs before him, Pentello also plays into the fourth quarter in only about half the games.  This year he has played one series in the fourth quarter and is averaging about one series in the second half.  Same is true for last year and his freshman year.  Against the bottom half of the OAC, he simply does not play a full game and CU's improved D, like Mount, usually gives the offense a very short field to work with.

Also, I am sure that 4 or 5 years ago (yes he really only has been there four seasons with one medical redshirt) very few Mount fans (NONE) would be looking forward to a game between "Crapital" and the mighty Purple Raiders.  Yet here we are four weeks till game day and we are talking about it all the time.

Since I am on a roll, consider this.  Pentello's career record is something like 29-9.  Not too shabby.  Then consider 4 of those losses come to the "machine".  That leaves 5 losses.  He gets credit for one, his true freshman year, when he was injured in a game against Anderson.  A game he played 3 series in and was leading 19-0 when he broke his collar bone with 8:00 minutes to play in quarter #1.  Capital ends up losing 25-24.  Sounds like a "blown save" to me, at the very least a no decision.  That leaves 4 losses.  One at home against a superior and playoff bound BW team.  Seven turnovers that day and Rocky had 395 yards and 3 scores as a red-shirt freshman.  A 38-35 home loss to a very good ONU team his sophomore year (308 yards).  A terrible 19-6 loss at JCU the following week.  No excuses, bad performance, bad effort, great football facility.  And then the 17-14 loss to Otterbein last season.  And even though there is no excuse for losses, few people know Pentello was playing on a very badly sprained ankle that week and the game plan was changed to protect him.  0-4 against the best team in D3 the past decade and 2-1 against all other top tier OAC competition.  Not bad especially when you throw in 3 lopsided wins against Wittenberg and wins over North Central College and Wabash in last years playoffs.

Finally, I end with a question.  Does the QB make the receivers or do the receivers make the QB?  Answer: probably a little of both.  But, everyone was wondering all off season who Pentello was going to throw to.  Where will production come from after losing 4 senior starting WRs.  Now don't get wrong CU has had some very good WRs.  Clerk and Freisner were great.  Kraft and Howes were studs.  And Alexander is the burner they lacked last year to stretch the field.  But, the common denominator in this whole equation is Pentello throwing them the ball.  As good as those WR are, Pentello makes them all that much better and more.  I am sure they would all agree if asked.  He has had practically a new group of WRs each of his 4 seasons, but the production remains the same.  So I ask you again, does the QB make the receivers or do the receivers make the QB?  I think in this case it is pretty clear!!!!!!

[rscl70]

Top Kehres coached QB's at MUC

1. Borchert
2. Ballard
3. Woolf
4. Gindlesberger
5. Smeck
6. Jorris
7. Adamson

IMHO 

[Ric]

rscl Kehres coached Woolf as his offensive coordinator in 1984, Kehres did not coach Woolf's senior year of 1985.  Ken Wable was his head coach.

[Ric]

Best Mount Union QB's since 1980 IMO

1. Bill Borchert
2. Jim Ballard
3. Scott Woolf
4. Gary Smeck
5. Rob Adamson
6. Mike Jorris
7. Zac Bruney
8. Tony Colao
9. Scott Gindlesberger
10. Keith Rybarczyk

[frank uible]

When Anderson played at Augustana, technically there was no DIII.

[rscl70]

rscl Kehres coached Woolf as his offensive coordinator in 1984, Kehres did not coach Woolf's senior year of 1985.  Ken Wable was his head coach.

OOPS! 

[Mr. Ypsi]

When Anderson played at Augustana, technically there was no DIII.

Uh oh, I've inadvertantly pulled another 'Sikma as D3'!  Pat, don't ban me - I'm trying to be good!

Since I didn't realize at the time that I was watching "Ken Anderson, Future NFL MVP", I completely forgot that I watched his first three games against IWU!  My mind took a detour, and I thought he must have been the QB for at least a couple of Augie national champion teams in the 80s.  (Obviously I SHOULD have caught it when I edited the original post to include him being the MVP BEFORE Augie won their 4 straight titles, but some days I'm pretty slow!)

[usee]

When Anderson played at Augustana, technically there was no DIII.

Some may argue a few of the MUC teams these qb's played on were not "technically" D3 either. 

[Kira & Jaxon's Dad]

When Anderson played at Augustana, technically there was no DIII.

Some may argue a few of the MUC teams these qb's played on were not "technically" D3 either. 

+ Karma for that one.   

[Kira & Jaxon's Dad]

You should go back another ten years to really rank the guys. OU sent you a PM.

My memory doesn't go back that far.  Too many concussions.