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[dabein22]

I guess we can end the "best QB in the OAC" debate.  Sounds like LK may not even think Jorris is the best QB on his own team.  LK KNOWS BEST.

[Ric]

Dabein, really? LK said that huh? Please give me the link where that was said? I don't think there is any doubt who the best QB at Mount Union is this season. I also don't take exception to someone saying Pentello is the best QB in the OAC this year, I would happen to agree.  But if I were ranking the QB's I have seen play in the OAC since 2000 it would look something like this:

1. Tom Arth
2. Dan Larhlam
3. Gary Smeck
4. Rob Adamson
5. Rocky Pentello

I can't remember if Shane Franzier played in 2000 or not but if he did he'd come next.  I'm also probably forgetting someone.

[dabein22]

As for the JCU-CAP game, CU was very lucky to have Pentello at QB.  Even though he threw a VERY bad pick, the 4th quarter drive was what senior QBs are suppose to do and he looked good doing it.

CU had a very bad case of the drops.  Pentello was 21-31 for about 260 and 3 scores and easily had 4-6 passes hit guys right in the hands and fall incomplete.  That was probably at least another 2 scores as most were huge drive killers and would have easily been 3rd down conversions.

CU came out like gang busters and scored easily on their first two possesions.  Then it seemed they lost aggressiveness both on the field and in the play selection.  It appeared they were more not-to-lose rather than trying to put JCU away.  Granted, it seemed like the O was hardly ever on the field, between the 2 early big plays and JCU totally dominating time of possesion.

Give JCU and Coach Schafe a lot of credit.  They had a good game plan and they executed very well.  The freshman JCU QB was impressive and made some nice throws on the move, but again CU rarely brought pressure and when they finally did the last series, he looked more like a freshman and less like a world beater.  Still, the future looks bright for JCU and Kirbus.

I worry about the running game of ONU.  At times CU looked very weak in the middle against the run.  And I have never seem a team give up the edge on sweeps and bootlegs as much as CAP does.  They have a lot of talent on D, but the bend-but don't-break approach means they usually lose in field position and keep their O on the sidelines too long against good teams.  I have always been a big fan of the be aggressive and make them make a play approach.  Pressure usually leads to mistakes more often than not.

As for CU, an ugly win is better than no win at all.  Soooooo, have a great week of practice and beat ONU.

[Ric]

I agree with SeventiesRaiders.  I am pretty sure the people that have been around here a while know darn well when Mount Union doesn't play well its fans do not sugarcoat it.

[dabein22]

Dabein, really? LK said that huh? Please give me the link where that was said? I don't think there is any doubt who the best QB at Mount Union is this season. I also don't take exception to someone saying Pentello is the best QB in the OAC this year, I would happen to agree.  But if I were ranking the QB's I have seen play in the OAC since 2000 it would look something like this:

1. Tom Arth
2. Dan Larhlam
3. Gary Smeck
4. Rob Adamson
5. Rocky Pentello


Ric

      First of all there is no link.  If you re-read my post, I said "LK may not", implying only that the Micheli kid seems to be getting alot of PT and if the posts are right, in meaningful situations.  Therefore, I am "implying" that LK "may not" be all that satisfied with Jorris' play or feels that the other QB is deserving of PT.  Hard to imagine the best QB in the league has to be a platoon player, IMHO!!!

As for your list, and you are definitely entitled to your opinion, I have to disagree and would love to hear your reasoning.  My list of the same five players would be as follows:

1. Pentello - Not only the records, but has 30 wins, a final 8, and had an enormous hand in resrrecting an entire program.
2. Arth - Great player with talent to spare, final 4 under his belt, played in a terrific system and HAD most the records.
3. Smeck - Played on GREAT team and did what was expected of him.  I believe 2 national titles.
4. Adamson - See above, but only had 1 national title I think.  (IF not, flip-flop 3 and 4)
5. Larhlam - More of a runner than a passer, but effective as both, but not really great at either.  Also, I believe he has the only OAC second team in playoff loss not to Mount.  Enough said.

I really don't see everyone's lack of respect for Pentello.  He is on pace to start over 40 straight games.  He will probably finish with 12,000 career yards (3,000 yards/season) and over 100 TDs (25 TDs/season).  Great accomplishments no matter where or who you play, but in the OAC with ONLY 3 10,000 yard passers and 1 100 TDs QB in 105 years is impressive.  Yet, no one wants to give this kid his due.  Had he been at Mount, he would probably have 4 national title rings and maybe a Girlardi trophy or 2.  He is that good and surrounded by Mount's talent and especially there O-Line, he would be phenomenal.

Maybe people don't like him because he seems like a pretty boy or comes off as arrogant and cocky, but I know some of his former teammates and they all LOVE him.  And really, is anyone as arrogant as Garcon, yet all Mount fans seem to embrace him.  If he played for you, I would bet the purple faithful would appreciate his accomplishments much much more. From everything I have heard and seen, he is no where near as arrogant as most people think, I hear is actually shy and reserved.  The confidence may come from playing the position and everyone knows you better be confident if you play QB, you always get too much credit and all the blame.

[purple]

 I love to see debate on QB's.I put Gary Smeck on top.Undefeated in the OAC,10-1 in the playoffs,National champ twice,four time OAC champs,54-1 in his career,and loved by his teammates for his toughness and quiet leadership.Adamson was a very talented passer, was 28-0 and a two time OAC and National champ.To his credit he lived up to the advance hype about him..He also brought the Raiders back against Arth and JCU in a classic.Gary actually outdueld Arth in the triple overtime game.I put both of them ahead of Rocky and Arth.LK probably wanted to see how the backup QB performed when the heat was on.He took Adamson out a couple times and played Bruney for no apparent reason when Paul was a senior.LK was really fired up for ONU,he was very intense untill the score reached 49-7.He is going to get the best out of this team as only he and his staff can do.

[Ric]

Well I'm not going to debate this any longer.  Any counter points I make would come across as knocking Pentello when in fact I think he is a very good QB.  He is just not the best I have seen and I have gone on record as saying who I think is better.

Two points though dabein.  In the future you should refrain from making public what you think about anything Mount Union does or why because when you do you show how little you know about what is going on there.  And I say that because of your comment on what you think LK is implying by getting Micheli playing time.  If you knew anything about LK or what he does you would not have came to the same conclusion.

Second, I know what LK thought of Dan Larhlam.  Forgive me if I put more stock into what he thinks than what you do.  And I know that LK thought if Larhlam would have chosen Mount Union over Baldwin-Wallace you would not be thinking of him as a running QB because LK said Larhlam was the closest thing he has seen to a Bill Borchert clone.  And just because he didn not throw the ball at B-W doesn't mean he couldn't.  LK sees something others don't.  Thats why he turned a guy like Borchert, who threw just 11 passes his senior year of high school, into the best Divsion III quarterback I have ever seen play, bar none.

[section13raiderfan]

The best quarterback on any team is the one that gives you the best chances of winning any given game. Whoever moves the team and limits turnovers is fine. The Raiders have 2 very good options. Jorris has the strong arm and experience, not to mention the confidence of a National Championship under his belt. Micheli has a strong arm also, but adds the option to pull it down and run when necessary. Not that Jorris cant, but he seems less inclined to bail on a play and take off with the ball. Not that it will ever be necessary....but  Micheli COULD also pull off the quick kick from the shotgun if circumstances required it. The only downside to Micheli is hes a lefty, and that can be harder to catch for some recievers. If you gotta game plan to defend 2 quarterbacks in practice then thats a disadvantage for the opponent also. Advantage Raiders again. Heck, score early and often, bring in a third QB. ITS ALL GOOD!

[usee]

Dabein, really? LK said that huh? Please give me the link where that was said? I don't think there is any doubt who the best QB at Mount Union is this season. I also don't take exception to someone saying Pentello is the best QB in the OAC this year, I would happen to agree.  But if I were ranking the QB's I have seen play in the OAC since 2000 it would look something like this:

1. Tom Arth
2. Dan Larhlam
3. Gary Smeck
4. Rob Adamson
5. Rocky Pentello

I can't remember if Shane Franzier played in 2000 or not but if he did he'd come next.  I'm also probably forgetting someone.

very interesting to read about Ric. thanks for your insights. what's interesting is I actually got to see Larlham and Adamson in successive weeks their senior years (in playoffs vs wheaton). we were fortunate to beat Larlham and we got crushed by Adamson. If i remember right Adamson was playing his best ball in the playoffs. he sure looked like all world against us in Alliance. Larlham didn't have a very good game the week before. I respect your opinion having seen all of adamsons games and many of Larlham's.

I remember Franzier's sr yr as 2000 because i think he was the qb w jamal robertson?? they pounded millikin in the playoffs that year. Pretty sure that was 2000.

good stuff.

[crusader26]

[No offense to MUC, but when MUC got beat by ONU then followed up with a tough win against a 3-5 BW Team, everyone was screaming & yelling just like Cap's fans are now. 

That quite simply is a crock. All of last years posts are still on this site and we were anything but happy about the BW game. And I found no one making apologies for the team's performance. Be proud of your team, but be realistic, the JCU/Cap game wasn't a performance to be proud of either. (Unless your a Streaks fan)

I was not trying to disrespect MUC or take anything away from their accomplishments; I was trying to make a point to Cap fans.  Sat's game may be the first game where their fans were all over the coaching staff from halftime through the 4th quarter.  Using a loss to a very good ONU Team, and followed up by a close win against BW (where it was only 3-3 at the half) may have been a bad analogy.  My reasoning for this was b/c MUC looses to ONU, but Cap beats them; and, MUC stays close with BW that had a loosing record at the time, but Cap beats convincingly 34-0.  However, MUC beats Cap twice in one year, with both games being competitive.  IMHO scores do not mean anything in this league, as long as you continue to get better week after week.

[Kira & Jaxon's Dad]

Living in Florida, all this talk about Jorris and Micheli reminds me of the Chris Leak and Tim Tebow situation.  Some have Leak as a top 5 Heisman Candidate, while others can't wait until Tim Tebow gets to take over full time next year.  I'd say it is a nice problem to have and in both situations, each QB has their own strengths and their respective coaches are taking advantage of them.

Platooning happens at almost every other position on the field determined by down, distance and situation.  Why not at the QB position also?

[Kira & Jaxon's Dad]

RE: Top Non-MUC QBs over the past X amount of years.  I think I would rather take Arth over Pentello, but I have seen Arth play in person, and have not seen Pentello.  Arth in the playoffs his senior year was beat up (shoulder) and he still played his heart out.

[e_lee]

I would probably put Arth over Pentello as well.  Something about him completeing passes with Ronnie Swearingin literally draped on him, and hanging from him really sticks in my mind.

[2minuteO]

i'd take Rock in D3 over any of the other QB's and i am sure Dabein22 would agree since i am sure he knows me somehow

[usee]

Dabein, really? LK said that huh? Please give me the link where that was said? I don't think there is any doubt who the best QB at Mount Union is this season. I also don't take exception to someone saying Pentello is the best QB in the OAC this year, I would happen to agree.  But if I were ranking the QB's I have seen play in the OAC since 2000 it would look something like this:

1. Tom Arth
2. Dan Larhlam
3. Gary Smeck
4. Rob Adamson
5. Rocky Pentello

I can't remember if Shane Franzier played in 2000 or not but if he did he'd come next.  I'm also probably forgetting someone.

very interesting to read about Ric. thanks for your insights. what's interesting is I actually got to see Larlham and Adamson in successive weeks their senior years (in playoffs vs wheaton). we were fortunate to beat Larlham and we got crushed by Adamson. If i remember right Adamson was playing his best ball in the playoffs. he sure looked like all world against us in Alliance. Larlham didn't have a very good game the week before. I respect your opinion having seen all of adamsons games and many of Larlham's.

I remember Franzier's sr yr as 2000 because i think he was the qb w jamal robertson?? they pounded millikin in the playoffs that year. Pretty sure that was 2000.

good stuff.

as i think about it, i saw pentello play vs north central last year in the playoffs and I think it was borchert who played in the playoff game in 1995 in alliance vs wheaton?? SO i have seen ballard, borchert, smeck, adamson, larlham, pentello and franzier. maybe I am an expert on OAC qb's?? I couldn't be any worse thane some of the posters on here.