FB: Ohio Athletic Conference

[4u]

Ace-
As a NCAA athlete, you should know better.  The "I didn't know" theory doesn't work in our justice system nor in the NCAA's. 
4u

[reality check]

4u

The incident hinted at was disclosed as a player on last year's team playing in his 16th quarter of enrollment in college.  I am not sure what it means in the grand scheme of things though.  I don't know if it is a case of a player playing more than his four years of football or not.  The findings don't really explain.  A female golfer was also guilty of competing in her 16th quarter of enrollment.  My guess with the golfer is she may have been a PharmD student and attended ONU for 6 years for her degree.  It is my understanding that neither were guilty of playing in five seperate seasons in their sport, just that they competed in a 16th quarter which is a violation of some rule.  It is an infraction nonetheless I just don't know what the rule means exactly.  

[reality check]

Doeder

Such hostility (and coherent smack from you) is disturbing.  Has married life already had an effect on you?

[Pat Coleman]

What is with Doeder's e-mail address? Who is he trying to make people think he is?

[jdean]

RC:
I'd be very surprised if the OAC commish doesn't step aside or is asked to step aside from this appeal issue. He has a vested interest in the proceedings and there is a question of imparciality. In post-season selection committees I believe conference reps are asked to leave the room when one of their conference member teams is discussed.

[4u]

Pat,
I looked at Doeder's e-mail and laughed.  That is funny!
4u

[ScotsFan]

Just curious, but there was some mention of ONU's self imposed sanctions.  Just what exactly were they and why were they not enough to make the NCAA think it had to step in now?  

Personally, I agree with whoever said that ONU should have put a self-imposed playoff ban for last season like OSU did in basketball.  I highly doubt that too many would have predicted that ONU would have come so close to making the playoffs last year and this would all now be behind them.  Now, they are a legitimate playoff contender and it will all go for not unless the NCAA does the unthinkable and lessen their santions to allow ONU into the playoffs.  

Do I agree with the timing of these sanctions by the NCAA?  Not really, but I have to say, ONU's administration has to be partly to blame for this whole mess by not steping up with a self-imposed ban on the playoffs last year.

[Pat Coleman]

I can't remember the last time the NCAA imposed a playoff ban for a violation. I'm sure it never occurred to ONU to do so.

[4u]

Pat,
I hereby petition you to consider granting Doeder posting privlidges again.  Seriously, he makes us all seem smarter and nobody would take his e-mail address seriously,
4u

[Pat Coleman]

I don't think registering with a fake e-mail address (which was his first attempt) and then impersonating a prominent D-III head coach is something I would ever think about tolerating in a million years.

[gordonmann]

Just wanted to throw something out to you guys...

Suppose the NCAA had imposed a playoff ban in 2004 and put them on probation starting last year.  Then ONU unwittingly had an ineligible player participate in last year's games.

Would that infraction have violated their probation?  If so, would that have made matters even worse for the program?

This is just hypothetical, but in that scenario, couldn't it work to ONU's benefit that the NCAA didn't whack them until this year when they could air all the infractions at once?

Sorry to add abstractions to the issue.  This is what happens when I read theoretical stuff at school and need a break...

[reality check]

gordon

That's a valid point.  What some suggested was that ONU ban itself from 2004 playoffs.  I don't think ONU could effectively put itself on probation in the NCAA's eyes though so I think had the school taken that step to ban itself, probation in '04 would not have been an issue.  I still don't fully understand what the rule violated last year means exactly.  It is not totally clear to me the way it was presented.  I am not arguing that it is a trumped up charge at all, I just don't know what they are saying is wrong with someone playing in a 16th quarter of school if they have not played more than three seasons to start that year (medical redshirting aside).

Thanks for the Lima paper links by the way.  Those articles provided some details I had not previsouly understood.

[reality check]

For those that believe the players should have stepped up.  This was a quote from the Lima paper.  Of course, you can argue sincerity but here is what one player said about the incidents in 2003.

"It's sad that they do that to us. I think they're punishing the wrong people. They're punishing the players and we didn't know what we were doing."

[pios]

  ...I still don't fully understand what the rule violated last year means exactly.  It is not totally clear to me the way it was presented.  I am not arguing that it is a trumped up charge at all, I just don't know what they are saying is wrong with someone playing in a 16th quarter of school if they have not played more than three seasons to start that year (medical redshirting aside).

From what was posted on the front page and my understaning of reading the article, it is just an NCAA rule that you can't compete if it is your 16th quarter or 10th semester or beyond.  While I agree that this is odd if you haven't competed in the sport before, but you see this alot with a fifth year senior that has played another sport for four years and wants to play football in the fall of his fifth year and that is fine because that would be the 15th quarter or 9th semester.  However, I guess you can't play any spring sports if you are a fifth year senior according to this rule, assuming you started in the fall your first year, because women's golf is a spring sport and that was also a violation.  I would assume in ONU's case for the football player he may have been enrolled elsewhere prior to ONU and that put him over the limit, thinking he was a fifth year senior and that it was ok to play.  I would also guess the female golfer was a fifth year senior or beyond and assumed it was alright to participate since she may have only competed for less than four years. 

[e_lee]

I think Doeder should be allowed to stay.  Most on here know how to take him, and even deep down enjoy his posts.  As far as impersonating a prominent D3 coach, i think we all know its not Larry Kehres.  But Pat Coleman is the judge, jury and executioner.