FB: Ohio Athletic Conference

[JK]

Since Mount fans, and by extension the rest of us OAC fans, have "been there, done that," (no disresepect intended to UWW or anyone else), I started looking for new and unique angles.  I had a thought that this might be the first MUC class to win the title as Frosh, Sophs, and Sr's.  Alas, I was wrong.  The guys who played as Sr's in the '00 season also won as Fr, So, and Sr's.

Here is another "amazing" MUC stat.  One that really drives home the point of how dominant they've been...

Since the end of the '96 season, no player from MUC who played for all four years (consecutively) of his career left with less than a pair of NC rings, and 7 of those classes, including 6 in a row (98-03) and this year's seniors, left with three.

There's a nice recruiting tool that's hard to beat. 

Yeah, that was my intent, NOT!!!

[formerd3db]

Do any of you think the two missed UW-W FG's would have had a bearing on the outcome of the game i.e. how the rest of it "played out" (aside from the obvious fact that those would have won the game for UW-W assuming that all the other scoring remained the same as it did for the remainder of the game?  Just curious as to your thoughts.

Do any of you think the two missed UW-W FG's would have had a bearing on the outcome of the game i.e. how the rest of it "played out" (aside from the obvious fact that those would have won the game for UW-W assuming that all the other scoring remained the same as it did for the remainder of the game?  Just curious as to your thoughts.

I think:

If "ifs and buts" were candy and nuts,
every day would be Christmas!

Cute, bleedpurple.  That's obvious, but the question was asked in that way i.e. speculative and as to what people were thinking at the time it happened in respect to what was developing in the early second half.

No disrespect intended. I should have just let the Mount fans answer. As  UWW fan, I don't want to take away from their championship (not that it would) by doing the coulda, woulda, shoulda. I do think it's a valid question for Mount fans, neutral observers, and even other UWW fans to look at. Besides, I shouldn't type with my mouth full (the bitter taste of crow).

bleedpurple:

I don't think you would have been doing the "could, woulda, shoulda" game at all, nor disrespecting Mount Union.  We've all already acknowledged congrats to them as well as the valient effort by your UW-W.  My question again was just indended to get some opinions from everyone as to if they thought those were pivital moments/aspects of the game as far as emotion or change of stategy, etc. (again, aside from that they would have won the game for UW-W had the scoring remained what it actually did i.e. now recorded).  Anyway, I know you are disappointed (who wouldn't be?) in the outcome, but your team did have a great season and nothing to be ashamed of.  They are a very good team, but it just wasn't their day this year like last.  Thanks for your follow-up.  BTW, all best wishes to you and yours for the holidays.  

[formerd3db]

Since Mount fans, and by extension the rest of us OAC fans, have "been there, done that," (no disresepect intended to UWW or anyone else), I started looking for new and unique angles.  I had a thought that this might be the first MUC class to win the title as Frosh, Sophs, and Sr's.  Alas, I was wrong.  The guys who played as Sr's in the '00 season also won as Fr, So, and Sr's.

Here is another "amazing" MUC stat.  One that really drives home the point of how dominant they've been...

Since the end of the '96 season, no player from MUC who played for all four years (consecutively) of his career left with less than a pair of NC rings, and 7 of those classes, including 6 in a row (98-03) and this year's seniors, left with three.

JK:

Speaking of the topic you bring up i.e. NC rings for the various player classes that have won championships at Mount, I have a question.  Do all players on the team at Mount Union get a NC ring, even though only 52 players are allowed by the NCAA to dress for the Stagg as well as playoff games?  Or do only those who are on the playoff rosters get those?  Just curious.

[formerd3db]

Addendum:
I know JK is a Capital guy (and just asking if he knew), but the question is for any of you Mount guys as well.  Thanks. 

[Kira & Jaxon's Dad]

I believe all that played that year can get a ring.  There is an Alumni Ring Fund Raising Drive and there is some sort of hierarchy on how much each person has to pay per ring.

[formerd3db]

Thanks kirasdad.  That is essentially the same procedure of what our MIAA schools have done in the past with league championship rings and playoff rings and I believe what Albion did way back in 1994 when they won the Stagg.

BTW, are you staying to enjoy the local sports restuarant/bars in Salem tonight or did you have to rush back to the warm and sunny south FL?

[bleedpurple]

Do any of you think the two missed UW-W FG's would have had a bearing on the outcome of the game i.e. how the rest of it "played out" (aside from the obvious fact that those would have won the game for UW-W assuming that all the other scoring remained the same as it did for the remainder of the game?  Just curious as to your thoughts.

Do any of you think the two missed UW-W FG's would have had a bearing on the outcome of the game i.e. how the rest of it "played out" (aside from the obvious fact that those would have won the game for UW-W assuming that all the other scoring remained the same as it did for the remainder of the game?  Just curious as to your thoughts.

I think:

If "ifs and buts" were candy and nuts,
every day would be Christmas!

Cute, bleedpurple.  That's obvious, but the question was asked in that way i.e. speculative and as to what people were thinking at the time it happened in respect to what was developing in the early second half.

No disrespect intended. I should have just let the Mount fans answer. As  UWW fan, I don't want to take away from their championship (not that it would) by doing the coulda, woulda, shoulda. I do think it's a valid question for Mount fans, neutral observers, and even other UWW fans to look at. Besides, I shouldn't type with my mouth full (the bitter taste of crow).

bleedpurple:

I don't think you would have been doing the "could, woulda, shoulda" game at all, nor disrespecting Mount Union.  We've all already acknowledged congrats to them as well as the valient effort by your UW-W.  My question again was just indended to get some opinions from everyone as to if they thought those were pivital moments/aspects of the game as far as emotion or change of stategy, etc. (again, aside from that they would have won the game for UW-W had the scoring remained what it actually did i.e. now recorded).  Anyway, I know you are disappointed (who wouldn't be?) in the outcome, but your team did have a great season and nothing to be ashamed of.  They are a very good team, but it just wasn't their day this year like last.  Thanks for your follow-up.  BTW, all best wishes to you and yours for the holidays.  

d3db,

I think you stated it well. I'm disappointed for the guys but I'm not at all ashamed. They fought hard against a great team.

Hope you and yours have a bllessed Christmas and New Years

[Kira & Jaxon's Dad]

Thanks kirasdad.  That is essentially the same procedure of what our MIAA schools have done in the past with league championship rings and playoff rings and I believe what Albion did way back in 1994 when they won the Stagg.

BTW, are you staying to enjoy the local sports restuarant/bars in Salem tonight or did you have to rush back to the warm and sunny south FL?

My mother and step-father live in N. Virginia, so they drove down this afternoon and took me and my son out for dinner.  Small but Slow, his son and player went out to one of the local Salem establishments for dinner.  We are heading out early tomorrow morning.  Got to get home and get ready for Santa!

[joelmama]

I know a win's a win, but VK can't be too pleased with his unit.

Final stats from UWW:

455 total yards, 198 rushing and 257 passing.

I know they'll enjoy it, but I think when the MUC staff gets back to work, they'll have that on their mind.

I think they were trying to make sure WW stayed in front of them on the last two scores.   They were playing farther off the recievers and were rarely sending any blitzes to provide more deep coverage.

[Mr. Ypsi]

Thanks kirasdad.  That is essentially the same procedure of what our MIAA schools have done in the past with league championship rings and playoff rings and I believe what Albion did way back in 1994 when they won the Stagg.

BTW, are you staying to enjoy the local sports restuarant/bars in Salem tonight or did you have to rush back to the warm and sunny south FL?

My mother and step-father live in N. Virginia, so they drove down this afternoon and took me and my son out for dinner.  Small but Slow, his son and player went out to one of the local Salem establishments for dinner.  We are heading out early tomorrow morning.  Got to get home and get ready for Santa!

Something I've always wondered : Santa's traditional suit seems quite appropriate for the North Pole and even colder places like Michigan, but does he switch to shorts and t-shirt in Florida?

[bleedpurple]

I know a win's a win, but VK can't be too pleased with his unit.

Final stats from UWW:

455 total yards, 198 rushing and 257 passing.

I know they'll enjoy it, but I think when the MUC staff gets back to work, they'll have that on their mind.

I think they were trying to make sure WW stayed in front of them on the last two scores.   They were playing farther off the recievers and were rarely sending any blitzes to provide more deep coverage.

I think you are both probably right. However, a couple of points:

UWW did have around 300 yards through 3 quarters. That's pretty productive.
Also,
Not too many defensive coordinators would be pleased giving up an 87 yard drive in 3:12, leaving over minute left on the clock when a defensive stop would have iced the game.

[formerd3db]

kirasdad:

Hope you all enjoy(ed) your evening and what's left of it.  A nice relaxing dinner at a restaurant, with good food and beverage, and to re-discuss the game sounds great.  Take care, drive safe on the way home and all best wishes for a blessed Christmas and New Year's holiday.

[Shark]

I just got back from Salem and simply wanted to say

Congratulations Mount and thank you seniors! What a year!

[Welcome to the Machine]

Reality Check's Statement regarding the winning percentage of Leipold & Kehres in a previous post got me to thinking.

Assuming a tie is half win and loss (.5 of a win) and
Assuming a ten game schedule

Kehres could lose every game for the next 25 years and still have a winning record with a winning percentage of .504. Although I doubt if he coaches until 83, but........

To further show this absurdity is that IF he coaches another 25 years and only goes .500, Kehres will win 400 games with a winning percentage of .731.

[seventiesraider]

Do any of you think the two missed UW-W FG's would have had a bearing on the outcome of the game i.e. how the rest of it "played out" (aside from the obvious fact that those would have won the game for UW-W assuming that all the other scoring remained the same as it did for the remainder of the game?  Just curious as to your thoughts.

Not as much effect as the Minnesota referee and Salem scoreboard (Bridgewater? ?) who repeatly ran plays without starting the clock and once reset the clock after a play to more time that was on the clock before the snap. I'll try not to use the "suck" when describing the officiating team. How about "Befuddled." WW's last drive shouldn't have happened if the clock would have been opweated properly..