FB: Ohio Athletic Conference

Blutarsky · January 23, 2009, 09:47:08 AM

RC, thanks for the information. I had the opportunity to "tour" the plant as part of a County Leadership Class a few years ago. I was taken back by how simple the building is.....if you didn't know, it looked like a place you would take your mower to get ready for Spring. The folks there were incredibly nice, and it's amazing how many footballs are produced each year. If you're ever in Ada (yeah, I know), you need to see this place!

formerd3db · January 23, 2009, 03:03:04 PM

Yes thanks RC and also Blutarsky. I never knew that about the Wilson football plant at Ada (I must be some kind of idiot). That is very neat and the next time I get down near Ada, I will have to make the time to see the plant. Thanks again for sharing the info and my thanks also to those dedicated and hard-working employees of the company at the plant as you have mentioned.

formerd3db · January 23, 2009, 03:09:12 PM

BTW, Cedarville Univesity is "no slouch" of a basketball program (it is an NAIA scholarship program). I know someone who was on the team there for two years and it is a very tough team to make, even if one is recruited. Too bad they dropped their football program, however, as they have those T-shirts from other colleges/universities that dropped fb and that some of our posting colleagues have talked about recently on the boards relating to the effect... "Cedarville University Football...Undefeated since 1953"

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Also, the town is the "world capital" for the annual Cedarville Pumpkin Festival in October. I've never been to it but know people who have (and who had relatives who lived there) and it apparently is a huge event.

runyr · January 23, 2009, 09:39:35 PM

Speaking of basketball, this story is big news today. I'm posting link for those who might have missed story of girls basketball team in Texas who ran up 100-0 score. I heard the winners were still shooting 3-pointers after the half.
http://highschool.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=903780

skunks_sidekick · January 24, 2009, 10:39:26 AM

Non-OAC, but football related (somewhat) question/discussion......

I am planning my 7th graders "football camp summer", and wanted to get everyone/anyone's opinion on allowing him to attend a full-contact summer football camp?

He says the usual camps are boring due to no hitting, and he is all psyched about attending a full-contact camp. With all the dads, coaches, and former players out there that frequent this board, I thought I would be able to get some feedback as to your experiences, thoughts, etc...

As part of the consideration....he is a hitter!

Thanks for your input, and now back to the snow/freezing temperatures, and general crap that is Northeast Ohio in the winter. $:-\$

HScoach · January 24, 2009, 10:49:58 AM

s-s,

Just my 2 cents, but I'd really check the camp out to see what their practice schedule and drills are like. I've seen hitting drills that are just plain stupid and dangerous that offer no teaching benefit to how the game is and should be played. I don't see the benefit of playing a macho version of chicken with young kids.

If it's well controlled hitting and the contact is used to teach proper technique and form, then it should be fine.

seventiesraider · January 24, 2009, 11:09:09 AM

My thoughts are, who wants pads on in June/July and even the big guys work on skills and drills for weeks before they start hitting. Technique, form and conditioning gotta come first. Now for linemen that involves hitting something, but probably not each other. Raider2019 (read Kevin) loved LK/VK's camp last year, all be it that he's a WR and not that fond of hitting.

Of course I'm a guy that would never "practice" shooting in basketball practice. Fundementals first.

Of course I could be wrong

skunks_sidekick · January 24, 2009, 11:17:20 AM

http://www.o-d.com/

Here's the website to allegedly one of "the best". It seems they really focus on the fundamentals, and I am sure the kids have a great time getting to interact with the pros, and former pros that are there.

My son is one of those kids that thinks why keep "practicing" something if you don't get to apply it by actually playing the game. His work ethic isn't the greatest unless he is totally motivated.

Seventies - he will attend the MUC camp this year. He is excited about getting to be around MUC coaches and players.

Kira & Jaxon's Dad · January 24, 2009, 12:07:25 PM

My dad was a college FB coach growing up and I can remember attending camps starting at around age 10. Back then (70-80s) there wasn't any contact at camp. It was all about teaching proper techniques and fundamentals. They did a lot with form running, rotation of drills with each "team" graded on their enthusiasm. I have fond memories of attending camp, meeting other FB players, learning new skills and spending time with my dad for the entire week.

Now a days they have more contact camps. I would worry mainly about an injury that could hamper the season. If it were my son, I would probably not send him to a contact camp.

Just my two cents.

formerd3db · January 24, 2009, 12:40:20 PM

I agree with kirasdad, hscoach and seventies. However, I would just add, if I may, that if you and son decide to go ahead and have him attend this camp which includes "contact", I would suggest you make sure they have appropriate medical and athletic training coverage during all times of the camp. I would assume that from insurance purposes, that would be a requirement, however, you never know. Some of these camps attempt to put the responsibility entirely on the camp participants i.e. parent's own insurance liability, although again, I can't imagine that their own "corporate" ogranization wouldn't be required to carry some type of general insurance coverage to even have the camp.

If they do not have "on the field coverage" available, if it were me, I would not allow my son to attend, especially at that age. While we all know there is inherent risk at any camp regardless, the "7 on 7" and/or conditioning type of camps that we are all familiar with from our "own old playing days" as well as those of the current era are a completely different "story" in that aspect. Best wishes to your son as he continues his career. Just my $0.02 worth - thanks.

bushman · January 24, 2009, 01:19:38 PM

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reality check · January 24, 2009, 02:42:49 PM

Quote from: bushman on January 24, 2009, 01:19:38 PM
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Francis. And yeah he is an amazing story. I remember hearing about him for the first time as a ten or eleven year old and I couldn't get enough. I couldn't believe my Dad never told me about him sooner and was enthralled with finding out everything I could about his story for about 3 weeks (which is an eternity for a ten year old).

footballfan413 · January 25, 2009, 09:32:41 AM

Quote from: kirasdad on January 24, 2009, 12:07:25 PM
My dad was a college FB coach growing up and I can remember attending camps starting at around age 10. Back then (70-80s) there wasn't any contact at camp. It was all about teaching proper techniques and fundamentals. They did a lot with form running, rotation of drills with each "team" graded on their enthusiasm. I have fond memories of attending camp, meeting other FB players, learning new skills and spending time with my dad for the entire week.

Now a days they have more contact camps. I would worry mainly about an injury that could hamper the season. If it were my son, I would probably not send him to a contact camp.

Just my two cents.

Bingo. I know of a case at a summer camp where those in charge did not properly red-shirt a QB, (I couldn't believe it either,) and a LB took the opportunity to lay a big hit on the player and broke his arm. Lost the first month and a half of the season. If he were mine, I would tell him that camp is for learning and that the season should be exciting enough for him.

BuckeyeRaider · January 25, 2009, 11:10:42 AM

Quote from: seventiesraider on January 24, 2009, 11:09:09 AM
My thoughts are, who wants pads on in June/July and even the big guys work on skills and drills for weeks before they start hitting. Technique, form and conditioning gotta come first. Now for linemen that involves hitting something, but probably not each other. Raider2019 (read Kevin) loved LK/VK's camp last year, all be it that he's a WR and not that fond of hitting.

Of course I'm a guy that would never "practice" shooting in basketball practice. Fundementals first.

Of course I could be wrong

Form shooting in basketball is a fundamental so I'd still devote a fair amount of time to it. I'm appalled at the number of basketball players today that have terrible shooting form.

My son is the player he is because he had a coach early on in travel and AAU ball that insisted that the big men spent as much time on ball-handling drills as the guards. Now he's a 6'4" freshman in high school who has guard skills with the ball in his hands. Creates some serious matchup issues for opposing teams.

My belief is that dominant side skills will come naturally and that you should spend twice as much time developing the weaker side. Just my .02.

To the OP.

Best of luck to your son with the camps.

frank uible · January 25, 2009, 12:00:33 PM

For a rare type of kid hitting is the thing - the only thing. For that type it is not about competition as most people see it, it is not about camaraderie, it is not about recognition, it is not about winning - it is about hitting. To them hitting affirms their very existence. Of course if a coach has enough kids of this type, he will win - big time. If your kid is of this type, give him as many reasonable opportunities to hit as you can - he will love it.