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[Las Vegas Wildcards]

frank uible, and knightstalker -

Have to respectfully disagree with with your posts. While basic NFL titles are certainly admirable, and teams like the Bears and Browns should be proud of their history, those titles simply aren't as valuable as Super Bowl wins because of the increased level of competition. The huge success of the AFL, meant the talent, coaching and tactics were definitely advanced from pre-1960s pro football. Remember there were only 13 teams in the NFL prior to 1960. Also, racism was alive and well in the NFL, especially before the sixties, and the AFL was able to tap into that large pool of talent, especially the small black colleges.

kirasdad - I too, am a big D3 fan, and respect what Mount Union has done, but what the Steelers have done is more impressive. And with a 26 year old QB, whose career numbers are superior to John Elway at this point in his career, more titles should be on the way.     
     

[SaintsFAN]

Did the Steelers win 6 championships in 9 years or so?  I don't think so, more like 6 in 25 Years.

Try 10 Championships in the past 15 years.  The Steelers are NO Mount Union.

That, my friend, is proper prospective.

+K, Kirasdad..  I have to agree. 

Steelers fans should enjoy their win last night and get ready for next season.  But even a spot in the playoffs is not guaranteed.  Playoff berth for MUC is an annual event. 

Steel Curtain,

I'd say Frank Uible is ALOT more qualified to speak about the talent level (not my favorite kind of talent) in the NFL over the years, than the rest of us in here are.  He was a personel scout for many years. 

My perspective is that I'm also glad the Bengals passed on Ben Rothlisberger in the 2004 draft.  The Bengals have a legit franchise QB (drafted the year before), who when healthy can play within the framework of the offense and make plays.  He will be a difference-maker in 2009.   I'm not saying he's a not a good player, but Big Ben IMO can't perform to the level of Carson Palmer as far as completion % and putting the ball in places that allow the receivers to make plays... all without having to scramble.

Not to mention who has ever drafted franchise QBs in the 1st round in back-to-back years?

[Kira & Jaxon's Dad]

frank uible, and knightstalker -

Have to respectfully disagree with with your posts. While basic NFL titles are certainly admirable, and teams like the Bears and Browns should be proud of their history, those titles simply aren't as valuable as Super Bowl wins because of the increased level of competition. The huge success of the AFL, meant the talent, coaching and tactics were definitely advanced from pre-1960s pro football. Remember there were only 13 teams in the NFL prior to 1960. Also, racism was alive and well in the NFL, especially before the sixties, and the AFL was able to tap into that large pool of talent, especially the small black colleges.

kirasdad - I too, am a big D3 fan, and respect what Mount Union has done, but what the Steelers have done is more impressive. And with a 26 year old QB, whose career numbers are superior to John Elway at this point in his career, more titles should be on the way.     
     

Prior to this year, Kehres has a .925 winning percentage, and that includes the years prior to the 1993 championship.

Yes, the Steelers have done well to win 6 in their existence, but no, they are not the Mount Union of the NFL.  The NFL is set up such a way so no one franchise can win the way the Raiders have.

It is apples and oranges.

Now take your terrible towel and this discussion to an NFL chatroom.

[section13raiderfan]

Dont ya just love people who try to piss on others accomplishments? Would it be fair to say that in 20 years the athletes and the game itself may indeed be much different than today? Then its possible that others may claim, that the Steelers 6 titles didnt mean much, compared to the futures champions. Fact is...they were the best there was in that day of sports. Thats why they number the seasons and Super Bowls. All champions were worthy...still are. Gloat if you must. Why diss anybody else?

[Las Vegas Wildcards]

SaintsFan & section13raiderfan,

Hey, that Carson Palmer comment was pretty funny, CP has a ways to go before HE reaches Ben's level. Palmer may well finish with a higher career passer rating, but Ben will have many more rings and that's why you play the game! There's no way Palmer could have delivered like Ben last night behind a shaky oline.   
I agree future success is not guaranteed, but given the talent level, coaching, organization, along with the best defense the NFL has seen since the 2000 AND a proven track record since 1972, the Lombardi Trophy should be making a few more stops in the Steel City.
You also misunderstood my comment about the regular NFL titles. I'm not putting them down, but anyone with a fundamental understanding of the history of pro football knows the level of competition has increased in the Super Bowl era. Thus, Super Bowl titles ARE more valuable than pre-Super Bowl era NFL Titles.

[TooForRaider]

SaintsFan & section13raiderfan,

Hey, that Carson Palmer comment was pretty funny, CP has a ways to go before HE reaches Ben's level. Palmer may well finish with a higher career passer rating, but Ben will have many more rings and that's why you play the game! There's no way Palmer could have delivered like Ben last night behind a shaky oline.   
I agree future success is not guaranteed, but given the talent level, coaching, organization, along with the best defense the NFL has seen since the 2000 AND a proven track record since 1972, the Lombardi Trophy should be making a few more stops in the Steel City.
You also misunderstood my comment about the regular NFL titles. I'm not putting them down, but anyone with a fundamental understanding of the history of pro football knows the level of competition has increased in the Super Bowl era. Thus, Super Bowl titles ARE more valuable than pre-Super Bowl era NFL Titles.

While I was rooting for the Steelers yesterday, guys like this are the reason Steelers fans are hated so much.  6 titles in 40 or so years is not even close to what MUC has done.  Same arguments stand for your "superior competition" argument.  Talent has grown in D3 as well. the Steelers are obviously an amazing team.  So, go put on your black leather jacket with your black jeans and comb the mullet. 

[Las Vegas Wildcards]

TooForRaider,

   Obviously, it's MUCH tougher to win titles at the NFL level than D3, let's be serious! So yes, comparing the Steelers Super Bowl era dynastic run with Mount Union's run is very realistic, and I do admire the Raiders. If winning Super Bowls were so easy, why does the Steelers output equaled that of the entire AFC South, NFC South, and NFC North? In fact, only the 11 SB output of the NFC East exceed what the Steelers have done.
   Look, I know the Ohio NFL fan is pretty frustrated right now, but let's have intelligent dialogue, instead of petty insults.   

[TooForRaider]

Dynastic run? And you're asking about intelligent dialogue?

[BuckeyeRaider]

Good ol Coop   He had on his team an all American receiver, who,s name escapes me, with a 0.0 grade average. What a guy!   OSU kept him for 11 years. 

I believe you are talking about Reggie Germany.  BTW, he was not as All-American but he did have the infamous 0.0 GPA.

I'd agree with hscoach's Tressel assessment.  I'm hoping the increase in recruiting talent over the past couple of years will allow him to win his way again because I think we all know that he won't change his ways.  I'd love to see a top level OC at Ohio State once again along with a defensive mind like D'Antonio who knew how to attack weaknesses on D.

[Las Vegas Wildcards]

TooForRaider,

Dude, are you like 19 years old or something! You sound too young to remember the Steelers unequaled run of 4 Super Bowls in six years, including back to back TWICE. Now, with two titles over the last four years. That's Six, which surpasses both Dallas and San Francisco. So yes, that's very much a Mount Union-type run in the NFL. This current championship team should actually improve with age, given the young talent on the roster.

     

[TooForRaider]

TooForRaider,

Dude, are you like 19 years old or something! You sound too young to remember the Steelers unequaled run of 4 Super Bowls in six years, including back to back TWICE. Now, with two titles over the last four years. That's Six, which surpasses both Dallas and San Francisco. So yes, that's very much a Mount Union-type run in the NFL. This current championship team should actually improve with age, given the young talent on the roster.

     

DUDE! 6 titles in 40 years is not a "dynastic run."  There's no use in arguing with you if you think that's true. I never said 6 titles isn't impressive. I even said I was rooting for them yesterday.  But, ridiculous and ignorant claims like yours don't even warrant a response anymore. DUDE

[Mr. Ypsi]

TooForRaider,

   Obviously, it's MUCH tougher to win titles at the NFL level than D3, let's be serious! So yes, comparing the Steelers Super Bowl era dynastic run with Mount Union's run is very realistic, and I do admire the Raiders. If winning Super Bowls were so easy, why does the Steelers output equaled that of the entire AFC South, NFC South, and NFC North? In fact, only the 11 SB output of the NFC East exceed what the Steelers have done.
   Look, I know the Ohio NFL fan is pretty frustrated right now, but let's have intelligent dialogue, instead of petty insults.   

Um, you compete with who you compete against. Someone will win the Super Bowl and the Stagg Bowl each year.  There are 4 times as many teams competing against the Mount as against the Steelers.  Pittsburgh has 6 titles in 35 (?) years; MUC has 10 titles in 16 (?) years.

While the Steelers would probably ( ) beat the Raiders, the degree of achievement is in no way comparable.  Offhand, the ONLY streaks I can think of comparable to what the Raiders have done would be Kenyon swimming (even LK must be jealous of THAT one!), UNC women's soccer, UCLA men's basketball in the Wooden era, and the Yankees from 1949-63.  (Edit: oops!  Better add the Bill Russell Celtics to that list.)

[Las Vegas Wildcards]

Mr. Ypsi,

  I'm not sure the amount of teams completing for the title in college is a valid comparison with the NFL, so that really doesn't sway me. If you look at it objectively, it could be argued the NFL is the most competitive pro league around, since all 32 teams have a fair shot at the title. So yes, for one club to hold the all-time record for Super Bowl World titles is very Mount Union-like.
  Regarding streak talk, there is another record which dwarfs the second runner-up, it actually dates back to 1956, making it the oldest such streak in the history of college football. One final clue: one of their recent QBs still holds the all divisions season TD record.   

[SaintsFAN]

SaintsFan & section13raiderfan,

Hey, that Carson Palmer comment was pretty funny, CP has a ways to go before HE reaches Ben's level. Palmer may well finish with a higher career passer rating, but Ben will have many more rings and that's why you play the game! There's no way Palmer could have delivered like Ben last night behind a shaky oline.   
I agree future success is not guaranteed, but given the talent level, coaching, organization, along with the best defense the NFL has seen since the 2000 AND a proven track record since 1972, the Lombardi Trophy should be making a few more stops in the Steel City.
You also misunderstood my comment about the regular NFL titles. I'm not putting them down, but anyone with a fundamental understanding of the history of pro football knows the level of competition has increased in the Super Bowl era. Thus, Super Bowl titles ARE more valuable than pre-Super Bowl era NFL Titles.

a couple points.. 
**You're right... its going to take time before CP gets to Ben's level... of Super Bowl rings..and thats only because he plays for the Bengals.
*18 of the 32 starting QB's in the NFL in 2008 could've done what Ben R did last night and yes Carson Palmer is one of them.  Why..  given the talent level, coaching, organization, along with the best defense the NFL has seen since the 2000 (your words, not mine... though it makes a great point)
*Carson Palmer has better mechanics than Ben does and throws a consistently better ball.
*Palmer makes plays within the framework of the offense... Ben scrambles to get guys open.. excellent sandlot mindset...but give me Palmer who can make PLAYS from the pocket.. without having to try and run around.


Agree to disagree... but I'm not a huge Bengals fan.  I just happen to look at this objectively and I know a franchise QB when I see one.   Though you do remind me of my ex-girlfriend's redneck older half-brother with leather Steeler's coat... who wanted to fight anyone that didn't share his view of all things NFL through his Steelers colored glasses.

Though I did take advantage of an opportunity once and punched him in the nose.  Where I'm from, thats how we deal with Steelers fans.  You are showing why by coming into the OAC room and trying to p!ss on Mount Union's run.  Garbage.. either stick around and be civil (and don't talk NFL) or leave and don't come back.

Either way, I could care less. 

Goodnight.

[reality check]

All this is proof that Steelers fans have a reputation for a reason and all this is further evidence to that reputation's validity.  The Steeler fan gene pool clearly can be waded through from end to end.

It would be great if we could avoid all this talk of the Stillers and it would be wonderful if yunz' could just stick to OAC football or take your over-zealous fan-dom elsewhere. 

Comparing the Steelers to Mount Union is like comparing apples to retarded oranges waving yellow hankies around in the air.