FB: Ohio Athletic Conference

[Raider 68]

On the OSU note: The Buckeyes needed a Krenzel type QB that last 2 games. He was not pretty, he did not have eye popping stats. He only did one thing well: he did not make mistakes. He managed the game, ate the clock, and did not cost the team a game. Pryor might have all the talent in the world - but it does not show. He looks confused under pressure, and lost when there is no pressure ( a delay of game AT HOME!!). He always looks to run - even when he isn't flushed - and then doesn't run but floats one down field. Watch his feet - terrible mechnics. Feet are always moving, throws off his back foot, throws back across the field - all the stuff a junior high coach tells a kid not to do. He was advertised as a Tebow (I hate Tebow) but he doesn't run and apparently can't pass. Don't know what that equals - but anywhere else that would equal a "clipboard holder".

And thats all I have to say about that.

Another of example of a QB with not the best of skills or stats, but at the end of the day his team won alot of games. Does the name Brian Sipe ring a bell? I know that is at the pro level but the point is the same.

The same can be true for Kurt Rocco, if he can lead the Raiders to the Stagg
Bowl.

Simply

- Lead
- Play without mistakes
- Control the tempo
- Win

[raiderguy]

Well we have Matt Campbell and Jason Candle both on the offensive side of the ball this week at Toledo. Maybe they can make an impression to become the next O coordinator at the Big O. That would be a nice step for either of them. They have both served as O coordinator on the most prolific O in D3 so they would only have bigger & faster players to run that same style O.

[Blutarsky]

On the OSU note: The Buckeyes needed a Krenzel type QB that last 2 games. He was not pretty, he did not have eye popping stats. He only did one thing well: he did not make mistakes. He managed the game, ate the clock, and did not cost the team a game. Pryor might have all the talent in the world - but it does not show. He looks confused under pressure, and lost when there is no pressure ( a delay of game AT HOME!!). He always looks to run - even when he isn't flushed - and then doesn't run but floats one down field. Watch his feet - terrible mechnics. Feet are always moving, throws off his back foot, throws back across the field - all the stuff a junior high coach tells a kid not to do. He was advertised as a Tebow (I hate Tebow) but he doesn't run and apparently can't pass. Don't know what that equals - but anywhere else that would equal a "clipboard holder".

And thats all I have to say about that.

Another of example of a QB with not the best of skills or stats, but at the end of the day his team won alot of games. Does the name Brian Sipe ring a bell? I know that is at the pro level but the point is the same.

The same can be true for Kurt Rocco, if he can lead the Raiders to the Stagg
Bowl.

Simply

- Lead
- Play without mistakes
- Control the tempo
- Win

For some reason, the moniker "game manager" has become negative.....he isn' athletic, doesn't make big plays, isn't flashy.  However, in the cases previously mentioned, all they do is WIN.  In some instances (see Krenzel) he was a facilitator of others and put them in positions to make plays.  Give me a player (especially a QB) who doesn't make mistakes, knows his limitations (and the game plan), and is respected in the huddle.

[Toph]

I think this "Tressel must go" talk is a symptom of a larger problem in "major" college football.  Tressel is 84-20, 52-12 in conference, 5 Big Ten titles (4 straight), 1 national title and that's not good enough?  He and Pete Carroll have the same number of national titles in the 2000s, but I don't hear anyone calling for Pete Carroll's head.  The fans and perhaps more importantly the athletic directors of these supposed football "powerhouses" need to realize that only one team per year is going to win a national title.  What kind of a backward universe are we living in that someone can suggest that a coach who has four consecutive Big Ten titles needs to be fired two games into a season and said critic isn't laughed off the board?  His career winning percentage is over 80%, he dominates Michigan, he recruits well, his kids seem to keep their noses relatively clean...what more do you want?

All that, and I'm not even a Buckeye fan.

And to relate it back to D3...the only team that can realistically expect to win the national title every year is Mount Union.    

[TooForRaider]

Not a Buckeye fan either. I like Pete Carroll because he hasn't gotten blown out in any national title games and his team is exciting to watch. Basically, he has balls.    If OSU wins out they should have an excellent shot at the BCS title game again. At the very least I'm sure they make it into a BCS game. 

[Dr. Acula]

I'm not an X's and O's guy, but one of my friends who is forwarded me this and he thought it was interesting so I'll pass it along...

Deconstructing the Grisly Demise of Tressel Ball

[Knightstalker]

On the OSU note: The Buckeyes needed a Krenzel type QB that last 2 games. He was not pretty, he did not have eye popping stats. He only did one thing well: he did not make mistakes. He managed the game, ate the clock, and did not cost the team a game. Pryor might have all the talent in the world - but it does not show. He looks confused under pressure, and lost when there is no pressure ( a delay of game AT HOME!!). He always looks to run - even when he isn't flushed - and then doesn't run but floats one down field. Watch his feet - terrible mechnics. Feet are always moving, throws off his back foot, throws back across the field - all the stuff a junior high coach tells a kid not to do. He was advertised as a Tebow (I hate Tebow) but he doesn't run and apparently can't pass. Don't know what that equals - but anywhere else that would equal a "clipboard holder".

And thats all I have to say about that.

Another of example of a QB with not the best of skills or stats, but at the end of the day his team won alot of games. Does the name Brian Sipe ring a bell? I know that is at the pro level but the point is the same.

The same can be true for Kurt Rocco, if he can lead the Raiders to the Stagg
Bowl.

Simply

- Lead
- Play without mistakes
- Control the tempo
- Win

For some reason, the moniker "game manager" has become negative.....he isn' athletic, doesn't make big plays, isn't flashy.  However, in the cases previously mentioned, all they do is WIN.  In some instances (see Krenzel) he was a facilitator of others and put them in positions to make plays.  Give me a player (especially a QB) who doesn't make mistakes, knows his limitations (and the game plan), and is respected in the huddle.

There are many pretty good NFL QB's that would be labeled game managers now.  Bob Griese, Joe Thiesman, James Harris, Lenny Dawson, Bart Starr, Jack Kemp, Joe Fergueson, Steve Grogan to name a few.  All of them could and did light it up throwing the ball at times but all played for coaches that would rather run the ball 90% of the time.

I think that the OSU USC game also showed that Ohio State is catching up or seems to be catching up to the Pac 10 and SEC in team speed.

[section13raiderfan]

I love Ohio State football and admire Tressel......however, when he does his Bill Bellichek imitation and play to not lose, instead of turning up the heat...then I have to fault him. USC had way too much time to come back for OSU play protect the lead. As if that lead was too big to overcome! We had them in a bad situation and we pulled in the claws and made them look like world beaters. Never give a sucker an even break, even in football. Especially in football! The coaches are supposed to give OUR players the best chance to win....not theirs. Oh, Oh, Ohooooooooo! not again!

How bout them Browns?  Same old Sh.... Different season.

Go Raiders!

[wesleydad]

hey skunks sidekick, how is it going?  i too wish that wesley and mount would hook up for a home and home sometime down the line.  the boy is doing fine, hoping to finish up in december and stop spending all my money .  he is doing his sports management internship at a golf course so he is in heaven.  thanks for asking.

Wesley has surprised me so far this year on defense.  They replaced the entire lb crop and have not missed a beat.  They may be even better because they are much faster than they were last year.  On offense I find it ironic that all of a sudden they are throwing the ball downfield more and the QB's pass rating is dropping like the receivers do his passes.  As we talked last year, Jason was replaced cause he didn't throw the 5 - 10 yard pass as well.  Seems that it doen's matter who you are when the passes are 20 yards downfield the completion rate drops.  McSweeney is under 50% so far this year after being second in the nation in QB ratings last year.


Good luck this year and maybe we will see you in the playoffs.  I will stay in touch, lokking at making the trip again this year if i can swing it.

[TooForRaider]

I'm not an X's and O's guy, but one of my friends who is forwarded me this and he thought it was interesting so I'll pass it along...

Deconstructing the Grisly Demise of Tressel Ball

GREAT read. Thank you very much.

[Desertraider]

I realize I previously stated "nuff said", however I just watched the last 5 minutes of the Patriots game and it came to me: champions find a way. Tom Brady led 2 scoring drives in the last 3 minutes or so of the game and the Pats came back to win. It reminded me of the 2005 Stagg. UWW was close and getting stronger but the Raiders, led by Mike Jorris, ate up 5 minutes and change of the clock on a 12 play drive and put it away. Champions come through and find a way to win.

Terrell Pryor and the Buckeyes had their chance to be champions - and they failed the test. They needed a long drive - not necessarily a score but at the very least they needed to eat clock and move the ball - they failed and USC showed why they are champions by seizing the opportunity. I don't think the 2 drives previously stated killed OSU. One of those drives (the interception) was way too early to lose a game because champions overcome. Mount has overcome slow starts in a couple of Staggs and come through in the end. What killed OSU was the drive (if "drive" is even the right word) before USC scored. They could not control the ball and the clock when it counted. Tht is a lack of discipline and mental toughness more than anything else.

[raiderpa]

MOUNT JV'S beat JCU 28-21 on Sunday, and led Ashland 13-0 at half tonight.....

[reality check]

Garcon may see a lot more action with Anthony Gonzalez's injury.  I'm not saying I like Gonzo getting hurt but this certainly means Pierre gets more targets.

[PurpleSuit]

Garcon may see a lot more action with Anthony Gonzalez's injury.  I'm not saying I like Gonzo getting hurt but this certainly means Pierre gets more targets.

wait, how does this involve Jim Tressel or Terrelle Pryor?

[Wideout]

Who is the QB on Mounts JV team?
Are they trying different guys at QB?