FB: Ohio Athletic Conference

[drt]

The JVs are split into two squads.  Sunday they used 2 QBs, three TB's and several WRs, one of whom (#11) consistently got open, made good catches and ran well with the ball.  I don't have any names, and the numbers are an arbitrary thing for the freshmen at this point, as I understand it.

[Raider 68]

Garcon may see a lot more action with Anthony Gonzalez's injury.  I'm not saying I like Gonzo getting hurt but this certainly means Pierre gets more targets.

wait, how does this involve Jim Tressel or Terrelle Pryor?

According to the Indy Star article today Reggie Wayne is the only deep threat on the roster. Pierre Garcon can go deep if his number is called.
This will be a good opportunity for him, hope he takes advantage of it.

[Kira & Jaxon's Dad]

Garcon may see a lot more action with Anthony Gonzalez's injury.  I'm not saying I like Gonzo getting hurt but this certainly means Pierre gets more targets.

wait, how does this involve Jim Tressel or Terrelle Pryor?

According to the Indy Star article today Reggie Wayne is the only deep threat on the roster. Pierre Garcon can go deep if his number is called.
This will be a good opportunity for him, hope he takes advantage of it.

Indianapolis Star

Quote from Manning in the Article:

Manning added he liked what he saw from Garcon and Collie, how each responded to the moment and the look each had in his eye in the opener.

Normally quiet, Garcon was quick to share information. Manning said the second-year receiver told him, 'Hey, here's what (cornerback Rashean Mathis) is doing. Here's what I can do.' I like that type of feedback.

[raiderguy]

I think this "Tressel must go" talk is a symptom of a larger problem in "major" college football.  Tressel is 84-20, 52-12 in conference, 5 Big Ten titles (4 straight), 1 national title and that's not good enough?  He and Pete Carroll have the same number of national titles in the 2000s, but I don't hear anyone calling for Pete Carroll's head.  The fans and perhaps more importantly the athletic directors of these supposed football "powerhouses" need to realize that only one team per year is going to win a national title.  What kind of a backward universe are we living in that someone can suggest that a coach who has four consecutive Big Ten titles needs to be fired two games into a season and said critic isn't laughed off the board?  His career winning percentage is over 80%, he dominates Michigan, he recruits well, his kids seem to keep their noses relatively clean...what more do you want?

All that, and I'm not even a Buckeye fan.

And to relate it back to D3...the only team that can realistically expect to win the national title every year is Mount Union.    

I am a huge Buckeye fan.....I know I know, you can feel my pain. But I do not subscribe to the Tressel must go theory.....more like Tressel must "GROW". True he recruits some of the best talent in the country (oops who else used to do that, Cooper) but let's those skills seem to die on the vine. Pryor is supposed to be driving a Ferrari, instead he is driving a bus on a freeway full of Ferraris. There is no reason in this God's green earth a freshman QB should lead his team on a game winning drive in the last two minutes in your house in front of 106,000 fans screaming their lungs out! They must have been screaming OH NO, NOT AGAIN!   Can anyone say TEXAS? I am not putting my opinion of this loss on the defense either. They should not have even been in a position to need to stop USC on the final drive as was stated in the write-up up provided earlier. Pardon the pun No ofFENce, No OFFense. Pryor is supposed to create problems for the defense not participate in it 

JT needs to send some of his coaches (or hire one who has) to an LK seminar on how to run a system from what you have on the sidelines not fit a player to what system you want to run. Hasn't he ever heard the phrase when given lemons make orange juice?  OH maybe he has heard that one. If you are going to run the spread then for crying out loud run it if you have the kids to do it! But don't give them the three yards and a cloud of rubber playbook!

Just my humble opinion.

Anyway.....

Go Raiders melt the Polar Bears! There put that on your bulletin board RC.

[jaypeter]

A question that has nothing to do with the current threads on here, and one that may well have been asked in the past.  I just don't remember the conversation.

Has the OAC ever considered moving up the start of conference play by one week and giving everyone a bye week somewhere in the middle of the season?  or even just before playoff time?  I can see the benefit of having the bye in week 2 since it offers some flexibility for scheduling the one out of conference game, and also gives an extra week to rest up after what may sometimes be a long commute to an away game farther away than normal. 

But I can also see some benefit to having a late season bye week, particularly in those years that the OAC has two playoff teams in the mix.  At week 6 or 7, a lot teams are a little banged up and having a chance to rest some key players for a week may help late in the season.  It would even give one team a year a chance to really game plan more specifically for Mount Union and maybe offer the occasional upset or at least give Mount Union some fits in trying to adjust the game plan.

Really, this is more of a curiosity on my part, and may be better for an off-season topic when we need something to keep us going.  At any rate...thoughts?

[TooForRaider]

I'm guessing it is a league-wide decision.  Good point though-it would give teams some time to rest up or plan ahead for more difficult teams on the schedule. 

[Raider 68]

A question that has nothing to do with the current threads on here, and one that may well have been asked in the past.  I just don't remember the conversation.

Has the OAC ever considered moving up the start of conference play by one week and giving everyone a bye week somewhere in the middle of the season?  or even just before playoff time?  I can see the benefit of having the bye in week 2 since it offers some flexibility for scheduling the one out of conference game, and also gives an extra week to rest up after what may sometimes be a long commute to an away game farther away than normal. 

But I can also see some benefit to having a late season bye week, particularly in those years that the OAC has two playoff teams in the mix.  At week 6 or 7, a lot teams are a little banged up and having a chance to rest some key players for a week may help late in the season.  It would even give one team a year a chance to really game plan more specifically for Mount Union and maybe offer the occasional upset or at least give Mount Union some fits in trying to adjust the game plan.

Really, this is more of a curiosity on my part, and may be better for an off-season topic when we need something to keep us going.  At any rate...thoughts?

Jaypeter

I think you raise some good points. I never did understand the benefit
if there is one to having a bye after the season opener. The team has
training camp, then the first game and now (wait) take a week off.

There is no break from the last season to the first playoff game, which
does not allow any time to heal or prepare. I am not sure if another week would result in an upset of the Raiders for instance, but it certainly be more logical than the early season.

In D3 there are conferences such as the Northwest (Linfield) that only play nine games. Scheduling notwithstanding, that makes the season somewhat
than fair.

Not sure what the OAC position is on this other than the bye week always
seems to be upfront. Maybe is the all the schools in OAC have some
academic reasons for it.

[SaintsFAN]

I think this "Tressel must go" talk is a symptom of a larger problem in "major" college football.  Tressel is 84-20, 52-12 in conference, 5 Big Ten titles (4 straight), 1 national title and that's not good enough?  He and Pete Carroll have the same number of national titles in the 2000s, but I don't hear anyone calling for Pete Carroll's head.  The fans and perhaps more importantly the athletic directors of these supposed football "powerhouses" need to realize that only one team per year is going to win a national title.  What kind of a backward universe are we living in that someone can suggest that a coach who has four consecutive Big Ten titles needs to be fired two games into a season and said critic isn't laughed off the board?  His career winning percentage is over 80%, he dominates Michigan, he recruits well, his kids seem to keep their noses relatively clean...what more do you want?

All that, and I'm not even a Buckeye fan.

And to relate it back to D3...the only team that can realistically expect to win the national title every year is Mount Union.    

I am a huge Buckeye fan.....I know I know, you can feel my pain. But I do not subscribe to the Tressel must go theory.....more like Tressel must "GROW". True he recruits some of the best talent in the country (oops who else used to do that, Cooper) but let's those skills seem to die on the vine. Pryor is supposed to be driving a Ferrari, instead he is driving a bus on a freeway full of Ferraris. There is no reason in this God's green earth a freshman QB should lead his team on a game winning drive in the last two minutes in your house in front of 106,000 fans screaming their lungs out! They must have been screaming OH NO, NOT AGAIN!   Can anyone say TEXAS? I am not putting my opinion of this loss on the defense either. They should not have even been in a position to need to stop USC on the final drive as was stated in the write-up up provided earlier. Pardon the pun No ofFENce, No OFFense. Pryor is supposed to create problems for the defense not participate in it 

JT needs to send some of his coaches (or hire one who has) to an LK seminar on how to run a system from what you have on the sidelines not fit a player to what system you want to run. Hasn't he ever heard the phrase when given lemons make orange juice?  OH maybe he has heard that one. If you are going to run the spread then for crying out loud run it if you have the kids to do it! But don't give them the three yards and a cloud of rubber playbook!

Just my humble opinion.

Anyway.....

Go Raiders melt the Polar Bears! There put that on your bulletin board RC.

I agree to a certain extent... BUT, you cannot argue that Pryor has progressed in the 15 months or whatever that he has been on campus.  The kid has terrible mechanics as a QB.  He needs to be coached in order to improve his mechanics.  This has obviously NOT happened.  I don't think Tressel needs to go, but some of his coaches (who he is very loyal to) do need to be shown the door.  He also needs to be stripped of his play-calling duties. 

So the answer isn't to fire him, but force him to make changes in his staff which allow him to update the offense to what is being run today.  In the article referenced below, they talked about what was done offensively on Saturday.  Most of it is ABC... in 1999, my last season playing QB under Dean Paul ----- we had an automatic check if the slot receiver wasn't covered... it was between the QB and WR.. this didn't happen alot, but when it did it was an easy completion of at least 7 yards.  I couldn't believe Ohio State doesn't take advantage of this... better yet, they had to have seen it in the press box... why was an adjustment NOT made on Saturday night???  That would've forced USC to remove guys from the box, and who knows what happens had OSU actually been blocking each guy in the box. 

He needs to bring in an outsider to coordinate the offense, adapt the coaching philosophy of that coach he brings in, and stay out of the offensive gameplanning and playcalling.   If he doesn't, Ohio State will be looking for a new coach within the next two calendar years.... for someone who is willing to do those three things. 

onto Division 3 football... MUC at ONU  ---- i hope this turns out to be a great test for Mount Union, so they don't go into the playoffs without being tested.  LK needs to see Rocco and the RB's performance when they face some adversity.... then he'll know who he can count on when they play a Mary-Hardin Baylor or Whitewater. 

[SaintsFAN]

According to the Indy Star article today Reggie Wayne is the only deep threat on the roster. Pierre Garcon can go deep if his number is called.
This will be a good opportunity for him, hope he takes advantage of it.

much of what ANY athlete does in college, has to be proven on the field in the NFL.  Simply saying bc Garcon could go deep while at MUC means he can do the same things in the NFL is not necessarily true... 

Look at some of the division 1 athletes at WR, who've become possession receivers in "the League"....  thats why there is such a premium put on WR's in the NFL who actually ARE deep threats.

Reggie Wayne is the only WR on the Colts who can stretch the field like that... consistently

[TooForRaider]

According to the Indy Star article today Reggie Wayne is the only deep threat on the roster. Pierre Garcon can go deep if his number is called.
This will be a good opportunity for him, hope he takes advantage of it.

much of what ANY athlete does in college, has to be proven on the field in the NFL.  Simply saying bc Garcon could go deep while at MUC means he can do the same things in the NFL is not necessarily true... 

Look at some of the division 1 athletes at WR, who've become possession receivers in "the League"....  thats why there is such a premium put on WR's in the NFL who actually ARE deep threats.

Reggie Wayne is the only WR on the Colts who can stretch the field like that... consistently

Let's hope that Pierre can make the most of this. Should be pretty cool for him to be playing Miami.

[Raider 68]

According to the Indy Star article today Reggie Wayne is the only deep threat on the roster. Pierre Garcon can go deep if his number is called.
This will be a good opportunity for him, hope he takes advantage of it.

much of what ANY athlete does in college, has to be proven on the field in the NFL.  Simply saying bc Garcon could go deep while at MUC means he can do the same things in the NFL is not necessarily true... 

Look at some of the division 1 athletes at WR, who've become possession receivers in "the League"....  thats why there is such a premium put on WR's in the NFL who actually ARE deep threats.

Reggie Wayne is the only WR on the Colts who can stretch the field like that... consistently

I agree that what a receiver did in college does not mean he can do it in the pros. Reggie Wayne has also spent 6-7 years in the NFL.

Pierre Garcon according to the Indy coaches possesses the ability to stretch
the defense more than Austin Collie. Let's see if he has the chance to do just that as he gains the experience.

[SaintsFAN]

According to the Indy Star article today Reggie Wayne is the only deep threat on the roster. Pierre Garcon can go deep if his number is called.
This will be a good opportunity for him, hope he takes advantage of it.

much of what ANY athlete does in college, has to be proven on the field in the NFL.  Simply saying bc Garcon could go deep while at MUC means he can do the same things in the NFL is not necessarily true...  

Look at some of the division 1 athletes at WR, who've become possession receivers in "the League"....  thats why there is such a premium put on WR's in the NFL who actually ARE deep threats.

Reggie Wayne is the only WR on the Colts who can stretch the field like that... consistently

Let's hope that Pierre can make the most of this. Should be pretty cool for him to be playing Miami.

exactly.... not many D3'ers get the chance he is getting... and to be able to do it in his hometown??  Bonus.  

I'm not upset that he isn't the deep threat he was at MUC... he can make a nice living by doing what he has been doing.  If Peyton trusts him enough to hear what adjustments he is making out there, then thats all to the good.  

Reggie Wayne has also spent 6-7 years in the NFL.

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[reality check]

TooForRaider

Yeah I did get your message sorry.  Let's hope he comes up big two or three times Saturday!!!

[Raider 68]

According to the Indy Star article today Reggie Wayne is the only deep threat on the roster. Pierre Garcon can go deep if his number is called.
This will be a good opportunity for him, hope he takes advantage of it.

much of what ANY athlete does in college, has to be proven on the field in the NFL.  Simply saying bc Garcon could go deep while at MUC means he can do the same things in the NFL is not necessarily true... 

Look at some of the division 1 athletes at WR, who've become possession receivers in "the League"....  thats why there is such a premium put on WR's in the NFL who actually ARE deep threats.

Reggie Wayne is the only WR on the Colts who can stretch the field like that... consistently

I agree that what a receiver did in college does not mean he can do it in the pros. Reggie Wayne has also spent 6-7 years in the NFL.

Pierre Garcon according to the Indy coaches possesses the ability to stretch
the defense more than Austin Collie. Let's see if he has the chance to do just that as he gains the experience.

The actual number of years for Reggie Wayne in the NFL is 9.

[raiderguy]

One advantage I see to the OAC Scheduling is they come into camp on the earliest date possible and have a bye week to adjust after having live games. It's like getting an extra week of practice every year.

Raiders loose that cushion the next two years to play UW Oshkosh since they play in week 2 both years. It delays their camp by a week and they loose the bye altogether. Ya gotta do what ya gotta do to get someone to play you.